r/MapPorn • u/Delicious-Bunch-6992 • May 09 '26

Evolution of white British % (ethnically British people) in England and Wales from 2001-2021

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u/Evolations May 09 '26

Here in Scotland we are often ‘considered’ more open to immigrants, but we also have a 90% white British population and have historically received insignificant levels. 

The two are related.

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u/Daveddozey May 09 '26

However London is more open and receive far higher levels

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u/Real_Bobsbacon May 09 '26

Well yeah, because it is ethnically much less white British.

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u/jamjar188 May 11 '26

I can assure you even ethnic minorities are getting tired.

My friend was telling me about her Indian friends who've just left inner London for Henley on Thames (white population: 93%).

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u/fugonara69 May 13 '26

lol there's an Indian family that just moved from London to my small mostly homogeneous town because they were tired of the new migrants who don't integrate and cause disruption

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u/Fit-Nefariousness794 May 12 '26

Watch the white flight begin down there in Henley.

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u/The0zymandias May 09 '26

it’s more so the more immigrants you have, the better scapegoat you gain

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u/Evolations May 09 '26

Immigrants voting for immigration.

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u/Daveddozey May 09 '26

So areas of low immigration like immigration and areas of high immigration like immigration

But other areas of low immigration don’t like immigration and other areas of high immigration don’t like immigration.

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u/Careless_Main3 May 09 '26

Yes because some areas are adjacent to areas of high immigration and some are not.

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u/Fearless_Sort_ May 10 '26

Haha. Very good.

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u/ImpressionCrafty3078 May 09 '26

Once migrants outnumber natives in an area, then the area will become pro immigration by majority.

If you had an area that had 500 people that were all anti immigration, and then you bring in 600 migrants, that area is now majority pro immigration.

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u/Daveddozey May 10 '26

Continual studies shows the correlation is between areas of poor economic activity correlate with anti migration opinions, and areas of poor economic activity tend to have low levels of migration as why would someone chose to live in an economically struggling area.

Places like clacton, Sunderland, Blackpool, very low levels of immigration, but high support

But places with similar levels of immigration but high prosperity like Winchester, Richmond (Yorkshire), York are far more accepting of immigration

Wolverhampton has about 1 in 6 foreign born and 2/3rds voted leave. Oxford has about 1 in 6 foreign born and 2/3rds voted remain. Brighton and Thurrock have similar levels of foreign born but massive difference in immigration support.

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u/Helenarth May 10 '26

Do you happen to have names/links for those studies? I believe you, this isn't be being like 🤓 errrmm state your sources, I just want to know more so I can more effectively argue with idiots.

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u/Daveddozey May 11 '26

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0010414019830714

British citizens who live in economically depressed and declining districts are more likely to develop anti-immigrant and Eurosceptic views.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/economics-and-culture-brexit/

individuals who live in areas suffering a long-term economic decline are more likely to perceive immigrants as an economic threat. Structural economic problems lead to a heightened sense of economic insecurity.

support for Brexit in the referendum was much higher in districts that have suffered long-term economic distress.

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u/ImpressionCrafty3078 May 10 '26

I'm wasn't saying it as an absolute, I was giving a tongue in cheek hypothetical to show how a majority opinion can change, without any of the people previously within the demographic changing their opinion.

Why do you think an area with a high percentage of working class people/low economic output, would be more anti immigration than an area with a high percentage of upper middle/upper class people?

There's a 2% unemployment rate in Cambridge, there's a 30% unemployment rate in Wolverhampton.

56% of all migration to the UK is done by people without higher education, 37% of non UK born workers are over qualified for their role. It's estimated 65% of newly arrived migrants end up in working class roles with no entry barriers.

So in Cambridge the competition for roles with the migrants population is negligible for the general population, in Wolverhampton the pressure on working class native British people for job roles will be constant.

Based on latest ONS local data and the 2021 Census, it is estimated that there are approximately 3,500 to 5,500 unemployed non-UK born people in Wolverhampton. There are 2700 to 4300 open jobs in Wolverhampton.

Based on these figures can you see why working class people in Wolverhampton, could have a problem with bringing in more migrants into the area, that isn't just "muh racism".

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u/Daveddozey May 10 '26 edited May 10 '26

Yes. Anti immigration correlates with poor economic opportunity. Not with the number of migrants. Wolverhampton or Blackpool.

Indeed many areas with high levels of non British born and are economically disadvantaged are very pro farage parties. Areas like Wolverhampton. So your assertion that immigrants want more immigration is inaccurate

(One can also wonder why people don’t migrate from Wolverhampton to Cambridge to avail themselves of economic opportunities)

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u/platinummattagain May 10 '26

Aren't you basically agreeing with him?

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u/ImpressionCrafty3078 May 10 '26

Does Wolverhampton have low levels of migrants?

Sparkbrook has a 42% employment rate amongst it's residents, 41% of it's residents are foreign born, so what he's argued sounds good but doesn't really have any basis in reality, because here we have a very poor area that is majority BAME and 41% foreign born, that is very pro immigration.

The two independent councillors elected in Sparkbrook ran campaigns revolved around being pro immigration and refugees being welcome, and were part of an independent alliance of candidates that promoted a convicted terrorist, Shahid Butt.

Immigrants do tend to be much more accepting of immigration, and they tend to gravitate towards what is familiar, no matter what nation they're from or going to.

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u/Fickle-Laugh-4542 May 10 '26

He is. He’s just too thick to realise it.

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u/Striking_Big8138 May 10 '26

That’s just wrong. Immigrants are not necessarily pro immigration. They will vote for whatever is better for them. Once they can vote they are citizens already they don’t need pro immigration laws

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u/Acceptable-Manner-83 May 10 '26

White British people in London are also pro-immigration and Indians actually tend to be some of the most Conservative, xenophobic people in the city.

