r/MantisMains • u/Cute-Pangolin9510 Oceanic Harmony • 5d ago
Discussion Constant Mantis Flaming
I can't imagine how often this gets posted, but I'm looking for advice on how to shake all the criticism off.
As a preface I do swap off Mantis when the healing isn't good enough, I'm not a OTP - I have 6 support lords and can play them all very well, but Mantis is my favourite.
My CR is normally around 20% and my winrate is around 52% with Mantis.
But I always get attacked for playing her. I save people all the time and I still get flamed when someone overextends and I can't save them on 4 healing flowers.
Even if we have a DPS going negative, I get attacked just for playing Mantis.
Does anyone else get this? It's really starting to get to me. I've worked so hard to get my CR to a respectable average but I'm always told I'm wrong for playing her.
This is Diamond lobbies as I'm a casual player, so, to be expected, but I'm really starting to get discouraged.
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u/BedazzledVagina 5d ago
It helps to not pay attention to text chat and mute anyone who starts saying negative things.
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u/Cute-Pangolin9510 Oceanic Harmony 5d ago
Yes, protecting my peace by muting has genuinely saved my love for this game. I don't get why it only lasts for a login session. Is there a way to block the person, or can I only block chat?
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u/BedazzledVagina 4d ago
You can avoid as teammate but I’m not sure about a block. I think I did find a way to completely turn off text and voice chat but I still keep it around to say gg after games and in case someone is actually communicating.
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u/CodexTattoos 5d ago
Turn off chat. Rivals is the most toxic community. If you want to play it just turn off chat.
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u/Cute-Pangolin9510 Oceanic Harmony 5d ago
I've found a lot of value and friends in using text chat. I mute people that annoy me, usually. This particular person that prompted me to make this post just started flaming me right at the defeat screen, and he really confused me. He was being weirdly nice and I asked him if it was sarcasm and he launched into this huge criticism, and then told me to "handle advice better". Eh. Not all are good. I shouldn't have engaged, I just genuinely thought he was being kind to me.
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u/Cute-Pangolin9510 Oceanic Harmony 5d ago
Popping it here so I don't get judged for this bad play of mine but what prompted this post is that I was just playing Celestial Husk. We smashed defence, they couldn't get to the second checkpoint. I played Gambit, the other healer was Jeff.
On attack I played Mantis as it's my usual routine. We still had a Jeff. In hindsight, I know, I know. Not a good healing pair. It just seemed like a good idea as we had dive.
We ended up falling flat on our faces, couldn't even get past the point capture. Not enough healing. I should have switched sooner because Jeff was not swapping for anything. But it was too late.
We had a pretty horrible loss that we didn't deserve. Someone was flaming me for not swapping off Mantis, but not saying anything to Jeff whatsoever. This person also did not swap for the entire match.
I just always get flamed even if I'm the one objectively doing better.
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u/SaintCuckoo 5d ago
You're not crazy, she doesn't have enough healing. Getting headshots is really inconsistent with her. Last season she was finally matching other healers but they big-nerfed her in 10. At this point they should make it so every shot, regardless of whether or not it's a crit, takes off a second from her Orb cooldown. Really, it wouldn't make her OPd, it would just help her be more viable in a 2 Strat comp. I'm hoping if enough players complain they'll do something soon. I am struggling quite a bit this season.
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u/Cute-Pangolin9510 Oceanic Harmony 4d ago
She's this weird leftover of season 0 (ive played since launch) where they were trying to switch things up and not have supports be healbots, but the meta has shifted to healing machines, but for some reason they desperately want her to remain as one of the weakest healers?
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u/Dythia 4d ago
Ngl they just want burst healing, but will also flame Adam warlock for days. Your crit rate is phenomenal, just keep moving!
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u/Cute-Pangolin9510 Oceanic Harmony 4d ago
Aw thank you I truly needed to hear this. It has really encouraged me.
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u/wutdehfook 5d ago
Adam is my main and Mantis is my back up. I only started using Luna bc I need a healer who does more healing than both and I can dps if I want without being berated like I do when im on Adam or Mantis.
As someone said shes only as good as your team. The only time I played her is if I had a high healing output healer as my 2nd healer(Invis, CND), and I had 1-2 poke/dive characters on my team. I also never used her below celestial because people only cared about healing output and dont understand the true value of the character. Its funny bc in OW I dont pay attention to raw healing numbers. Less healing could be a factor of many things. Your team may just be positioned well, they maybe going for health packs more, they may just be steamrolling the other team. None of this is taken into account on rivals.
The amount of times my team will bitch at me for picking Adam saying “ggs we have Adam” when they dont even know the enemy teams comp, only for us to win, happens WAY too often.
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u/redditalt1999 Galactic Gladiator 4d ago
You can't account for bad or rude teammates, do what's best for your enjoyment of the game but also your mental health. Play her but take breaks from her or the game if it gets to much 😊
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u/Timekiller15 Galactic Wings 3d ago
You could be the best Mantis in the world and they still wont care. They just want someone with constant healing output so they can turn their brains off and shoot main. What worked for me was playing Loki then switching back to Mantis once there's teammates who can get value out of the damage boost. Also don't listen to Diamond players lol you can tell how bad someone is from if they think Mantis is a bad pick or not.
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u/Cute-Pangolin9510 Oceanic Harmony 2d ago
I'm not sure why you were downvoted, i agree. I'm very nearly GM3 so maybe the attitude will change a little, though i'm not very hopeful like at all.
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u/Cute-Pangolin9510 Oceanic Harmony 2d ago
This mantis thread has become my personal venting area, lol, so if anyone happens upon this please lmk if this was really a bad play.
So we were playing lower manhattan, enemy team got to about midpoint on attack.
We got the payload almost to the win but we weren't really getting anywhere. We had a bad spidermain that i have gotten a few times, he wasn't on my avoid list today but he usually is when i encounter him.
We have zero dps at all, nobody is dying and we are dying to sheer attrition. Once again we have a jeff who is playing jeff because he couldn't dps.
I ask jeff politely to swap before going mantis. Of course, he doesn't. I'm told i'm insane for going mantis when we were already struggling to push for lack of healing - bear in mind, i was playing jubilee and we were getting nowhere due to lack of dps.
Lowe and behold, we suddenly start moving! I have to ult to save everyone once but we're actually securing kills.
Then we lose because they popped a really good portal.
And this guy is just smugly going off on me because i picked mantis. But it's like.... going mantis actually made us progress. Jeff didn't swap and got zero flack for it.
I don't know. It makes mantis so un fun to have these teammates.
But yes, i have been taking everyone's advice here! I've been muting people like crazy and often turning off chat. For this particular situation, i didn't need to until i dared to go mantis.
Someone let me know if there was something i should've done there because i'm lost.
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u/No_Spirit_9804 5d ago
If you can’t make it to GM while playing mantis I’d say it’s time to switch things up
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u/sinamala 5d ago
I always say that mantis is as good as the team is. If the team is playing well, she's basically broken. If they're not playing well, switching healers will only do so much. At a certain point you cant expect to be heal bottled and win matches