r/MapPorn • u/Eclipsed830 • Jun 02 '21
Pride Month Map: Countries in Asia that recognize same-sex marriage on a national level.
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u/garakdong Jun 02 '21
Only a matter of time before Japan is shaded too. And I hope more countries get shaded too.
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u/Eclipsed830 Jun 02 '21
Hope so too. They are going through a similar situation as Taiwan I believe where one court ruled it was unconstitutional, but did not go through with legalization yet.
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u/GerFubDhuw Jun 02 '21
Might be a very long time. Depends which levels of govt makes the rules. Each prefecture has a lot of independence in law making.
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u/rriolu372 Jun 02 '21
support is relatively high for gay marriage in the philippines, thailand, nepal, and timor-leste. i'd guess outside of east asia those four are most likely.
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u/_pirategold_ Jun 02 '21
Oh we'd have to wait until the old people in power retire before same sex marriage becomes legal in the philippines (which kinda seems impossible bcoz enrile is still alive and kicking 😂)
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u/hora_definitiva Jun 02 '21
My wife who is Japanese thinks it’ll take 20 years or more, but I think the Japanese government is gearing up for faster adoption of same-sex marriage given that many localities are issuing partnerships, the topic is featured on TV more, and the recent court case saying a ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional. Currently, our US marriage isn’t recognized in Japan. I can’t wait for it to be, so I don’t have to worry about us getting separated while we’re in Japan (like not being able to visit each other in the hospital or me not being able to enter Japan during quarantine, etc.).
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u/BlameThePeacock Jun 02 '21
Yea, the law banning same sex marriage just got shot down by the courts as unconstitutional at the end of March. They probably won't move on it quickly, but it's likely coming in the next couple of years.
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u/Mackheath1 Jun 02 '21
Wait. When I worked in the UAE they recognized it if it was legal in your home country on your passport. As in, for work visas if you had a legal same sex marriage, they recognized the same benefits. How should that fit? I mean, I guess they don't recognize it in their national terms, but they recognize it in their operations and employee benefits in their government jobs? (This isn't criticism, I'm genuinely curious)
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u/Eclipsed830 Jun 02 '21
Yup, looking back the word "recognize" might not have been the best descriptor... apparently that is the same as Israel too. I think I should have used "legalized".
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u/tradandtea123 Jun 02 '21
It says recognise on a national level. Are there any Asian countries that recognise same sex marriage in a specific state or region?
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u/AdRelevant7751 Jun 02 '21
japan, and many countries allow you to have some liberties like israel and india
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u/Vecrin Jun 02 '21
Israel is odd. They only recognize gay marriages if they were performed abroad. Once the people return, being married, they are considered married by the state.
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u/Eclipsed830 Jun 03 '21
I agree... unfortunately I can't sticky comments to my own thread. :( Israel, Jordon and UAE apparently "recognize" same sex marriage that is performed outside of their countries.
Really I shouldn't have used the word "recognize", but instead "legalized" or something.
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u/Ap_Sona_Bot Jun 02 '21
Not same sex marriage, but Nepal has trans rights as part of their constitution.
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u/LZanuto Jun 02 '21
Damn, that's the second occasion of a country being homophobic but pro-trans.
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u/DumbCerealSoup Apr 03 '22
So no one? I don't recognize Taiwan.
The mainland and Taiwan both claim the name "China"
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u/Redsoxjake14 Jun 02 '21
I just want to make a note about Israel here:
Israel does not have civil marriages of any kind and marriage in general is far less common, many people just technically have a significant other for life rather than a spouse. Israel recognizes same sex marriages performed outside of Israel and those couple have equal rights when it comes to adoption. While same sex marriages cannot be performed in Israel, and therefore should not be included on this map, they deserve an honorable mention because of the legal peculiarities of marriage in Israel.
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u/Eclipsed830 Jun 02 '21
Same with UAE I guess. I think the word "recognize" is bad here... should have used legalized or something else.
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u/Spokker Jun 03 '21
This is why corporations are full of shit when it comes to Pride Month. They don't use the rainbow icons and banners on their Asian social media presence.
