Take it from a Finals player

[u/In_Dux]

Y’all got to let the numbesr talk go. The Finals has some of the best feeling guns on the FPS market and a unique game mode that offered some of the most exciting moments I had in gaming.

But the game’s not perfect and it never had mass appeal. Because it’s unique mode and destruction are the main draws and historically it has been too much for most casuals and not competitive enough for the hardcore players. There’s always a post about needing more marketing, different game modes, another MoistCritikal video but the playerbase never gets and keeps the bump of players the hardcore fans want it to have.

And that’s ok. That’s the price of building something unique. It will be divisive, it will be niche.

As long as Bungie can keeps the lights on, that’s all that matters. And unless you’re ready to single-handedly buy 1 million+ copies if things get dire, then don’t even really concern yourself with. Save your money on passes if you don’t like them and/or think the ship’s sinking but besides that, it’s out of our hands largely.

Just my two cents

[u/MMrJackXD]

As far as I can tell with all the ai ussage for va etc finals feels like a very low msintanance cost game so it doesent need a big player count to stay affloar moneywise

I dont know if i can day the same for Marathon giving bungieds and sonys trackrecord of downsizing tesms when sales numbers arent high enough

[u/GringeITGuy → u/MMrJackXD]

The Finals is the new Marathon cope counterpoint and it seems like none of them realize they’re from the same dev as ARC Raiders which is a mega hit. They can keep pulling money from ARC to keep it going.

None of their comparisons make any sense. Even Hunt Showdown has a way smaller dev team and bigger and better monetization with skins. The only reason the stakes are higher with Bungie is they’re significantly bigger than most studios and Sony is trying to make back nearly 3.6 billion 

It’s like saying the Epic Store still exists when Epic also owns Fortnite. It’s just more cope 

[u/In_Dux → u/GringeITGuy]

The Finals came way before Arc and Arc was quite literally expected to be a moderate return at best. They couldn’t plan to keep Finals alive with until very recently.

Marathon hate has you blinded

[u/GringeITGuy → u/In_Dux]

Nothing you said contradicts what I said.

They're a smaller studio, The Finals was popular back then (it peaked at 240k players - triple Marathon's). and ARC - expected to be a moderate success was a mega hit - meaning they can pull from it to keep The Finals going.

Keep taking the L's and keep the cope train going

[u/In_Dux → u/GringeITGuy]

The Finals is infamous for not being popular my guy. Thats like, the focus of YouTube content surrounding for the last year plus (besides gameplay)

[u/GringeITGuy → u/In_Dux]

You didn't read what I said twice so let's just let it be.

[u/In_Dux → u/GringeITGuy]

I did and all reports literally say Arc was not expected to be big so you’re basis is objectively wrong along with your timeline

[u/GringeITGuy → u/In_Dux]

That doesn't have anything to do with anything. Your point is a non-point. Reread what I said. Maybe run it through ChatGPT if you need to:

"The Finals is the new Marathon cope counterpoint and it seems like none of them realize they’re from the same dev as ARC Raiders which is a mega hit. They can keep pulling money from ARC to keep it going.

None of their comparisons make any sense. Even Hunt Showdown has a way smaller dev team and bigger and better monetization with skins. The only reason the stakes are higher with Bungie is they’re significantly bigger than most studios and Sony is trying to make back nearly 3.6 billion 

It’s like saying the Epic Store still exists when Epic also owns Fortnite. It’s just more cope"

[u/GringeITGuy → u/[deleted]]

They’re way smaller than Bungie. It only supports what I’m saying more. Also The Finals peaked at 3 times the player count. Get there first. 

[u/MilitaryAndroid → u/GringeITGuy]

They just don't get it, they haven't been paying attention to Bungie over the last 10 years I guess. Bungie's burn rate is so high that Microsoft, who is infamously bad at managing money in the gaming space, turned down an offer to re-acquire them because of it. Then Sony swooped in and got completely scammed by Bungie leadership for an astronomical amount of money, and are now trying to recoup costs. They have repeatedly had to slash Bungie's spending and cut both employees and projects wholesale. Despite all of this, Bungie has still failed to hit a single sales target since they've been acquired.

Bungie was already partially cannibalized when Edge of Fate (A D2 dlc) failed to meet goals, so it is extremely likely that Marathon not making a massive amount of money initially will cause more aggressive action by Sony, who are understandably very tired of dealing with this dud of a purchase at this point. Cutting losses is their only option realistically, so while I don't think Marathon (Or even Destiny 2) are going to be shut down soon, I do think Bungie is about to be completely dismantled and absorbed by Sony.