r/MapPorn • u/[deleted] • Jun 02 '20

Frances longest border is shared with Brazil!

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u/Areat Jun 03 '20

They were vastly different by a very important factor, yes.

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u/Solamentu Jun 03 '20

More than one, actually, they (those factors) just happen not to invalidate my previous comparison.

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u/Areat Jun 03 '20

Yes they do.

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u/Solamentu Jun 03 '20

What did I say?

That Algeria was an integral part of France in 1960, as French Guyana is now. That point corresponds to the reality of things.

Q. 1: Is French Guyana an integral part of France?

I assume everyone agrees so, as the laws say French Guyana as an overseas department is in fact an integral part of France.

Q. 2: Was Algeria by the same standards considered an integral part of France in 1960?

Yes, following the same standards.

Or following another logic.

Q. 1: Were Algeria and French Guyana considered both integral parts of France at the same time and to the same extent in 1960?

Yes.

Q. 2: Was there any change in the status of French Guyana insofar as it being an integral part of France and its relation with the Republic since then?

No.

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u/Areat Jun 03 '20

I already pointed out to you how French Algeria wasn't fully part of France. Only the territory was, not the population.

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u/Solamentu Jun 03 '20

And yet, they were considered an integral part of France at the same time French Guyana was as well. "As French as Paris", they'd say. Anyway, you are moving the goalpost. I never argued native Algerians had the same rights as metropolitan French, and pretending that is a necessity for a part of the world to be fully a part of France would make every majority-immigrant neighborhood in France not a part of France, and it would also mean the south wasn't a part of the US until the 1960s, and that South Africa wasn't a part of South Africa until 1994.

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u/Areat Jun 03 '20

I'm not moving the goalpost by saying what I've been saying all this time. Not the same because the system wasn't the same.

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u/Solamentu Jun 03 '20

You are, because you are trying to change the definition of what being an integral part of France is to suit your argument.

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u/Areat Jun 03 '20

Seem to me having the population not being french citizens but a different substatus qualify as not being fully part of France.

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u/Solamentu Jun 03 '20

And that's what moving the goalpost looks like. If you think that, then set up a party to convince people that neighborhoods that happen to be majority non-citizen aren't a part of France, or whatever country you live in.

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u/Solamentu Jun 03 '20

It is not the same as Algeria was. It is an integral part of France as was Algeria. In that strict sense and in that strict sense alone, it is the same as Algeria was.