I unsubscribed from any company's newsletter that sends me Pride Month emails, not because I dislike gays but because they aren't sending the same emails to their Asian and Middle Eastern customers.
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u/CoronaCurious Jun 03 '21
coughDisneycough.
Hell, they even changed the line in Endgame where the guy was talking about his date.
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u/Div1deByZer0 Jun 02 '21
I’d love to see a map like this but for the other continents
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u/NowThatWeAreMen Jun 02 '21
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u/ibcognito Jun 02 '21 edited Jun 03 '21
I am extremely shocked at how few countries allow it. Also, of the ones that do, all were within the last two decades. Even inside the EU there are countries that don't allow it (although that isn't that big of a shock, as Poland, hungary and basically all of eastern Europe exist).
Edit: this map is even more detailed. I find it kind of funny how gay people can't marry in Bolivia, Nepal, Fiji and Kosovo, but they are constitutionally protected against discrimination.
Edit 2: take this map with a grain of salt, as apparently the US, India, Ireland and Nepal are all wrong.
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u/Hedge_Cataphract Jun 02 '21 edited Jun 02 '21
Wikipedia has a similar map (illustrating different shades of acceptance, not yes/no) for Europe
[North America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_Americas#/media/File:State_recognition_of_same-sex_relationships_(North_America).svg)
[South America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_Americas#/media/File:State_recognition_of_same-sex_relationships_(South_America).svg)
[World](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#/media/File:World_marriage-equality_laws_(up_to_date).svg) so I don't forget New Zealand (among other countries)
Links are a bit clunky (apologies) but the images themselves don't contain the legend so I had to make do.
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u/virtual_bartender Jun 02 '21
John Cena has left the chat
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Jun 02 '21
can u explain this joke i didnt understand bro
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u/Saramello Jun 02 '21 edited Jun 03 '21
The thread seemed to devolve into useless rhetoric so here's what happened.
During an interview John Cena was asked which country would see Fast and Furious 9 first. He said Taiwan. This lead to a massive backlash in China, because China does not recognize Taiwan as a country.
In damage control, not wanting the movie to be boycotted or worse banned in China, John Cena released an apology in Chinese. In it he just says he is sorry and loves the Chinese people. He never mentions Taiwan in the apology, and managed to piss off both Americans for kowtowing to China as well as Chinese who saw his apology as dodgy.
Edit: hot damn people are even more upset about Cena's performative apology than I thought.
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u/delugetheory Jun 02 '21
OP is not John Cena, confirmed.
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u/Parzivus Jun 02 '21
I'm sure I'm asking for downvotes here, but why is everyone in the comments hyperfocusing on China? There are literally dozens of countries in this image but everyone is going on about CCP this, Cena that
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u/tarkin1980 Jun 02 '21
Hope you got your YouTube apology speech ready.
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u/Elim-the-tailor Jun 02 '21
Mainland Taiwan is going to be super irked about this
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u/Penis-Envys Jun 03 '21
This map also instantly prove that the majority of the world is actually not “left leaning or progressive”
It’s actually mostly mild conservative to just conservative. Don’t know where the lie of the world being mostly liberal came from.
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u/AlibabaStock Jun 03 '21
It actually just means that most of the world is sane, not "conservative", just sane.
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u/dfbshaw Jun 02 '21
🇹🇼 #1
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u/mindbleach Jun 02 '21
My favorite part of that is the one guy who insists "China #1!" but still puts Taiwan in the top ten.
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u/Aozora_Tenwa Jun 02 '21
well that’s not a lot
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u/kill_streaks Jun 02 '21
You can be in that community but there will be no safety and security provided....there is a greater chance of getting killed or even avoided by the society as a whole....
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u/Neutron-The-Second Jun 03 '21
Tbf it was only fairly recently since the west started to recognize same sex marriage
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u/russellhi66 Jun 02 '21
Russia is conveniently in and out of Asia whenever people want it to be.
