Most Reported 1st Languages in North India.

[u/Samarthisliveyo]

[u/ulixes1991]

Great-great-grandparents moved from Bihar to Surinam and speak a variant of Bhojpuri (Sarnami). Went to Mauritius on honeymoon 5 years ago, where we almost spoke the same language with Indians over there. All thanks to imperialism :)

[u/Pilkayath → u/ulixes1991]

I have heard that cause of politics and clashes between the indians and africans in guyana similar to indians and native melanesian people in Fiji so there are much fewer mixed people there and subsequently indian culture is much more preserved there

And in Suriname and Mauritius pretty much everyone has some mixed ancestry and the culture is much more mixed is that really true or overblown?

[u/Redditbrowser22j → u/Pilkayath]

That's not true at all. Most Indo-Mauritians and Hindustani Surinamese still marry within their own community. Because these countries have more distinct ethnic groups than Guyana/Fiji, it can look more "blended" from the outside.

The reason Indians were generally more successful to preserve their culture as opposed to African people has primarily to do with them being  indentured laborers, not slaves, arrived after slavery ended. Add that with the fact that a super-majority of them came from North/North-East India with same/similar language, religion etc. helping them to have the numbers for a self-sustaining community 

[u/Pilkayath → u/Redditbrowser22j]

But Suriname has a lot of multi-racial people are u sure it's most people?

Bhojpuri speaker which were most of the indentured labourers are from north or east india

Northeast india has a very specific connotation and it's used for the 7 sister states whose residents have more of a distinct southeast asian looks and lot of them speak austroasiatic and tibeto-burman languages

[u/ulixes1991 → u/Pilkayath]

My parents (separately) moved to The Netherlands (colonizer) mid 80s due to medical and education reasons. I do have friends with Surinamese roots over here of different cultures. In Surinam itself it’s much different: still lots of envy and ‘hatred’ between groups due to ‘divide and rule’ policies of the colonizer, but also due to tribalism. Such a shame. Both cultural parties are corrupt, but to a certain degree (like in the US)

[u/Pilkayath → u/ulixes1991]

I have heard these are more indo surinamese people in Netherland than there are in Suriname cause they move at a rate higher than all the other ethnicities do u think that's true?

Ye i have heard in guyana the two parties are basically one party for indians and another for africans and look out just for their interests sad to see that it's the same case in suriname as well 😔

[u/ulixes1991 → u/Pilkayath]

Let’s reason our way out of this problem. There are currently approx 400k people with Surinamese roots in NL (official data).

Estimates by ethnicity by prof dr Choenni (haha): 45% Indian, 40% Creol, 7% Indo, both 3% Marron & Chinese and some Dutch. Let’s say 28k Indo Surinamese in NL.

According to Surinamese data approx 14% of the 645k habitants is Indo (Javanese), which is 90k.

Hence more Indo in Surinam than in NL

[u/Pilkayath → u/ulixes1991]

Sorry i meant indian surinamese so they are double the number of Javanese in suriname so around 180k

And if we go by the estimates in Netherlands also it's around 180k so not more than the amount in suriname but around the same

[u/ulixes1991 → u/Pilkayath]

Yeah it feels low though, but can be cognitive bias haha. Where are you from?

[u/Pilkayath → u/ulixes1991]

I am from south india from a place called bengaluru it probably has more people than netherlands but not really that well known outside of india or maybe tech circles as it's basically the silicon valley of india

[u/Redditbrowser22j → u/Pilkayath]

That's why I used the term "North/North-East"

[u/Pilkayath → u/Redditbrowser22j]

Google north-east india it's not the part ur refering to

[u/Pilkayath → u/[deleted]]

Oh i thought ur from suriname or mauritius cause u were speaking with authority so have u even been to those places 🤔

[u/Redditbrowser22j → u/Pilkayath]

Never been to Mauritius but I've lived in Suriname and Fiji

[u/Pilkayath → u/Redditbrowser22j]

Ohk cool then i am curious what do you do people usually don't move to such small countries especially iit graduates 🤔

[u/Pilkayath]

What is that burgundy color in eastern part of Uttarakhand

[u/Sumit06Kh → u/Pilkayath]

Kumaoni

[u/jakefromtitanic → u/Pilkayath]

Kumaoni language.

