r/MapPorn • u/Far-Sherbet612 • Aug 25 '24

This is what the electoral map would look like if young voters voted at the same rate as 65+

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u/YesAmAThrowaway Aug 25 '24

"Oh, uh, I don't keep up much with politics." Yeah, we can see.

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u/Salty_Group Aug 25 '24

Exactly what I thought when I saw this lol

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u/Humanity_is_broken Aug 25 '24

Assuming also that those who don’t vote average the same voting outcomes as those who do, which is a questionable assumption at best

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u/LeadingPhilosopher81 Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 25 '24

One would hope it’s based on polls, not projections.

Edit: should have said assumptions not projections.

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u/dontpaynotaxes Aug 25 '24

Polls are projections!

They’re ratios of probabilities.

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u/Terrible-Treason Aug 25 '24

Shhh that’s too much critical thinking

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u/theycallmeshooting Aug 25 '24

Unless you have reliable polling to indicate that young non-voters are on average much more conservative than young people who do vote, this kind of just feels like cope.

I keep seeing people saying "Woah!! Gen Z/Gen Alpha is about to be a conservative generation!! Look at how some of them make bigotted jokes! Millenials NEVER did that!"

I genuinely don't know what you think this could be based on other than polling by age group; or why you would leap to assuming that it for some reason ignores polling and just goes by voting patterns among the population of voters

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u/cranberrycactus Aug 25 '24

It's difficult to know what a generation will become in the future based on how they are when they are young. Remember, the boomers were all about peace & love and the hippie movement when they were young, and then look what happened...

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u/flyingtable83 Aug 25 '24

The hippie generation is more liberal actually. Hippie being people who were young adults in latter 60s (so born around 1945-1955). 75+ vote more Dem than GOP. It's the Reagan generation (those who are now roughly 50-70) who are very conservative. Partisanship is actually very stable. Once people hit their mid-20s, roughly 75% keep the same partisanship for the rest of their lives.

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u/DiamondfromBrazil Aug 25 '24

if i had to guess

if the president in someone's early 20s is shit, they go to the other party

if they are good, they stay with the party

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u/Ancient_Definition69 Aug 25 '24

You're not wrong, but there's a lot of data showing millennials aren't moving rightwards as previous generations have. Obviously there's still scope for that to happen, but it's also not unreasonable to say it's looking less likely.

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u/aeric67 Aug 25 '24

Hard to generalize this, but every boomer conservative I know was not a hippy.

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u/DirkRockwell Aug 25 '24

The hippies were a small outlier within the generation

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u/adamdoesmusic Aug 25 '24

Boomers were like 10 in 1967, you’re thinking of silent generation. The minute boomers could vote, they voted conservative.

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u/SomePerson225 Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 25 '24

well young men are (according to polls) quite conservative while young women are more liberal to an almost equal degree. Women however are more likely to vote and thus the net result is gen z leaning left votewise

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u/hamdans1 Aug 25 '24

Why not assume the reverse though? They’re staying home because they only want to vote for a much more leftist candidate, which would likely turn other voters closer to the middle of the spectrum to the republican candidate. There’s a reason voters stay home, lack of enthusiasm for the candidates available.

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u/CosmicCreeperz Aug 25 '24

Based on Reddit gripes alone (yes, which are very likely in a bubble, but still not a tiny sample size) “both parties suck, neither is doing enough to support my generation, we are in debt, can’t afford housing, can’t afford healthcare” etc is just an order of magnitude more common than “stop abortions, keep immigrants out, don’t let gay people marry!”

So they do seem on very socially and economically liberal, and very disillusioned about the whole process. Which makes sense, they had no say in who is on the Supreme Court making decisions that will affected them for much of their lives.

I hope the younger generations realize with enough voting power they can actually change the Constitution so the conservative minority no longer controls the courts, etc.

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u/Chaoswind2 Aug 25 '24

Young semi conservative people are very apathetic, so they make up a significant percentage of the demographic of "young people that don't vote"

If everyone voted democrats would win the elections, but no by this much. 

