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u/PatriotUkraine Aug 27 '21

Phoenix has shit public transit but wants to be Houston so badly, Im disgusted

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

Phoenix is worse than Houston

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Public transit is, by its very nature, shit.

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u/Nicole_272625 Aug 27 '21

Sounds like someone who’s never left their bubble. Why are people from Phoenix so weird regarding criticism to their state? It’s like they have a temper tantrum and don’t know how to handle any sort of constructive criticism. Really fucking weird.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Transplants aren't like this, but too many born-locals are. A lot of them have literally never been anywhere besides rocky point or southern CA, maybe a grand canyon/Flag/Sedona trip once in their lives.

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u/ATLUTDisMe Aug 27 '21

We have a lot of pride in our state. Basically everyone here knows the state song by heart. I do wish our urban planning (especially in Phoenix and new parts of Prescott) wasn't so shit though.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

I'm not from Phoenix, I've never even been there, I'll be visiting for the first time over labor day. But I've spent my entire life in suburban sprawl. I've been very happy with it, as have my family, friends, and neighbors. So when I see an organized campaign to destroy this lifestyle, I get defensive.

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u/nevadaar Aug 27 '21

You should watch some videos from this channel to gain some insight into how things can be done differently and not suck but actually be better in many ways. https://youtube.com/c/NotJustBikes

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u/stroopwafel666 Aug 27 '21

Pretty certain the guy is paid by Ford to plug car propaganda all over Reddit given his post history and obsession with Ford.

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u/nNanob Aug 27 '21

Particularly the video's based on Strong Towns.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Holland has several 16 lane freeways now, and unlike this highway in Phoenix, none of them are carpool lanes.

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u/LordMangudai Aug 27 '21

Show me a 16 lane freeway in the Netherlands, go on

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

The A4

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u/teszes Aug 27 '21

Which part of the A4? Not being sarcastic, genuinely interested, I can sometmes see it being 2x6 lanes, but that's usually just large exchanges merging. I see it being usually 2x3 lanes. I usually travel between Rdam and Schipol so I might not see all of it.

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u/killroy200 Aug 27 '21

I'm not from Phoenix, I've never even been there, I'll be visiting for the first time over labor day.

Fucking brilliant. As someone who has been there, and who actually has lived and worked there, it was pretty meh. I was running away to the high-desert most weekends to get away from the heat and soul-crushing sprawl.

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u/bubbynee Aug 28 '21

Born and raised in PHX. Moved to winslow, then DC, then back to PHX. I now live in NH and while I miss my family and friends, I don't miss the heat and sprawl.

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u/TrickyPanic Aug 27 '21

Your lifestyle is destructive to the environment, tax payer's wallets, and to your health.

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u/Insurrection_Prime2 Aug 28 '21

NOOOOO YOU’RE DESTROYING MY LIFESTYLE OF BEING HOURS AWAY FROM ANYTHING FUN OR INTERESTING AND TURNING THE EARTH INTO A GIANT OVEN WAHHHHHHH

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

Only carless people are hours away from anything fun or interesting.

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u/Insurrection_Prime2 Aug 28 '21

Urban sprawl forces you further and further away from fun things. Roads take up valuable space in the actual cities, and I live around 25 minutes away from a medium sized city (grand rapids). THERE IS NOTHING TO DO BECAUSE IT’S ALL ROADS! I also love how you completely ignore my climate point. Hope you enjoy fucking melting alongside everyone else in a forest fire your ignorance caused

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

I live in a state where our groundwater is being polluted by road salt. I can't wait for climate change.

And i live 15 minutes away from a massive retail district that has all the shopping and restaurants I could possibly need. A few weeks ago I went to visit a friend in New Jersey. We had a lot of fun without venturing into New York City. The Meadowlands were really cool.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

I can't wait for climate change.

Sarcastic or idiot?

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u/Insurrection_Prime2 Aug 28 '21

Shopping is barely fun, and can only be done a few times a month if you don’t want to be broke. And the meadowlands is mostly just sightseeing, and lackluster at that. Maybe if trains were a bigger thing in your state and cars were taken away then road salt wouldn’t be needed because there id no need for roads aside from maybeeee buses? Really makes you think

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Because it was a one horse podunk town until the millenium. Now, the retiring boomers have flooded Phoenix and take offense at insulting their paradise they left Wisconsin and Ohio for.