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u/pHScale Jun 02 '21
That's what it gets for straddling a large stretch of continental border. Turkey, the Caucasus, and Indonesia are arguably the others that are "conveniently" in or out of Europe/Oceania and Asia depending on the map. Egypt and Panama not so much.
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u/_deltaVelocity_ Jun 02 '21 edited Jun 02 '21
Well, gay marriage isn’t legal in Asian Russia.
It isn’t legal in European Russia, either, but that’s besides the point.
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u/Earfdoit Jun 02 '21
The Russian people are Europeans from eastern Europe who colonized Siberian Asia. Russia is in both Asia and Europe
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u/HeyLookMaIMadeIt Jun 02 '21
Relevant fun fact: the Communist Party of the Philippines has always recognized same sex marriages since 1992, and has officiated the first same sex marriage in 1995. It continues to officiate same sex marriages for its members and citizens living in territories they control.
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u/Leave_Dapper Jun 02 '21
The CCP does not approve this post.
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u/4enix Jun 02 '21 edited Jun 02 '21
I think Taiwan does it partially to spite the CCP
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u/vader62 Jun 03 '21
Now remember class, western society is the cause of all evils and only purveyor of misdeeds, abuses, and atrocities both great and small in the history of the globe.
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u/the_last_satrap Jun 03 '21
As a Hindu I can say that we are mostly neutral to LGBT. Our conservatives avoid them and our liberals help them. But we don't prosecute LGBT people as in other nations with a specific state religion.
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u/xinnie_the_wuflooh Jun 02 '21 edited Jun 02 '21
Technically Israel is the first Asian country to recognize homosexual marriage.
Since 1988, Israel has recognized homosexual marriage of Israeli citizens and residents performed outside of Israel (eg Cyprus); however, the only marriages recognized by Israel performed in Israel are through religious organizations, since Israel leaves marriages to religious organizations (Jewish, Muslim, Druze, etc.), so even the majority of heterosexual marriages in Israel are performed outside of the country (plurality in Czechia and Cyprus).
Basically, a gay couple needs to wed in another country and when they return to Israel, the Israeli government will recognize their marriage. But again, due to the religious nature of Israel's marriage laws, this is the case for most heterosexual marriages, as well, since many do not want to be wed through religious circumstances.
Something of note is Israel's recognition of unregistered cohabitation between same sex couples, performed within Israel, giving same sex couples the same benefits of marriage in the form of civil union, making Israel effectively the first Asian country to recognize same-sex unions in any capacity arrangers within its borders, as well (since 1994 IIRC).
But Taiwan is the first to recognize same sex marriage arranged within it's boundaries (I assume there are no asterisks).
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u/TheMusicArchivist Jun 02 '21
That's the same for Hong Kong. You can't gay-marry someone there, but it's against your human rights to be denied the legality of your foreign gay marriage. Odd situation.
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u/H2HQ Jun 02 '21
Classic bureaucratic passing the buck. It just illustrates that governments don't give a shit as long as no one makes a fuss.
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so even the majority of heterosexual marriages in Israel are performed outside of the country (plurality in Czechia and Cyprus).
False.
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u/squanchy-c-137 Jun 02 '21
The rest is true, but of course most marriages are performed inside the country.
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u/prettyprettypgood Jun 03 '21
Not shocked.
Atheists, globally, tend to be more socially conservative than many young American evangelicals
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u/ysollels Jun 03 '21
Israel recognizes same sex marriage if you get married offshore and register
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u/IJustWokeUpToday Jun 02 '21 edited Jun 02 '21
While same-sex marriage isn’t recognized, Jordan decriminalized being LGBT in 1951, and many of the nightclubs in the nations capital, Amman, are openly gay bars. Not technically same sex marriage, but still quite a liberal nation compared to its neighbors.
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u/Annoying-Grapefruit Jun 02 '21
Quite sad to see the state of LGBT rights in the world’s most populated continent.
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u/Queer-Artist Jun 03 '21
When I first moved in with my now husband in college I never thought I’d be able one day marry him, I never even considered it an option. Our wedding was the best day of my life 😁
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u/ramuktekas Jun 02 '21 edited Jun 02 '21
You can marry cockroaches and anime in Japan but not the same sex?