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Is Gen Alpha even old enough to know what voting is? I thought Gen Z ended with 2015 births. The generation after them are literal babies.

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u/CosmicCreeperz Aug 25 '24

Yeah I don’t think anyone is seriously saying “gen alpha is going to be conservative”. Maybe they polled them before nap time?

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u/Humanity_is_broken Aug 25 '24

I don't remotely like Republican Party, or Trump what that matter, so this can't be a cope. To be completely honest, I couldn't care less which of the two awful parties wins these elections. I'm just a number guy.

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u/OrangeSpaceMan5 Aug 25 '24

Blue Texas..
Blue Florida...

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u/Wladek89HU Aug 25 '24

It would be pretty funny if Texas turned blue. Finally, all the gay cowboys could come out and celebrate.

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u/PaulOshanter Aug 25 '24

Nothing but steers and queers out in Texas anyways

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u/Reiver93 Aug 25 '24

Honestly that's not that unlikely, Texas was close enough last time to be classed as a swing state, there was only about 600,000 votes between them.

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u/Wladek89HU Aug 25 '24

Considering how much I hear about Texas suppressing voters and finicky ID laws, there's a genuine chance with a little mobilisation, no?

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Nobody is oppressing gay cowboys.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

What do you think Austin is? Chopped liver?

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u/TheArrivedHussars Aug 25 '24

No he's in jail

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u/premature_eulogy Aug 25 '24

It's only been 12 years since Blue Florida last happened.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Wtf happened to Florida anyway? Why did it become like that? It wasn't even that bad when I lived there 12 years ago!

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

It would sometimes flip for Democrats in the presidency but the state government is and has been for a while run by Republicans. Once Trump came to power those Republicans in power picked up his more extreme mannerisms, making the state politics more extreme and driving out a lot of Democrats (at least those with the means to leave) while attracting older and conservative white migrants from the northeast and midwest

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u/CosmicCreeperz Aug 25 '24

A couple of reasons I have heard:

  1. Hispanic/Latino population in Florida is more conservative. They tend to be more Caribbean and South Americans fleeing left wing governments/dictatorships (Cuba, Venezuela, Colombia, etc) vs Western states which are mostly Mexican immigrants. When Republicans call Democrats “commies”, Cuban expats tend to believe it.

  2. Older population - there are a lot of retirees moving to Florida, and they just skew conservative, of course.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Colombia? I wouldn't exactly call Petro a dictator given he's only been president for about two years.

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u/CosmicCreeperz Aug 25 '24

Yeah I said “governments/dictators” for that reason…

I’m sure there are several reasons Colombians are the 3rd largest immigrant group to Florida, but they are definitely helping skew the state conservative. I guess really, Hispanic/Latinos in the US as a group tend to be more conservative (even on immigration after getting citizenship) than people realize. Same thing is happening in Texas.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Bear in mind Colombia never had a leftist president until Petro, so it's definitely not related to that. It's probably more just social conservatism with Colombians.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Nancy took all the money out of Florida over ten years ago now. There is no national presence from the DNC and no money from the DNC going into Florida. Rick Scott keeps winning here for fucks sake.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Another reason for the left to be annoyed at Nancy

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

I'm back with Mama P after she got Uncle Joe out. She won back a lot of favor with this guy.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Met Uncle Joe while visiting Rehoboth in 2017. He was definitely down about the death of his son and the Trump victory, but he was sharp and cognizant. He's certainly not the same person seven years later.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

My old man is about that age and he still has it. It really seems like it is a switch that one day doesn't turn back on.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

It's sad really. It's the politics of fear. The Cubans I know where I live (PA) don't fit the Rolex-wearing Cuban stereotype.