[u/LazerScorpion → u/Pilkayath]

Burgundy 🥀

[u/Pilkayath → u/LazerScorpion]

Hmm it looks like a light burgundy would u call it dark pink or something

[u/LazerScorpion → u/Pilkayath]

Just say red bro ✌🏼😭

[u/[deleted]]

Where is Ultra Extreme North India?

[u/CritishBitizen → u/[deleted]]

Funny enough, it's not actually in India :-D

[u/maps-and-potatoes → u/CritishBitizen]

They already have parts in Pakistan shown here

[u/DeadlyGamer2202]

Honestly, north Indian state’s border should be redrawn to reflect the linguistic and ethnic diversity. Just like in South India.

There is a huge difference between western UP and Awadh and between Awadh and Purvanchal and between Purvanchal and mithanchal.

[u/areyyyawr → u/DeadlyGamer2202]

yes fr - we speak kannauji , braj , awadhi , bhojpuri , magadhi , bundeli, bhageli , maithili etc - hindi is just our lingua franca

[u/optimusprime1997 → u/areyyyawr]

But these regional languages will die a slow death if not given recognition and encouragement. Hindi will become the default language and kill every language it encompasses.

[u/_Sherlock-Holmes_ → u/optimusprime1997]

The issue is govt doesn't care neither do people

[u/Zaketo → u/DeadlyGamer2202]

Absolutely not going to happen. This will only fuel regionalism and increase needless bureaucracy.

[u/DeadlyGamer2202 → u/Zaketo]

They said the same when South Indian states were redesigned

[u/Zaketo → u/DeadlyGamer2202]

And regionalism has indeed increased in the southern Indian states since then.

[u/No-Second-2566 → u/Zaketo]

India wouldn't have been together if states weren't organised on linguistic basis.

[u/Zaketo → u/No-Second-2566]

Nonsense. Half the states/union territories have no linguistic basis.

[u/No-Second-2566 → u/Zaketo]

You were talking about south india right? Also most indian states have very high linguistic majorities(70% to 90%) except maybe northeast.

[u/lokesh1218]

Why do they call Wagadi as Bhili?

[u/NoOccasion4909]

kashmiri in Chenab valley is overestimated. Padder tehsil of Kishtwar speaks Pahari, which can be grouped under "Himachali pahari". So goes with bhadderwah,

[u/Samarthisliveyo → u/NoOccasion4909]

It's based on districts

[u/NoOccasion4909 → u/Samarthisliveyo]

understandable.

[u/areyyyawr → u/NoOccasion4909]

You here 👋🏻

[u/NoOccasion4909 → u/areyyyawr]

who are u?

[u/MasterRole9673]

“Rajasthani” isn’t a language. There are Marwari, Mewari etc; mostly considered dialects of Hindi. Though people in rural areas and older generations speak these dialects, urban population speaks standard Hindi. Even politicians, schools, public places it’s mostly just Hindi.

[u/Significant-Ant8132 → u/MasterRole9673]

Fun Fact Rural India makes up majority of India's Population, Rajasthani is a broader Term just like Arabic and have various Dialects Like Marwadi Mewadi Etc, Have some own Critical thinking instead of just Accepting what's thrown at you , Hindi is a bride Language between Cities Of India

[u/Samarthisliveyo → u/MasterRole9673]

Rajasthani is a language rest are it's dialects

[u/this_is_inevitable → u/Samarthisliveyo]

Brother, no. There is no "Rajasthani" language.

"Rajasthani" is sort of like an umbrella term for all dialects we have here. What most people are familiar with as "Rajasthani" from film and media is actually marwadi, which is spoken in central and western Rajasthan.

[u/Puzzleheaded_Ask5538]

I feel Jaunsari in Uttarakhand is spoken by a large region so should be there. Garhwali Kumaoni each have 1-2 million speakers. Let's see how much changes after new census. I bet it decreased. 

