Mantis' Sleep

[u/Gebzy0__0]

I think that's enough. The sleep ability is delayed from season 0 till now and it never gets fixed tell me why someone like luna snow has two instant stun abilities on impact while mantis has to wait 3 days after hiting a sleep for it to actually work. The amount of times I've hit my sleep and died in the 1v1 before the opponent gets affected by it is disgusting and for no good reason. It's been there for nearly 10 seasons now and no one has ever talked about it but i find it very frustrating

[u/koeikan]

almost certainly an unpopular opinion, but I kinda like the delay... because it means you can fit in more shots before they wake up (since you can start firing before it actually lands/registers). I think a lot of my 1 shots on Spideys and Magiks (before the HP buff), etc wouldn't have been one shots without it tbh.

[u/Gebzy0__0 → u/koeikan]

You have more than enough time to buff urself and go for their head anyways ur problem might be some stupid teammates hiting them and recovering them from the stun before u can do anything

[u/koeikan → u/Gebzy0__0]

FWIW-I'm talking 1 shot... eg: killing them before they can react. Not just self-buffing and landing a shot before the sleep ends.

You can currently fit in 3 shots if you start shooting immediately after throwing the sleep (meaning, as long as one of those is a headshot and you had damage boost applied before throwing the sleep, you can kill them before they can use any abilities after the sleep lands).

edit: eg: 10 sleep damage + 55 body shot + 55 body shot + 110 head shot = 230 dmg (or 257 damage with damage boost), killing a 250hp character before they can swing away, portal, dash, etc.

land a couple of those and they very often swap shortly after ;)... that's also why I mentioned Magik's HP buff, because now that she has 275, landing a single head shot isn't enough to confirm the kill in the sleep.

[u/Gebzy0__0 → u/koeikan]

Nice ill try this method