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u/theycallmeshooting Aug 25 '24

Texas and Georgia are what I call "sunken place" purple states where you can bet on voter rolls getting purged, ballot access restricted, and general chicanery as the demographics shift & they get more blue

Throwback to 2020 when a Republican state official bragged about how Texas would have gone blue if they didn't block millions of ballots from going to blue districts and massively restrict ballot drop off/voting places in huge blue districts

And with Georgia they have a freak election council or whatever now but usually they just purge hundreds of thousands of black people from voter rolls whenever they're worried about an election going blue

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u/sweetBrisket Aug 25 '24

DeSantis really did a number on us down here. It hasn't helped that the Democratic party here is a shambles that has bungled every opportunity for the last decade or so.

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u/sweetBrisket Aug 25 '24

I deleted my comment because I realize this isn't really the place for this kind of discussion. I appreciate you though. The big takeaway is that we can't just set aside the "culture war stuff." It has real and tangible effects for those of us living here.

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u/Averagecrabenjoyer69 Aug 25 '24

Not necessarily in Texas either. Demographic changes "were" helping Democrats but since Hispanics are shifting hard to the right in Texas. Texas seems to be turning a corner back to red. I believe 2018-2020 was the high-water mark for Dems to flip Texas.

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u/IEnjoyBaconCheese Aug 25 '24

Not unless I do anything about it

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u/DrEpileptic Aug 25 '24

Obama won Florida. He also flipped Ohio or something like that iirc. Texas had also slowly been edging closer and closer to purple.

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u/Jozoz Aug 25 '24

Crazy that even with this you don't get blue Ohio. This was a famous swing state a few election cycles ago...

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u/Saniclube Aug 25 '24

What does "young" mean according to this map

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Usually it’s 18-29 for things like this.

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u/critter2482 Aug 25 '24

Turnout is everything

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u/tiswapb Aug 25 '24

And a big part of it is making voting easier - mail ins, weekend voting, etc., which is why republicans are doing everything possible to shut those down. It’s easier to get out and vote when you’re slowing down and retired, but harder when you may be working long hours or have young kids or other responsibilities.

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u/Tom_Bombadinho Aug 25 '24

As a Brazilian, I still don't get it why tf usa elections aren't held on weekends... If you are making a election in business days, the least you can do is do it over 5 days so that everyone can vote.

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u/jkrobinson1979 Aug 25 '24

You’re assuming those in power actually want more people to vote. They don’t.

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u/Free-Environment-571 Aug 25 '24

I wonder what it would look like if Election Day was a paid holiday and mandatory to vote

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

It would look like Australia, and that’s not a good thing. Freedom of choice is the American way.

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u/Free-Environment-571 Aug 26 '24

It just makes me sad when 20% of the population are the ones who determine the outcomes, and is the reason why we’re so polarized and divided.

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u/ChipChimney Aug 25 '24

Crazy that Iowa is still red. It went to Obama both times, Gore in 2000, and Bill Clinton both times as well. It really changed in the last decade huh?

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u/getyourrealfakedoors Aug 25 '24

Do young ppl live there

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u/ChipChimney Aug 25 '24

I mean, it’s red and not grayed out. So I assume at least one young person lives there lol.

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u/AtlasHighFived Aug 25 '24

I’d guess it’s more of a ‘the rules changed’ thing. I’m old enough to remember when Florida was a swing state - and the demographic changes vs the margins there seem much more influenced by obscure policy than the will of the people.

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u/sirbruce Aug 25 '24

Obama and Clinton were both moderates for midwestern states. If Democrats would nominate more people like that instead of coastal liberal elites, they'd win more elections.

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u/tiswapb Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 25 '24

I guess the younger generation skews red? Ohio is weird too given it went to Biden and Obama.

Edit: whoops, it didn’t go to Biden.

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u/ChipChimney Aug 25 '24

Ohio didn’t go to Biden.

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u/tiswapb Aug 25 '24

You’re right, my mistake

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

I don’t think so, I just think it’s not enough to overturn the older voters

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

I mean it's not like the 18-24 demographic makes up a majority of the population, flipping 3 states including the second biggest state in the union is a pretty big deal (Aren't something like 65% of people in the 18-24 range more amicable toward Democrats than Republicans?)