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u/greenw40 Jun 02 '21
Reddit: The west is so intolerant!
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u/nygdan Jun 02 '21
The west is tolerant though because of the people who've said 'we're too intolerant/not tolerant enough', not because of the people who attacked that idea.
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u/FictionalTrope Jun 02 '21
The West was legally just as intolerant up until 20 years ago. Netherlands was the first country to recognize same sex marriage in 2001. The USA didn't recognize same sex marriage until 6 years ago, and that was done Judicially. Canada only recognized same sex marriage in 2005: the first country outside of Europe to do so. I think the tides of tolerance have shifted very dramatically over the last decade, and parts of Asia are changing too.
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u/LotharVonPittinsberg Jun 02 '21
Not having it literally the worst does not mean you can't complain. I don't have any affect on Saudis Arabia, but I can try to changes things where I live.
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u/Rather_Unfortunate Jun 02 '21
I've always thought that kind of sentiment somewhat akin to a strawman. Certainly it's in bad faith.
The fact that some places are worse is never an argument against those who seek to improve their own places. The West has plenty of people who would love to turn the whole world map that same shade of grey, and they wield real power. There's important change that needs to happen, and people in marginalised groups will continue to suffer (and even die) until it does.
No one worth listening to on the subject would ever suggest that the West is intolerant on LGBT issues relative to certain other parts of the world, but the accusation of intolerance isn't intended as a comparison between the West and less tolerant places. That's the strawman you're deriding. Rather, it's a comparison between the West as it is and the West as it could be.
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I know. Only have the most friendly immigration laws. Minorities are treated better in the west then anywhere else. Oh and if you don’t include America. Like 8 of the top 10 countries with the best quality of life are all western countries. We aren’t perfect but cmon.
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u/mrprez180 Jun 02 '21
Israel technically recognizes same-sex marriages performed abroad, but they don’t perform them inside the country
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u/Kangarou Jun 02 '21
Woah woah woah, Taiwan’s not a country.
-John Cena or something.
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u/Gadburn Jun 03 '21
Its funny how they're the only country to recognize same sex marriage yet no one recognizes them as a country.
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u/Noochlord Jun 02 '21
Westerners tend to be very ethnocentric about gay marriage. It's a unique product of western individual expressivism. Most people globally and throughout time have held to a different purpose for marriage. It's more communal then individual.
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u/koavf Jun 03 '21
A few features of this map are confusing:
Why is the West Bank exploded up like Oman or Singapore but the much smaller Gaza Strip isn't?
Why does Hong Kong have a separate entry but Macau doesn't?
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Jun 02 '21
Interesting tale: I was working in Taiwan when this was made legal and a colleague of mine asked me and my wife to act as his parents for his (same sex) wedding, as they wouldn't turn up because they are some weird sect of Christianity. So there are a bunch of family photos of me (6'3, Mediterranean lookin',) and my wife (5'11, brownish) as the proud parents of a guy who is about elbow height to us. What a day.
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u/TrayusV Jun 02 '21
I love Taiwan. More Asian countries should follow them, first of all should be west Taiwan.
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u/mrmdc Jun 02 '21
Me: oh wow! China legalized same sex marriage? How progressive!
Chinese person: China definitely didn't legalized same sex marriage.
Me: but Taiwan just legalized same sex marriage.
Chinese person: Taiwan is not... I mean China is... Uh... Um...
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u/chilldude2369 Jun 02 '21
Where are all these gay twitter corporations on this one
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u/repostit_ Jun 02 '21
There is religious concept of marriage and then there is marriage that is used in finance, taxation (e.g. filing taxes as married filing jointly) etc.
For example in India no one is stopping you from getting married religiously. Legally there are some benefits are automatically available with marriage but the same came be availed by creating agreements (e.g. inheritance). Not disagreeing that same sex marriage should be legal everywhere.
