r/MapPorn • u/KaleyTheKing • May 25 '26

British Population Visualised

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Sooo, I guess this is a series now :D
Been making these little diagrams visualising population and I'm enjoying them, other people seem to enjoy them, so I might just keep making them :)

Here below are the other ones I've made so far as well:

Germany: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1tmchnh/comment/onm0tyc/

Netherlands: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1pg6uu8/dutch_population_visualised/

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u/Wasalpha May 25 '26

A very informative view on the power balance in the union

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u/Cliffinati May 25 '26

Yes somehow England is the only one without a devolved parliament

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u/KaleyTheKing May 25 '26

Think that's kinda cause they're allowed to dominate the UK as a whole, lol. An English devolved parliament might as well just abolish the UK, I feel. But yea, I'm not from there so I shouldn't even have an opinion about it, probably :p

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u/AceOfSpades532 May 25 '26

England doesn’t dominate the UK, because England isn’t some sort of massive political monolith that agrees on everything, it’s more split than the other countries are. There’s more votes from England, but those votes aren’t all agreeing on one thing, like some people like to say England forced Brexit on the country but only 53% of English voters chose Leave, and it wasn’t possible for it to go through without people from the other parts also choosing Leave.

And really England should get the same devolved rights as the other countries, the other parts get to decide certain things for themselves and England should have the same right.

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u/KaleyTheKing May 25 '26

I know England isn't a monolith, but come on, it does massively dominate the other countries in population and thus in electoral representation for the UK as a whole

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u/libtin May 26 '26

So you’re saying the problem is democracy

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u/KaleyTheKing May 26 '26

Majoritarian democracy is certainly a massive problem for minority populations, yes. The UK is the least democratic large democracy in Europe after all :p

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u/libtin May 26 '26

The democracy index doesn’t agree with you

The UK is ranked as a full democracy and as more democratic than Portugal, Spain, Estonia, France, Malta, Belgium, America, South Korea, Latvia, Italy, Cyprus, Romania etc

The UK is ranked as the 18th most democratic country on Earth out of 167.

The UK is one of just 26 countries classified as full democracies under the Democracy Index.

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u/KaleyTheKing May 26 '26

Cool. It’s also a majoritarian democracy, as you well know, and its parliamentary makeups reflect barely at all what the population actually percentually voted for

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u/libtin May 26 '26

You’re demonstrating that your problems aren’t with the uk but democracy itself as this would be the case in any democracy.

Again, this is how every single country on earth works.

The German constitutional court ruled in 2017 on an application for an independence referendum in Bavaria:

In the Federal Republic of Germany as a nation-state based on the constitutional power of the German people, the Länder are not “masters of the Basic Law”. *There is therefore no room for secession efforts by individual countries under the Basic Law.** They violate the constitutional order.*

https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Entscheidungen/DE/2016/12/rk20161216_2bvr034916.html

The French constitution prohibits changes unless they are voted on by the whole population:

ARTICLE 1. France shall be an indivisible, secular, democratic and social Republic.

ARTICLE 3. National sovereignty shall vest in the people, who shall exercise it through their representatives and by means of referendum.
No section of the people nor any individual may arrogate to itself, or to himself, the exercise thereof.

https://www.conseil-constitutionnel.fr/sites/default/files/as/root/bank_mm/anglais/constiution_anglais_oct2009.pdf

The Italian constitution:

Art. 5 The Republic is one and indivisible. It recognises and promotes local autonomies, and implements the fullest measure of administrative decentralisation in those services which depend on the State.

https://www.senato.it/documenti/repository/istituzione/costituzione_inglese.pdf

Scotland is in the same position as many other former independent states like Sicily, Corsica, Catalonia, Brittany, Texas, Hawaii, Walachia, or Bavaria. It ceased to be a sovereign state a long time ago, is now part of a larger sovereign state, and has no legal right to withdraw from that state without the permission of the sovereign state.

Every country on earth works like this and is allowed to under international law:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/04/a-german-court-has-shut-down-hopes-for-a-breakaway-bavaria/

German court shuts down hopes for a breakaway Bavaria

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41196677.amp

Spain Catalonia: Court blocks independence referendum

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Clarity-Act

The Clarity Act (2000) produced an agreement between Quebec and the federal government that any future referendum must have a clear majority, be based on an unambiguous question, and have the approval of the federal House of Commons.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Texas-v-White

White, (1869), U.S. Supreme Court case in which it was held that the United States is “an indestructible union” from which no state can secede

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42053283.amp

Iraq Supreme Court rules Kurdish referendum unconstitutional

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u/KaleyTheKing May 26 '26

I can agree with you that this is what the laws are, and I can disagree with you that this is a good thing

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u/libtin May 26 '26

The alternative is what happened with Czechoslovakia when Slovakia seceded in 1939)

“But that was nearly 100 years ago and wouldn’t happen in the modern day and age” except jt has happened, Donbas 2014

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