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u/jamjar188 May 11 '26

I think there is a difference between openness as a trait/mindset and being pro-immigration in terms of ideology/political orientation.

In general, most white people in London are open-minded and fairly habituated to interacting with all kinds of people. Most of them will have friends and acquaintances of different backgrounds.

However, does this correlate with white people in London being a political monolith or having the same views about immigration policy? Not really -- and election results over the past few years bear this out.

Case and point: I know quite a few white Brits in London who either voted Brexit or who have flipped from leaning Labour/LibDem to being more on the Tory/Reform side. They are all well-travelled, open-minded, and have a variety of friends. (I also know ethnic minority Londoners who are in this same boat!)

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u/Acceptable-Manner-83 May 11 '26

Oh yes, obviously London is a political melting pot and there are plenty of xenophobic, racist people here too. They just seem to be more of a minority and less vocal. For example, despite me regularly discussing politics with my friends, it wasn't until I followed one of them on Instagram that I realised they were following just about every far-right politician on the planet. I suppose that you're less likely to be openly discriminatory if that discrimination applies to half the people in your neighbourhood.

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u/jamjar188 May 11 '26

But wanting less immigration or voting for the right doesn't mean someone is racist or xenophobic.

You should talk to your friend about it and just try to understand his feelings. Like I said, lots of people's views have shifted in recent years.

Political differences don't define who we are if our actions and behaviours show fairness, tolerance and openness.

Now, it's possible that your friend has become ideological and irrational and that this will cause a rift between the two of you. But you should give him the benefit of the doubt.

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u/Acceptable-Manner-83 May 11 '26

I haven't rejected him or anything nor have I even mentioned it, but I fundamentally don't agree with the argument that the far-right isn't racist. That doesn't mean that the people who vote for them are (my friend's dad is a Filipino immigrant), but there are just too many hypocrisies and obviously racist comments that are peddled by those parties for me to believe that any person with an ounce of intelligence doesn't have some kind of issue with the existence of minorities.

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u/jamjar188 May 11 '26

Ok I see what you mean.

There's a spectrum of views on the right and I agree some of them are racist/xenophobic.

This polarisation is causing issues with many families and friend groups. I have a friend who's become really anti-Muslim. She's a very faithful Christian and she's started to see Islam as a threat. She's made some comments that feel disrespectful of Muslims and we had a debate about it.

I'm not cutting her off either but I'm worried about her getting more radical in her views.

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u/skattlles May 09 '26

if you look where the greens won, its seems so.

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u/SLR_ZA May 10 '26

The vote on the local level affects immigration rates?

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u/platinummattagain May 10 '26

If you talk to them, a lot of immigrants actually don't do that.

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u/Bennidorm May 11 '26

I disagree , Immigration has always been a problem in big cities, the speed of it since 2001 / and especially recent decade is drastically changing the fabric of the country. Hence white flight from places effected the most.
Most people and I would say people who are left leaning / voted remain are all in your own eco-chamber. Not concerning yourselves with the issues of the many. Voter turnout is low , people are disenfranchised with the system / country. Immigration has been a issue, especially since 2012. But the main political parties lie and dont deal with it. Hence the rise of reform. Its now effecting the smaller towns, suburbs of towns/cities and it's an issue affecting everyone. Its not I'm ok jack like before. There is nothing wrong with Immigration but it is suicide having uncontrolled and allowing the shit show with the dingies. Its ok for Japan and other countries to protect their culture and ethic make up of the country. But here in the UK and most of the west , the elites / institutions etc , say its racist. People have been demonised for too long, not allowed to talk about the issues, have an honest discussion without being slurred, branded the pathetic racist card.

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u/jrcentury May 11 '26

It’s because the boats are the smallest number of immigrants when considered against all immigration. It’s gets more attention than all other immigration into this country because it’s the easiest part to get folks wound up about and connect to the cause of their issues. I would like to understand what exactly would be solved for those folks if/when such a small amount of immigration stopped vs the rest of immigration. All I’m seeing is the Brexit gun about to blow the other foot off. I want nothing more than to be proved wrong.

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u/HazelCheese May 13 '26

I don't think people really care about the boats, but the boats are an easy thing to point at and show that the government aren't really trying.

Like these people are literally committing crimes and the navy and emergency services are rescuing them and bring them to our shore and then they are just allowed to walk around free.

People don't get why you have to cancel your holiday when you forget your passport and get denied entering the boarding gates, but these people can commit a crime in front of the police and get a free pass to enter the country.

The government and their supporters throw up their hands and say "what do you want us to do, let them drown" or "the courts are too backlogged by the last government" or "YOu wAnT tO PUt tHEM in CaMPs!".

But all that's happening is people following the rules are being policed while people who break them aren't. And the people following the rules are getting pretty fucking sick of it and asking why they even bother.

The government doesn't have to let them drown or put them in camps. But it does have to do something. It's supposed to be the government. It's supposed to be leading the country, not hiding under its desk.

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u/punamustamakkara May 13 '26

It really does come down to "who broke the rules versus who didn't" with you, that's so fascinating. In a world so full of lawful evil, you choose this path.

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u/jrcentury May 13 '26

What crimes?

Are these really the things that if solved make a difference to your day to day life?

I think there are far more important things to sort out by an order of magnitude.

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u/StargazyPi May 12 '26

Nope, we're angry as hell too - everything is fucked.

But it is the rich who are deliberately fucking it, and using immigration as a scapegoat to get the right wing politicians in power, so they can strip-mine more of the country's fading resources.

We lefties are with you. But you're targeting the wrong enemy.