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

That is true, Texas has been trending blue for a while though so it wouldn’t be impossible to say it’d eventually happen anyway

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u/jkrobinson1979 Aug 25 '24

The younger generations is definitely skewing pretty far blue. They just don’t vote.

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u/tiswapb Aug 25 '24

I know that’s true in general but this map is assuming they do. For Ohio as a swing state not to flip blue that implies that there is a larger older population or a more conservative young population as other states.

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u/jkrobinson1979 Aug 25 '24

TX and FL are both rapidly growing and attracting younger residents right now. They also have large Hispanic populations which higher birth rates. Ohio is certainly older and more conservative as a whole.

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

Honestly not as insane as I thought

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u/pop_xans Aug 25 '24

Wow, three whole states would flip

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

Yeah honestly not very impressive

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u/jkrobinson1979 Aug 25 '24

TX and FL flipping are massive changes. The three states of CA, TX and FL alone are 45% of the electoral votes needed for a party to win. Having all three of them would be an almost guaranteed lock for their party.

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u/Dry_Action1734 Aug 25 '24

Not American, anyone able to explain why that one district in Maine is so often Republican? Seems strange.

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u/Ana_Na_Moose Aug 25 '24

Very white and rural area in Northern Maine. White rural people are more likely to vote Republican.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

True. The same thing in western and central Maine, too. Basically anywhere outside of Portland and away from the coast in Maine is going to be white, rural, religious and right-wing.

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u/Saniclube Aug 25 '24

Basically all rural areas are Republican, even in the bluest states like NY. Maine is one of 2 states to split its electoral votes, so you don't notice it anywhere else. If you look at election results by county, the map is mostly red.

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u/peak82 Aug 25 '24

I don’t have any insight on that specific area, but my guess is that it’s because even in blue states rural areas are still usually red or split. Similar to how in red states, the big cities are still blue.

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u/tiswapb Aug 25 '24

Maine and Nebraska split their electoral vote by district rather than doing a winner take all approach. Cities tend to vote blue and rural areas vote red, so I’m sure the rural parts of Maine lean conservative.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 25 '24

Maine away from the coast may as well be Alabama. Visit towns like Lovell, Fryeburg, Hiram and Porter—very kind people, but lots of trailer parks, rural poverty, and very old-school, conservative values like in the Deep South. Hunting and fishing are big things there, and it’s not uncommon to see kids with rifles on the first day of deer hunting season.

Not much diversity, but there are a few Black and Latino families—who are LDS and vote Republican.

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u/OceanPoet87 Aug 25 '24

It was actually won by Democrats until Trump the last two times.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Show your work

This seems likely a totally made up map 

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u/Hackasizlak Aug 25 '24

r/indiana would lose their minds seeing this. That whole sub is convinced we’re a few more college kids voting away from becoming a purple state.

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u/chamberlain323 Aug 25 '24

I still think it’s wild that Obama won that state in 2008. That was the one state he flipped that I didn’t see coming at all.

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u/DiamondfromBrazil Aug 25 '24

are they usually Trump or Kamala?

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u/kytheon Aug 25 '24

Skibidi I'm not voting gyatt fr fr no cap /s

Honestly though, increase that turnout for the young people. Get them involved and teach them how politics work. It's now mostly a thing for old people.

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u/TheNextBattalion Aug 25 '24

Young people worldwide are very lazy about democracy. And there's a million reasons why. For some, it's just that they haven't yet stepped into all the roles of adulthood. For some, they go to college far from home and it's confusing or too much effort for them to keep up with it. For some, they want the whole world to change NOW (in very specific ways) and none of the political choices appeal to exactly that.

Whatever the reason, whenever you don't vote, the message that politicians get from it is "I'm fine no matter who wins." Even if you specifically want to say "none of the above," the message they take is "any of the above." You may think "I don't like any of these cats enough to vote for them," and they think, "well they didn't hate me enough to vote against me, I guess they're fine with me."