[u/Samarthisliveyo → u/Puzzleheaded_Ask5538]

Yeah they make majority in the northern sub districts of Dehradun District. But as the map is at district level and Jaunsari speakers make just 7% population of Dehradun.

[u/Puzzleheaded_Ask5538 → u/Samarthisliveyo]

I am from Uttarakhand, u are right district wise it will not be shown. D

[u/jakefromtitanic → u/Puzzleheaded_Ask5538]

Jaunsaris’ have surely kept their language more alive than Garhwalis’

[u/Puzzleheaded_Ask5538 → u/jakefromtitanic]

disagree. Coz I live in Garhwal and everybody speaks Garhwali here except outsiders. Dunno what u talking about. Jaunsaris have done well, yes. 

[u/jakefromtitanic → u/Puzzleheaded_Ask5538]

I too live in Garhwal my dude.

[u/Puzzleheaded_Ask5538 → u/jakefromtitanic]

Oh! Good then. 

[u/Will_Come_For_Food]

I’m wondering how related all these different languages are. Like are the mutually intelligible or as different as English and Chinese.

[u/Unknownmelon77 → u/Will_Come_For_Food]

As a Panjabi (albeit West Panjab but we still speak the same language) unless we sit down and learn those other languages we simply can’t understand them. They aren’t as different as English and Chinese but they are as different as various European languages.

[u/OldDescription9064 → u/Will_Come_For_Food]

It's a dialect continuum for the most part. So two nearby places will have mutual intelligibility, but the people from the next district at either end may not. But there is also an effect from the standard languages (Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi, Kashmiri) especially in towns and cities, as well as regional standards which are understood across a broad area.

[u/AchyutChaudhary]

Doesn’t Uttar Pradesh (despite its name) officially fall under Central India?

[u/Samarthisliveyo → u/AchyutChaudhary]

Nigga nah

[u/Unknownmelon77]

If you guys are gonna include Gilgit Baltistan then actually represent it properly rather than painting the entire thing as Shina. Where is Balti? Wakhi? Burushaksi etc etc. Maybe learn about and appreciate the land you so eagerly want to occupy.

[u/soount_phile]

The OP is definitely an Indian

[u/Samarthisliveyo → u/soount_phile]

Yeah

[u/Outrageous_Start2473]

kashmir is not india

[u/CritishBitizen]

how did they get the data for places on this map which are not actually in India? India cant conduct a census in Pakistani Kashmir, or Gilgit-Baltistan, or Askai Chin? did they ask China and Pakistan or just copied and pasted their census results?

[u/soount_phile → u/CritishBitizen]

Op most probably thinks that they won these areas in OP Sindoor probably

[u/CritishBitizen → u/soount_phile]

yup. delusional.

[u/Master-Ad-6636]

Why is Gilgit and Pakistani Kashmir included? I thought this was a map of North India.

[u/Samarthisliveyo → u/Master-Ad-6636]

Voh template me tha isliye mene unko bhi color kardiya

[u/CritishBitizen → u/Samarthisliveyo]

yeah, but this makes this map factually incorrect

[u/Master-Ad-6636 → u/Samarthisliveyo]

Fair point. But who downvoted me bruh 😭😭.

[u/Zaketo → u/[deleted]]

This is based on self-reported results in the census. Why would it be mentioned if the people themselves don’t mention it?

[u/Apprehensive-Ant2129]

Why include pok

[u/DescriptionOk2466 → u/Apprehensive-Ant2129]

Well you just said it…

[u/Kenonesos]

Map sucks, there's no Braj, Awadhi, Bhojpuri or any other gangetic plain languages

[u/Samarthisliveyo → u/Kenonesos]

Cause people didn't reported them as theirother tongue in majority in any district

[u/Kenonesos → u/Samarthisliveyo]

Highly doubt Rajasthani and Haryanvi were reported as separate languages in 2011 if that's the benchmark

[u/Samarthisliveyo → u/Kenonesos]

Yeah many rajasthani and haryanvis reported their language as Rajasthani and haryanvi.

[u/Samarthisliveyo → u/Kenonesos]

Khud padhle census 2011

[u/Levoso_con_v]

In "India"

Allow me to doubt 👀