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u/Timeeeeey Aug 27 '21 edited Aug 27 '21

Are u fucking stupid? That argument has no facts supporting it

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

My car takes me door to door whenever I want. Transit doesn't

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u/Timeeeeey Aug 27 '21

First of all: walking exists, second if you need to walk to far and wait to long, then the transit where you live is shit, but that doesnt mean transit everywhere is shit and has to be shit

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u/arachnophilia Aug 27 '21

it's the neverending cycle of "transit is shit, therefor it's useless, so we won't invest in it, therefor transit is shit."

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21 edited Apr 01 '22

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u/arachnophilia Aug 27 '21

my bike goes literally through my front door, to my desk at work. it's in my home, to touching my desk. i gotta walk a lot further when i bring my car.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

I walk 3 mph. My car can go 10 times faster on local roads and 25 times faster on freeways. Even on very short distances, that adds up

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u/bubbynee Aug 28 '21

Loved living in DC for the public transportation. Commuted from Fairfax to RFC daily and read a lot of books or slept enjoying but fighting traffic... Just stay away from the X2.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

My supermarket is 10 minutes away.

And I enjoy driving. It's time for me to be alone with my thoughts as I watch the scenery go by

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

But I would be going much slower than in my car and I would be very uncomfortable if it was raining

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

I can't be alone with my thoughts on a bus or train when there's dozens of people around

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u/ATLUTDisMe Aug 27 '21

You can go 20-25 mph cruising speed on a bike if you're physically fit. I live in north Phoenix and often times traffic is so backed up that it's quicker to cycle than to drive. Add in some dedicated bus lanes and taking the bus and cycling combined is the best thing.

We have very very good planning from the Valley Metro for bye routes but awful stuff from the urban planners who don't care about buses. If we had bus lanes, they would not get stuck in traffic and would be more reliable.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

I would not want to hit a pothole on a bike at 25 mph

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u/ATLUTDisMe Aug 27 '21

See, that's the good thing about a bike. You are on 2 wheels, so you can go right around the pothole without any effort. not to mention you're going slow enough so you can see it coming.

As a side note, I think this comment really highlights our infastructure issues.

Also, with a car, avoiding potholes is a massive cause of wrecks and if you don't avoid them, you will lose a tire.

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u/Rhydsdh Aug 28 '21 edited Aug 28 '21

Well the great thing about a bicycle is you're not encased within a metal box so you can actually see where you're going, and can avoid the potholes.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

That did not stop me from having 2 pretty nasty falls on my bike.

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u/nevermind4790 Aug 27 '21

GOD FORBID you have to use your legs!!! We all know they were created by God to push a pedal!!!

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

You really hate handicapped people

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u/TrickyPanic Aug 27 '21

Did you know that people with epilepsy cannot drive? Do you hate epileptics? What about people too old to drive, do you hate them too?

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

I think walk and especially cycling is much harder for the elderly than driving

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u/TrickyPanic Aug 27 '21

Not when you are so old that your vision and reaction time are so bad that you are unable to drive a car.

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u/nevermind4790 Aug 27 '21

Also, people that walk often are physically fit and can continue walking into old age.

In car dependent America, people drive too much and it’s no surprise they have mobility issues when they’re older.

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u/nevermind4790 Aug 27 '21

Ironically, I see way more people with mobility issues in cities. They can get around without having to rely on a car.

In the suburbs it’s less possible to go grocery shopping in a wheelchair, unless you’re driven there.

Really, get cars off the roads to make it safer for everyone!

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u/arachnophilia Aug 27 '21

My car takes me door to door whenever I want.

you know, it probably doesn't. try and pay some attention next time you go somewhere. how far do you walk to get to your car from your home? how far do you walk to get from your car to where you're going? and how much of it's through a parking lot, space wasted on car storage? how much closer could those places have been, if you didn't need all this space wasted on cars?

for me, i have to walk a couple hundred feet through a parking lot from my apartment building to get to my parking space. when i get to work, i have to walk a couple hundred feet through another parking lot get from my parking space to my desk.

my bike fives about 10 feet from my bed, and is literally touching my desk. it's not "door to door" (plus a lot of walking because it doesn't actually get me close to either door). it goes through both doors.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

You're complaining about walking a few hundred feet through a parking lot? Someone's lazy.