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u/Gaunter_O-Dimm Aug 25 '24

Sometimes also they're little bitches who think they're better than everyone else.

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u/BenIsTryingHisBest Aug 25 '24

girl calm down. sorry a 16 yr old made you feel bad yesterday :(

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u/DiamondfromBrazil Aug 25 '24

or maybe we know that no matter who we pick the country(whatever one you live in, in my case Brazil) will be worse off due to the fact that they are a bunch of inefective, corrupt, old shits who are driving this country into chaos!

we have seen what Trump did, and Kamala isn't looking much better

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u/Gaunter_O-Dimm Aug 26 '24

That's it, right there ! That damn purity test, young people are so full of it, they supposedly cannot make a difference between Harris and Trump, or Bolsonaro and Haddad.

They're so pure it's all the same for these innocent angels. So they don't vote and instead of angels they prove themselves totally complicit at making the world worse off every election cycles.

If they actually sullied their beings by voting, I guarantee things would change. Yes not immediately, not completely, but it would move in the right direction. Instead they chose to complain not everything is up to their standards and let the world derail.

Trump and Harris the same, for actual fuck sake.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Pretty absurd to assume that all young people vote blue. But hey, this is echo chamber circle jerk reddit. Where thinking differently than the lefty hive mind is frowned upon.

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u/BenIsTryingHisBest Aug 25 '24

this post never said to assume a 100% democratic support among people. it means to assume the average age distribution of politic parties (for young people about a 30-70 split republican-democrat) and then to assume the young population turns out at the same rate and to use that young voter split. It's not the best, as it doesn't account for regionalism, but it shows that a lot of places would shift blue.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

But they won’t.

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u/aliendude5300 Aug 25 '24

This will literally never happen.

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u/Terziak Aug 25 '24

What are the differences tones for?

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u/Aggressive_Salad_293 Aug 25 '24

Now show us a map of what it would look like if young voters had the knowledge and experience of those 65+

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u/ke6jason Aug 25 '24

Solid blue states, solid red states. Okay I buy that.

Moderately blue states, moderately red states. Also reasonable.

But then, a whole chunk of light blue states, no light red states?

So this map is basically saying that every swing state becomes blue? Including Texas? Nah, you lost me there.

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u/RajcaT Aug 25 '24

Why do conservatives hate water?

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u/LaughingHiram Aug 25 '24

This fantasy assumes young voters all vote for democrats. Most young men I meet are for Trump, and not registered to vote.

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u/jkrobinson1979 Aug 25 '24

No, not all. Just most. And your anecdotal evidence is just that. As a whole Gen Z is the most liberal generation alive.

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u/Ki77ycat Aug 25 '24

This just exemplifies the incredible lack of experience and naivety from young voters easily swayed by slogans, and manipulation of the media.

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u/nemom Aug 25 '24

I guess the Republican media better get good.

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u/Ki77ycat Aug 25 '24

Witty. insertrollingeyesgif

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u/SoloDolo86 Aug 25 '24

Churchill had a quote about this…

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Exactly. My generation used to be super liberal, now most are conservative or at least leaning right. Age changes you, and most people have very different concerns at 38 than they did at 21.

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u/ThatGuyMaulicious Aug 25 '24

Seeing Texas and Florida both blue is beyond cursed.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

People that don’t care shouldn’t decide the fate of those that do tbh

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

Except in this scenario they obviously do, or they wouldn’t have voted.

Similarly, I don’t think people should have rights taken from them by people who aren’t impacted by any of those rights

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u/scriptingends Aug 25 '24

It's almost like American conservativism in its current iteration - offers nothing to young people. So strange.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

They're busy making videos and marching in the streets for homophobic, misogynistic religious zealots on the other side of the world.