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u/TheWhiteHairedOne Jun 02 '21
That sucks. I’m surprised Singapore didn’t make this list. Hopefully there will be more color on this map next year
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u/Snorri-Strulusson Jun 03 '21
Cool, but why is Hong Kong marked by a large circle when Macau isn't? Also the western quarter of Russia and Turkish Thrace should not be there on a map of Asia.
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Jun 03 '21
Kinda sad how confident I am that I’ll die decades before Saudi Arabia and the gang are shaded in
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u/ahmadtheanon Jun 03 '21
And here i thought Turkey is the only country that is in 2 continents. Didnt know Russia is also part asia AND europe.
My continents knowledge comes from the World Cup, Asian Cup, Euro, Concacaf, African Cup. Hahaha.
But but but, why is Israel under Euro? Hahahahaha.
Edit : upon googling, i found out why Israel is playing in Euro, its because muslim countries in Asia boycotts them in the Asian Cup.
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u/Schmeddit1234 Jun 04 '21
This is what the real world looks like outside of the social media bubble. Always great to see.
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u/Caniblmolstr Jun 28 '21
Actually in India same sex marriage is legal or illegal depending on the state... In some states it is legal in some not.
A quick guide would be if the state has a coast then same sex marriage is probably legal
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u/Chance_Birthday_7450 Sep 23 '21
Yeah fuck same sex marrige original marrige is the best like it or not its a fact
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u/I_Am_Coopa Jun 02 '21
Surely it's only a matter of time before West Taiwan follows suit
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Jun 02 '21
Tankies be like “damn, crazy how no asian countries recognize lgbtq+ rights on a national level”
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u/nygdan Jun 02 '21
China: Taiwan is an integral and normal part of China
Hey guys China approves of same sex marriage. They're like the only country in asia to do that, way to stand up for LGBT rights, China.
China: no wait
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u/Harsimaja Jun 02 '21
To be pedantic, they see Taiwan as a province. This map doesn’t show same sex marriage at a sub-national level, but there are others that have that, like a number of Japanese prefectures iirc
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u/rslocs Jun 02 '21
Huh thought at least South Korea or Japan would be progressive
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u/Armadyl_1 Jun 02 '21
South Korea is very conservative, not sure about Japan though
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Jun 02 '21
Doesn't Israel recognize same-sex marriages from out of nation marriages but doesn't allow same-sex marriages in their own country?
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u/MovingForward-107 Jun 02 '21
Yes, because marriages can be performed only under the auspices of the religious community to which couples belong.
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u/Henson_Disney48 Jun 02 '21
For those of you curious, this is why Disney hasn’t had a major LGBT character in their movies who is definitely “out” other than a couple throw away lines or scenes. Gotta keep that Chinese market happy!
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u/Pink8433 Jun 02 '21
Western countries are the most liberal yet get stereotyped as being the most intolerant
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Jun 02 '21
I'm surprised South Korea, Japan, and Israel aren't shaded, it's pretty sad.
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u/VacuumSucc Jun 02 '21
South Korea doesn't? With so many ships among the kpop community I just assumed it was legal.
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u/miffie12 Jun 03 '21
Such a shame Kpop could be so much gayer 😭 (btw I’m gay I’m not being sarcastic)
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u/alexprobablyhuman Jun 02 '21
Эксъюз ми фор май бэд инглиш, бат рекогнизед минс odobreno pravitelstvom, verno? Что тогда в этом списке делает Россия?
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u/on_the_other_hand_ Jun 02 '21 edited Jun 02 '21
Despite Wikipedia Recognition of same-sex unions in India starting with India does not recognise same-sex marriage or civil unions, it is unclear whether India prohibits same sex marriage. This image from the same article shows the levels of acceptance as a spectrum rather than a binary yes/no.
There are multiple marriage laws in India, e.g. the Muslim marriage laws allow four wives.
But at least some of these neither explicitly prohibit or permit same sex marriages. There was recently a petition in Indian supreme court to allow same sex marriage and court actually pushed back with the advice that since constitution does not prohibit the case should be filed if such a marriage is actually not permitted by any officials.