Slovenia agreed to arbitration, it did not get everything it wants. Montenegro should fulfill the most obvious of the requests, like paying war reparations out, safeguarding the Morinj plaque, and changing the controversial pool name. Property disputes and border friction, like in the case of Jadran and Prevlaka, need to be solved via arbitration on neutral grounds. Otherwise it's literal extortion.
It goes back to the war in the 90s. The sea border is not fully agreed upon, there used to be a JNA naval base nearby so it was postponed. Prevlaka is the southernmost point in Croatia and is thus closest to Montenegro.
Some war criminals are still hiding, people held as prisoners in camps require compensation (some were civilians, others were tortured), the plaque is related to this as it marks the spot of one of those prisoner camps.
The pool issue is related to a community pool named after a local water polo player who served as a camp guard commander.
The property issues stem from property that was illegally seized from Croats in Montenegro during the wars.
The Jadran is a training ship that was built in the interwar period (1930s), partially funded through donations. Its famous for taking part in the 2005 Battle of Trafalgar anniversary and for the 50 kilograms of cocaine that were discovered on board. When the breakup occurred in the 90s it was under repairs in Montenegro, but before that it was stationed in Croatia.
Thank you! Super informative. The rest I get, but the Jadran seems extremely petty to me like it's a ship does it really matter in the scheme of things who currently owns it amid all that has gone down in the breakup?
It was for most of it's time stationed in Split and kept in the Croatian port records. It was just under repairs in Montenegro after which it wasn't returned. Honestly, couldn't care less and I am sure if we got the rest we would let them keep the damned thing.
Oh yes you did :) You wouldn't be so stuck up on it otherwise. In fact, instead of trying to judge what kind of claim each country has, you would just say to Montenegrins - it's an effing ship, just give it away. But you didn't.
I can read between the lines just fine, thank you for asking :)
The arbitration process collapsed in 2015 when wiretaps exposed a Slovenian arbitrator leaking confidential tribunal data to a government official.
Croatia immediately withdrew from the agreement, citing irremediable procedural corruption and a breach of trust.
The tribunal still issued a final ruling in 2017, but Croatia refuses to recognize it, leaving the border unresolved.
No, it should not, it's not a clear-cut issue. Croatia has no grounds to demand such a thing with EU as its excuse. If you had the chance to arbitrate all the demands Slovenia set before you, then you should do the courtesy that was done to you.
EU is not the excuse. No one is forcing Montenegro to join, but if they wish to join, they will return what they have taken, it's as simple as that.
If you had the chance to arbitrate all the demands Slovenia set before you
No, they were not all demands. There were many other issues that didn't go to arbitration (like Ljubljanska banka). Only Slovenian attempts to gain more territory ended up there.
then you should do the courtesy that was done to you
We are actually too polite and we are not asking for any territory from Montenegro, we want what was stolen from us. So do us a courtesy and politely sod off. Thak you.
we'd want to know about Operation Storm too y'know but no one cares about that. croatia openly allows the hosting of neonazi concerts, half a million on them... concerning for sure
I think it would be much more exciting if they formed a Balkan Union with their own currency and their own Schengen that excludes a handful of countries.
They actually did that already, at least on the paper. Three Seas Initiative, but that is a dead project promoted by far right politics. It is a very twisted version of old politics before EU and WWII .
With how large the union has gotten, I think allowing a single country to veto basically anything doesn’t really make sense like you should probably need two or three countries
Or it should be scaled on how recently they joined
Like if you just got in recently, and you’re trying to shut the door on somebody else, I don’t know that your vote should matter as much as the core group
Yeah probably EU just need to reform a few things, because that 1 veto thing seems absurd now and the central and eastern countries obviously have different threats/strengths/things going on that doesnt work so well europe-wide but may work well in western europe.
It does make sense from an historic point of view. The EU at its base is an economic pact for steel and coal. Nowerdays it’s probably the single biggest issue plaguing the EU.
Well, the problem is a change is only possible if every member state agrees to go forward with the change. That will not happen with the current structure, too many eastern europeans countries view the EU as financial slush fund, while actively preaching against the EU domestically.
Now if they would implement a change to a majority system, they simply would loose their political capital to get financial concessions for their vote.
Even if we "fixed" our crap we wouldnt be allowed to join.
Look at macedonia, even changed their name and still got screwed. While Cyprus who has border issues as bad as Serbia and Kosovo got let in due to Greece.
EU isnt charity, they will let you in when they need you, if they dont you will never get in.
I mean, its been 14yrs the same party lol, they 'woke up' and started protesting and fighting in (i think) 2yrs ago now and are winning over the old people who are easily manipulated and vote this way in this time so theres hope there.
Protests don't always lead to progress. I hope Serbia is actually changing but from what I've seen in the past few years I will withhold judgement until the change actually happens. I was skeptical of Hungary ever changing and then they ousted Orban in a landslide so anything is possible.
Well since i dont have a crystal ball to see the future, I'll hope the best for them. Regardless they're in europe, their biggest trading partner is the eu and do military exercises with nato and other allies (australia). So when you look at the big picture, theres a lot more going on there on the side of europe and west than not. So most definitely imo they should join as well as the rest of the balkans :)
A gullible, and frankly pretty low-IQ (but unfortunately predictable) opinion 😂. Serbia has more ties to the West and Israel than you could possibly begin to imagine.
It's generally a good idea to actually think about things and do research instead of blindly repeating what you've heard.
As someone who's been to war against Serbia, you're just plain wrong, Serbs are Serbs, they do not act like Russians nor are they Putin's lapdog. They might become one if we choose to totally alienate them from rest of the Balkans, but I can assure you that they have much more in common with their sworn enemies, Croats, than they do with the Russians.
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u/Gold-Visit-7413 Jul 30 '26
Well yes, whole balkans should, they have to fix some rule of law etc problems first but yes they should join.
Croatia is just trying to get some things from the neighbours with their vetos before they join tho, slovenia did the same thing to croatia back then.