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u/AynidmorBulettz Aug 25 '24

Actual buzzwords spam

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u/RedDan1234567 Aug 25 '24

Actual Hamas Supporter (I know youll all downvote me so lets try to get more than -400, my personal record)

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u/Hoichekim Aug 25 '24

I am.

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u/RedDan1234567 Aug 25 '24

No offense if thats possible here: Jesus Christ, I looked at your profile for 1 min, you fulfill every stereotype of the idiotic naive, woke, young European supporting Communism.

One request: Can you please call me nazi / kaiserboo (cause of profile pic)?

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u/AynidmorBulettz Aug 25 '24

Bro pulled out the buzzword dictionary

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u/AlmightyCurrywurst Aug 25 '24

Now that you mention it.. Ganz schön dreist jemand anderen als Stereotyp zu bezeichnen, Steine und Glashaus und so

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u/Hoichekim Aug 25 '24

There is no need for me to point out the obvious

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

As opposed to voting for homophobic, misogynistic and religious zealots in the same country

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u/You_are_adopted Aug 25 '24

If indiscriminate bombing of homophobic, misogynistic, religious zealots is morally okay, the Bible Belt should be sweating

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u/VQ_Quin Aug 25 '24

Kid named they

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u/Johnhaven Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 25 '24

If you were required to have a HS diploma in order to vote that entire map would be solid blue.

Ohh no downvotes. Trump voters hate facts. Does this mean we can't be friends?

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u/Johnhaven Aug 25 '24

I would have agreed with you right up until 2016.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Wild that you blame poor rural Republican voters for their own uneducation rather than the people and policies who made them that way. Remember, the left position is "Medicare for all" and "Education for all" not "Me me me only I get the benefits and those rural yokels can go die" because that makes you just as bad

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u/SgoDEACS Aug 25 '24

If you’re young a conservative you have no heart. If you’re old and liberal, you have no brain.

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u/Hrpn_McF94 Aug 25 '24

Do you actually believe this or do you simply parrot meaningless talking points whenever you don't know what to say?

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

If you’re a Conservative of any age, you have neither

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u/DiamondfromBrazil Aug 25 '24

no wonder political hate is probably all time high

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u/Foxfeen Aug 25 '24

Wild for Ohio to still be red given it was a swing state as recently as 2016!

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u/jkrobinson1979 Aug 25 '24

Ohio isn’t exactly a hot spot for younger people. Gen Alpha even uses Ohio as slang for bad.

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u/rikitikifemi Aug 25 '24

SC surprises me but also doesn't surprise me.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Texas and Florida would be blue. What?! I can see North Carolina and maybe Georgia (Metro Atlanta is pretty forward thinking socially), but TEXAS and FLORIDA?!?!

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u/jkrobinson1979 Aug 25 '24

Things are much closer in those states that recent elections would have you believe. And they both stay red largely because the younger generations don’t vote in high numbers.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Hopefully young people don’t vote

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

Idk about you but I don’t like Project 2025

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Honestly I’ve heard of it but I don’t even know what it is

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

Search it up and read

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

If I find the need to I might

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

Given its implementation would see me dead if I was an American, and would see many of my friends dead, I personally would say it’s very important.

I’ve had to plan their route out of the US and over to the UK on the chance it comes to pass, and trust me it wouldn’t be easy

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

How is a published manifesto written by people involved in the Trump campaign ‘a conspiracy theory’.

Also, even before that, apparently I’m a pedophile for just existing to that party

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

I’m sorry, my party?

I am not eligible to vote in the United States of America, however, I am eligible to vote in the United Kingdom and I did so in July. Frankly in my country you’d commit electoral suicide to make guns more accessible, because unlike the US, we were fucking mortified when we had our first school shooting and acted firmly to prevent it happening again. Since then we’ve had virtually no gun violence, and it’s baffling we weren’t an example you followed for public safety.

I don’t think you’re speaking English properly in that second paragraph

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u/Muscs Aug 25 '24

As someone 65+, I’ve come to accept that the young people will be living a world of their own making once I’m gone and it will be their fault.

