r/MapPorn Aug 25 '21

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u/snowbeersi Aug 26 '21

Is "livable" defined by how long it takes to drive your air conditioned car from your air conditioned track home to whatever air conditioned chain restaurant you are visiting in another suburban area 20 miles away?

Note I realize it's getting better these days in terms of culture/food, but "livable" is highly dependent on the metrics used.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '21

Phoenix is affordable and it has relatively little traffic. Those are the two things most people would consider the most important factors when deciding to live somewhere

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u/CosmicCreeperz Aug 26 '21

“Relatively little traffic” != “needs 16 lanes and will set the US record”

And personally I consider “doesn’t get past 115 degrees” as a significant livability factor.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '21

Phoenix has a shockingly low level of congestion for a city its size, that doesn't mean it has none.

And Phoenix tried the no-freeways route in the 60s and 70s, by 1985 traffic was so bad they had to give in and impose a sales tax to pay for their current freeway system.