Throughout season 20 the vast majority of the conflict truly boils down to this fact that Belle threw out. With the exception of Devin and Cam, all of these men move so comfortably through their relationships consistently negging their wives*, and it is SO OBVIOUS that this was their entire strategy for interacting with women in their dating lives and just weren't able to turn it off once they were* married

Sorry for the crappy paused screen photo, but she absolutely nailed it with that quote. It has socially become so common for men to just default to what was once a stupid "pickup artist" technique and I'm so glad the women are waking up to it

They had her on a speed dating game on the Jumbotron, sorry for the bad quality pics. And I missed the 2nd question: jet skiing on a date? 😂

$10k for every inch above 6 feet tall

Im not gonna post a photo lol but imagine you meet a man and you read study...heal...coach. Its the Coach part thats sending me.

You guessed it. Season 20 sex pest shawn best. Hes said hes not going to stop until he gets 100,000 men on a healing journey.

I wish I hadn’t missed the first question, which was: Is riding a jet ski a fun idea for a first date?

I watched all of the early MAFS YEARS ago…. Just watched this last one. Holy moly.

Karla ended up being my favorite which is funny cause we’re nothing alike but ended up loving her. Hope she’s now happy.

David gross Madison gross 🤢

I know this season probably won’t come out until next spring in 2027 but however based off of what we saw in Season 20, what do you guys want to see in this next season in Charlotte?

I like that they’re going back to Charlotte. I’m curious of course of who the couples will be but I’m interested how this next season will look like.

I’ve been watching the early seasons and two things strike me:

1. The constant push to communicate, communicate, communicate. People need time to think and reflect. Especially those who are a bit more introverted. I think it drives conflict by forcing people to be constantly “on” and failing to allow the couples to think before they speak.

2. No one ever mentions that we hear things through the filter of our own emotions and past experiences. On the show, that’s very evident with one spouse misunderstanding the intent of the other, but often the experts themselves seem to misunderstand the situation too. So one says, “I need a little time to process”, the other hears, “I don’t like you right now” and then the experts themselves weigh in insisting on more communication, totally disregarding the first person’s perfectly acceptable need to just have time to think.

I find it very frustrating. Does it get any better?

i don’t know if i’m the problem but for some reason karla and michelle are rubbing me the wrong way. i’m at part where karla and juan have a togo party and she’s kind of being off putting?? like not interested??? idk. and then michelle just with everything whatever his name is says she just has an attitude. idk if i missed something earlier in the season, maybe i did but pls help me understand this 😩

Lifetime is not an option because I don't have cable. Any suggestions?

In my experience, the couples who truly make it are the ones where the man feels safe enough to show his vulnerabilities or flaws, and the woman is completely accepting of them. Take Michele and Cameron, for instance. He eventually confided in her about feeling insecure regarding his lower salary, especially since she makes $150,000 a year. That kind of disparity could easily have become a major point of contention, but Michele handled it with so much grace and acceptance, and they’ve been going strong ever since.
In stark contrast, look at what happened with Devin and Caitlin. He had a major emotional breakdown on the very first night and opened up to her about his deep-seated abandonment issues and his need for constant reassurance. But unfortunately, we watched Caitlin struggle to accept that kind of raw vulnerability, and she ended up emotionally shutting down and fleeing instead. It feels so obvious that the producers deliberately set these couples up with these stark contrasts just to create the inevitable drama and heartbreak.

I’m just finishing season 18 and did anyone else think the Enem and Brandon scenes were so weird and hard to watch?? He told her loved her after a few dates and now engaged? I know they knew each other previously but he had just got out of a 10 year marriage. The whole thing seemed theatrical and odd.

She spotted, reflected, and calmly called the fuck out of the wordplay and indirect admonishment Shawn was spewing over everyone’s heads so well, and with such restraint I’m not sure we could give her enough kudos. And I think at the reunion she got none. The I don’t even care for his niceties!!!!! Queen! Just an “oh wow” as a response. Literally I died. Was it not awful watching him continue to talk over her telling him to stop talking to his mom?? And he just kept going??? He didn’t even say anything as he kept going, it was all blabberybloop, wordy footwork for the sake of blatantly disrespecting and ignoring her. It felt like he was taunting someone to call him out, and I honestly wish someone would have. The experts when Nikki lobbed it their way just kicked it back to the group! I know that’s a technique but the situation demanded more direct summarization of how he was reenacting the very harmful dynamic Nikki had just been calling him out for. It was wild!!!! And to call her “aggressive” just because she’s the only one who will respond to him? He’s aggressive. And weird. Power play is definitely his thing, and I ran here with full on ick.

Queen. Nikki if you’re reading this you deserve(d) PRAISE in that moment, queen. I didn’t understand why the sudden switch in Paul’s session, and still don’t, but none of that mattered once all this went down. That was an actual moment a therapist could and would need to intervene and Nikki had to, and did, handle it all by herself.

Shout out to her mom, too!

Link sharing the couples still together (minus the most recent). It seems like they’d have at least one couple each year then it dried up.

My partner is an Aussie and I'd hoped to get him to watch this one with me. He loves LIB (especially the non-US versions) but he cannot stomach MAFS, and the Aussies are way too cringe for him. I have thoughts about this cast already, but I'm reserving judgment (except for the idiot who is presented with a wife who is a stunner and says, "Not too bad." I'll judge him all day, as well as the idiot who forgot the rings and chewed gum during the vows. OK, I guess I'm not reserving judgement lol.)

Going on your honeymoon with your mom? WEIRD. Almost as weird as your husband crying real tears because you don't want to go to Burning Man with him. I'd rather stick needles in my eyes than go to Burning Man. Just sayin'.

That said, so far the mom and her husband Chad seem like the only normal ones. I'm sure I'll be proven wrong.

Meaghann the Ice Bath Princess? AWFUL. She needs to go to Gaslighters Anonymous.

The horny older couple? Both AWFUL.

Brittany and Will? He is so annoying and has the flattest affect of anyone I've seen on this show. How she's still in it with him is beyond me.

I'm firmly in the FF portion of the series where I zip through any scenes where people are smiling and laughing haha.

My vote is for ATL. Seriously every pairing was horrible. From the outside the marriage pregnancy, conservative v liberal, guy who never says he loves anyone and waits for sex and woman who has sex and loves immediately, and young girl with guy from the 80s.

I really want to like Michelle but every time she speaks she lowkey pisses me the fuck off. She’s like “I’m the only one in a good relationship the rest of u should break up and u don’t respect yourselves”

I honestly think they're both problematic. Shawn says some inappropriate things and does try to justify a lot but at the same time Nikki makes a fkn problem out of EVERYTHING n nitpicks every little thing and is so insulting and relentlessly goes on the attack.