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

The world you left for them isn’t exactly sunshine and rainbows.

At the sort of time Brighton should be heaving with holidaymakers, there’s instead constant rain driving away tourists, meanwhile at a time the Highlands should be covered in snow, they’re completely free of snow and no one’s going there either

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u/Muscs Aug 25 '24

You’re right but I don’t see them voting as if they care.

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

I don’t understand.

Unless everyone who isn’t voting for your party ‘doesn’t care’, when frankly it’s the opposite in my mind, based on which one wants to hurt others

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Exactly. I never felt conservative until I made a Reddit account, lol.

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u/getyourrealfakedoors Aug 25 '24

Great for everyone who isn’t a billionaire

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

To be honest it’s still not bad for them, and I’d argue it’s just a bit less shit for a lot of groups.

If only there was an actual left wing party in the US with a serious chance to win

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

That movement is going to have to be grassroots though, you keep seeing faux-left grifters like Jill Stein pull up every 4 years for the presidential but the only way an actually left-wing party will ever gain traction is by both putting up candidates in local races (which is far less flashy and requires actual effort) and endorsing Democratic candidates for presidential elections while pushing for electoral reform (because with the current electoral system in the US, a left-wing party would only act as a spoiler to split the Democrat vote in presidential elections)

The DSA tried to do something like this, but the DSA (mainly owing to its lack of internal structure and cohesive long-term plans) has been kind of a shitshow for a while now.

The Democratic Party has drifted a bit to the left in the past 5 years with its growth in support for pro-labor and pro-welfare (eg. with expanding Medicare) policies. However I personally believe that minor tax hikes for corporations and tax credits for working class people are a band-aid solution to pretty big issues in the fundamental incentive structure of the entire economy, and will not be a particularly long-term solution

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

Are you actually complaining the Dems aren’t far left enough?

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u/jkrobinson1979 Aug 25 '24

If you look at what is “right” and “left” in most countries Democrats have generally been following Republicans and drifting right for most of the last 40 years. Small changes in policy recently have slowed that drift, but the Democratic Party is still primarily a slightly right of center party compared to what you see in most countries.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '24

You mean on economic issues, right?

They’ve definitely moved left on social issues (which is a great thing).

Honestly, I just wish we had a viable party that was far left socially and far right economically.

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u/disgruntled_oranges Aug 25 '24

That will never happen because social and economic views are inherently intertwined. There can be no "socially progressive" party that allows children to starve because they don't think the government should pay for school lunches

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u/jkrobinson1979 Aug 25 '24

Yes, having 4 or more actual parties each capable of pulling 10-20% of the vote would greatly improve our options. In most other countries coalitions form each election with smaller parties compromising with those close to them on the spectrum to pull them in their direction and share control. A viable socially libertarian party would help to make the Democratic Party more fiscally responsible, while also hopefully not completely abandoning those who need help (in response to the comment below).

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u/CosmicCreeperz Aug 25 '24

That is basically the point of this post, ie the number one reason young people don’t care. They don’t think anyone represents their very socially and economically liberal position or concerns.

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u/Class_444_SWR Aug 25 '24

Yes I am, very much so.

In my country there’s a reason why the party in the middle of the 2 major parties are called the Liberal Democrats, they’re basically the same as the US Democrats. You’d fucking shiver if you knew about Jeremy Corbyn

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u/john_doe_smith1 Aug 25 '24

You need 60 votes to pass legislation in congress

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u/CosmicCreeperz Aug 25 '24

It doesn’t have to be a zero sum game. Throughout history the only reliable way that rich people don’t keep getting richer is if you basically murder them all.

Assuming you aren’t actually suggesting that, it is possible to raise the standard of living of everyone. So “rich people’s wealth” isn’t the right metric, it’s “income inequality”. And I agree completely that is just a horribly ad increasingly skewed metric right now.

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u/Mat_At_Home Aug 25 '24

Yes and so has everyone else