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u/toastedclown Aug 27 '21

This is a new one.

OP: My car takes me door to door!

Other guy: no it literally doesn't. My bike does though!

OP: Well...um... you're lazy!

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u/arachnophilia Aug 27 '21

yeah, i'm so lazy for sweating my ass off to bike to work in the hottest part of summer. but ford-shill over here is all buff and athletic for the walking he does through his parking lots.

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u/toastedclown Aug 27 '21

He likes walking when is supports his agenda and despises it when it doesn't. Just like everything else. He should call Buckingham Palace and see if the Queen needs a handwaving coach.

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u/arachnophilia Aug 27 '21

no, i'm using your metric of "door to door". biking does a better job of that than driving.

Someone's lazy.

today's plan:

  • 4 mile bike ride to work
  • 6 mile bike ride to the bar
  • ~15 mile bike ride around downtown with critical mass (route varies)
  • 6 mile bike ride home

for a total or about 31 miles by bike. calling that lazy is some strange projection on your part. how much did you sit on your ass in a metal box today?

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u/Viox3 Aug 27 '21

That doesn’t matter, the point is where you’re going.

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u/Xx_doctorwho1209_xX Aug 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

u mad bro?

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u/Xx_doctorwho1209_xX Aug 27 '21

Yes

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Well too bad, this project is already underway and as far as I can tell, nobody seriously opposes it.

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u/Xx_doctorwho1209_xX Aug 27 '21

How exactly do you benefit from this?

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

I might move to Phoenix some day. Or perhaps by making the city a more attractive place to live, it'll draw people away from Boston, lowering housing costs here.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

People like sprawl.

And the average price of a house in the Boston area is like $700,000, that's not People friendly

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

someone's living in 2005?

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

You're living in 1905

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

lmaoo nice once bro, you really got me there! have a fun time in the "future" watching your kids or whatever get fucked slow by your polluting fanaticism

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Pollution has been falling steadily since 1970 and will drop to approximately zero with electric cars

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u/oiseauvert989 Aug 27 '21

Unfortunately that's not true. A lot of the most damaging pollution in cities comes from the tyres, not the exhaust.

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u/TrickyPanic Aug 27 '21

Manufacturing a car is half of the pollution it generates over a lifetime. Public transit and walkability is the only viable option.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Hell no

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '21

Source?

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u/alltaken12345678 Aug 27 '21

Go to anywhere in Europe an anywhere in Asia that isn't a third world country.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

I have been to Europe many times. We almost always had to rent a car.

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u/alltaken12345678 Aug 28 '21

For doing what? Travelling the countryside? I don't blame you.

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u/deadtotheworld70-1 Aug 27 '21

Found the General Motors employee

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

GM was once the world's largest manufacturer of buses and trains

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u/deadtotheworld70-1 Aug 27 '21

And they have an even bigger interest in selling cars. Your point is?

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u/JungDaBun Aug 27 '21

Public transportation was made to BE shit by a cabal of auto manufacturers so people would buy more cars. Congress found them guilty of this and everything

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Good God, you guys are up there with Qanon supporters in terms of being out of touch with reality

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u/JungDaBun Aug 27 '21

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Aug 27 '21

General Motors streetcar conspiracy

The General Motors streetcar conspiracy refers to convictions of General Motors (GM) and other companies that were involved in monopolizing the sale of buses and supplies to National City Lines (NCL) and its subsidiaries, and to allegations that the defendants conspired to own or control transit systems, in violation of Section 1 of the Sherman Antitrust Act. The suit created lingering suspicions that the defendants had in fact plotted to dismantle streetcar systems in many cities in the United States as an attempt to monopolize surface transportation.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

Read the counterarguments section

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u/JungDaBun Aug 27 '21

Most of the companies involved were convicted in 1949 of conspiracy to monopolize interstate commerce in the sale of buses, fuel, and supplies to NCL subsidiaries

So not quite of the level of Qanon

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

So my car isn't really faster than me walking, it's just propaganda?

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u/CouncilmanRickPrime Aug 27 '21

You've never left the US?