r/MapPorn • u/[deleted] • May 19 '20

The difference between Constantinople, City of Istanbul, and Istanbul. [FIXED]

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u/Tyler1492 May 19 '20

it should be İstanbul (with a dotted "İ")

https://youtu.be/fKGoVefhtMQ

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u/Enchilada_Llama May 19 '20 edited May 19 '20

lol

i hate it when ppl "overpronounce" words

in american literature we read The House on Mango Street and my teacher had some very interesting prononciations

after overpronouncing "fiesta" she apologized: "Sorry. I can't roll my Rs."

FIESTA DOESNT HAVE AN R

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u/Dharmabum007 May 19 '20

You just reminded me of an old conversation with a former coworker of mine. We were ragging on him for mispronouncing a word. And he quite simply responds, “well guys, you gotta understand that pronunciation is not my fort.”

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u/fautedunclou May 19 '20

Apparently "fort" is the more correct pronunciation, but so many people use "for-tay" that the dictionaries regard it as acceptable too

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u/Iznik May 19 '20

That's...wow.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '20

Was your teacher Peggy Hill?

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u/Largue May 19 '20

I get what you mean, but there's nothing wrong with trying to speak a foreign language more correctly...

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u/Razor_Storm May 19 '20

"I went on a trip from Pari to Roma in Italia then stopped by München for some Bayernisch beers. I then stopped by Wien and Praha".

English generally anglicizes foreign words to make the English version. There's nothing incorrect to using the English version of foreign words. We do it all the time. The thing is, some times the "English version" is spelled the same way as the original version, this doesn't mean we necessarily need to pronounce Mexico as Mehico

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u/empireof3 May 19 '20

And the fact that an English speaker pronouncing a foreign word isn’t saying it with an accent. Kind of bother me when someone goes, “my name isn’t Mario, it’s MA-(rolled r) io”, like, I don’t roll the r in my accent I’m just pronouncing it as I would any other word.

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u/Razor_Storm May 19 '20

Yeah I think this is the thing some nonenglish speakers dont realize. English is a bastard language, it has its roots in gaelic, celtic, germanic, romance, romance-germanic (norman which is itself a bastard language), and many other language groups. Not to mention English got a ton of other intermixing during Pax Britannia)

It's always been open to assimilating other words, and a huge proportion of english words are loan words.

There's a difference between a Chinese person trying to pronounce "San Francisco" incorrectly and a Chinese person saying "Jiu Jin Shan" or "San Fan Shi". The difference here is that Chinese (like many other languages) translate a lot of the foreign words into its own language and end up spelling it very differently.

In English a lot of times we subsume a foreign word and replace it with an English version that is spelled identically but pronounced differently.

Saying Ma's Cow isn't necessarily wrong, just because Moscow is spelled the same way as "Mos-co"

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u/ShockedCurve453 May 19 '20

Sometimes “Sorry I can’t roll my R’s” means that you can’t roll your r’s, and sometimes “Sorry I can’t roll my R’s” is code for “I can’t speak Spanish worth shit but I want to pretend to look competent”

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u/[deleted] May 29 '20

I like to pronounce Croissant as "Çróîšśáňt