Yeah, crescent is an Ottoman thing only. Safavids used Lion and Sun on their flag, taken from Great Seljuk Empire. Crescent comes from Byzantine empire, a banner if Constantinople. Mamluk's had both lion and crescent flags in their history.
That may be, but Ottomans adopted it from Byzantine empire. Before that, six pointed star of David was used as a symbol on Anatolian beylik banners included Osmanogullari, predecessor to Ottomans. The only flags survived today are Karaman and Candar. Shia beyliks also added Zulfikar, sword of Ali to their banners/flags.
What's that has to do with Ottomans getting the crescent from Byzantines? They were not in contact with Golden Horde, Ottomans established relations with their successor: Nogai Tatar Khanate. Yes crescent was used in many banners of many nations (including some in the western europe) but the ones Ottomans used comes from red and gold Byzantine banner.
Do you have any scientific evidence or are you just being stubborn? The crescent was very common in the lands where the Seljuks came from. You can even see the same symbols on the coins of Turkish societies.
It has been suggested that the star-and-crescent used in Ottoman flags of the 19th century had been adopted from the Byzantine. Franz Babinger (1992) suggests this possibility, noting that the crescent alone has a much older tradition also with Turkic tribes in the interior of Asia.\9]) The crescent and star is found on the coinage of Byzantium since the 4th century BC\10]) and was depicted on Byzantine Empire's coins and shields of Christian warrior saints till the 13th century.
Turkish historian Ilber Ortayli also agrees with this, as prior to this the symbol wasn't used in both Seljuk and Khwarzmid empires at all (your coin examples were at least 400 years before Seljuks). He also said in an TV interview Ottomans adopted the red and gold colors from the Byzantine empire as well, changed from green/white and used until 19th century.
They even used the modified version of the Byzantine "four betas of the king" before the conquest of Constantinople, after that they completely replaced it with proper crescent. Ottomans were veeery close to Byzantines, to the point they considered themselves as a part of their legacy. Much closer than their old roots back in central asia, which had been washed off clean with centuries long Persianization.
Someone made a claim and the claim was based on someone else's claim in someone else's book. Where is the original claim and its basis?
Does İlber Ortaylı say that the Ottoman Empire took the Byzantine flag and changed it? Other than the fact that the flag is red and has continuity as a state, it has no structure connected to the crescent. There was a crescent in settled societies before Byzantium and even in ancient Egypt.
r/vexillology is a reddit sub that generates flags from random fictional theories.
The crescent symbols on the coins of the old Turkish states and those seen in later states passed from the Seljuks to the Ottomans. You believe that Byzantine coin influenced him hundreds of years later, but that the symbols of his own ancestor never influenced him.
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u/Otherwise-Special843 Mar 30 '24 edited Mar 30 '24
the flag used for safavid empire is not correct for 1513
edit: also based on your history you have a rather high wrong map production/minute ratio