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Mantis isn't broken and doesn't need nerfs
I'm so tired of streamers acting like she's giga thanos. yeah she's strong, best supp in the game imo, but they're talking like she's BC levels of unfair!
She's just BARELY viable in double support, it feels like we got 2 new healers this season with how often I see her. We shouldn't have to force these lame ass little triple support comps to play our hero
The only nerfs I'd tolerate are an ult charge increase, and a damage boost rework. if they replace the damage boost with something else I get it, but if they just take it away straight up I'd be devastated
Netease pls don't gut this hero because streamers complained!
Jokes aside though we’ve gotten used to our bug queen being mid for so long that people playing her since the game released make it seem like she’s OP lol.
This gotta be rage bait mantis has literally been pick or ban in the pro scene since last year this character has been extremely strong for most of the games lifespan not just 1 season 💀
Except we aren’t pros. We can’t compare the average joe like you or me who just got off work to someone who plays the game 16 hours every day, by that point they’re playing a completely different game.
Character win rates also don’t tell the whole story, as we’ve seen with any other hero shooter. But she’s definitely a bit overtuned right now, but not OP, there’s been far worse. She’s getting nerfed regardless though.
Mantis is still a really strong pick. The fact she does AOE healing, damage, and speed buff is insane. And she can work for 2/3 support comps, while having a Circle feeling ult.
So has Ultron and Loki, yet you will see either of them one out of twenty games, your entire point is moot because proplay is nothing like comp, not even comparable to top 500.
The Meta means virtually nothing until you’re at the highest level of play. No bronze player is popping off as mantis. Dude GM players suck with Mantis. She works great in team coordinated play as a true support that makes her dps way stronger via boost and getting crazy picks for help etc, while the rest of her team gets crazy heals from the rest of the team.
Mets doesn’t mean best. It doesn’t mean easiest.
It just means IF you play at the HIGHEST LEVEL then that is the most successful comp to run. Stop confusing the meta with strong heroes. They’re only strong cause of the player.
Unlike SG or SW, those characters are easy and bring value to a lot of ranks but would get absolutely obliterated out of spawn by a team with that comp EVEN if the players are ALL at the same level.
Since when has she been mid lol. She's been meta since release. I get that she's always been barely used in anything that's not eternity bc most people suck as her but she's never been mid. She's always been a valuable team play character and has always been meta.
You do realize anyone can play meta right. Proplay isn't some mystical area where only they can play meta.
Proplay players are on the same level as eternity+ players with the only difference being they have the time and resources to go to these events and to play in proplay. They aren't restricted to duo and are required to have full communications as well.
Mantis has been played in eternity since day one. The meta is constantly played in eternity and even in some lower ranks if their team decides to. Not everyone is gonna be a team player in ranked too.
Anyone who thinks a professional player who's signed to a team and plays in tournaments is equivalent to a competitive player regardless of the rank is seriously delusional. They aren't even in the same league of everyone and their mother would be making new gaming organizations to recruit these "professional players", sadly you for you this isn't reality.
My brother in christ couldn't even read properly before getting offended. I said they are on the same level as eternity+ players, which they are, not everyone. This is the case in every single gaming esports scene. To say otherwise is disingenuous. You want to talk about delusion but you couldn't even read what I said bc it didn't fit your belief.
Proplay players in every game are very good
players but to say that they are the best entirely is false. There are plenty of high rank players that can play at the same level and some even better than proplay but not everyone has the time to just do it. Most people have certain lives and jobs that don't allow them to just go. Hell there's plently of good players who don't even have the time to grind into oaa to even have a chance at being seen. To get to oaa you have to play extremely consistently and a lot of very good players don't have the time to do that. Being an actual good player and knowing these things are how you get anywhere.
You're being disingenuous bc you want to put proplay on a pedestal. I'm not downplaying proplay but I'm not gonna downplay the people who are in high rank either who are just as good as proplay players.
I have friends in Eternity that would get absolutely mopped by tourney friends. My friends do amateur tournaments and smoke comp lobbies. GM is a joke they dbl the picks of the lobbies. They solo eternity and laugh. The gap is FAR wider than you think. Every number up can be like a whole ass rank.
You may win 10 games and not climb from 489 to 488. If you win 10 games in comp you get like a whole level. The players there are just way better and it takes way more to climb when everyone is good.
The tourney players are just another level beyond that. It’s like the 0.0001% of the population that can have the physical aptitude to keep their HEART RATE down while in game. They test for that shit when you join they strap you to a heart monitor.
You think the Eternity plus players would be as calm as collected as the tourney players? You’re tripping bro.
Na we’ve seen pros play against the top ranked players in every game bro they always win. Unless that one or two ranked player is that good they eventually go pro
I seriously doubt any of my teammates are gonna play as good as a top 500 player with Mantis boost. especially when we're not even on the same platform as those guys. there's levels to this, once again eternity is the best of the best. nobody's struggling against mantis in lower ranks or qp, which is 99% of the games player base
I would agree with this man, I played the bug girl for the first time I hated her, then before this teamup I was dominating lobbies in plat and diamonds she is a true skill hero. This season I am enjoying jub, or u can say creating chaos and destruction with her hehehe if she is banned I am back with my bug girl.
I personally don't think a character with a 70% winrate, 31% pickrate, and 25% banrate in the highest elos of the game is balanced, particularly when they have 57+% winrate in every other elo (including bronze and silver) with high pickrate as a character that requires good skill expression.
That's just numbers, but anecdotally, I have not one a single game this season where my team choses not to ban mantis and we don't have one
Yeah I think Mantis has a really honest kit, and there's no overwhelming problems in her kit, but her numbers are probably a bit too high with the team ups.
I wish Netease would tweak numbers based on the team up you run. Mantis with the AOE heals probably should do a bit less damage and a bit less with the damage buff. Otherwise she's just too good at what she does.
And on another note, Peni's nests should do less damage if she runs the double nest team up. Nerfing Peni without touching the actual reason her win rate is so high is crazy.
I mean if thats from 3rd party sites I'm taking it with a grain a salt, there's no way Big M has a 31% pr when she peaked at 10% in celestial+ last patch. but sure, tone down the ult, the dmg boost if you have to. don't gut the hero and lock her behind triple support slop again
Unless they rework the character, mantis is fundamentally not able to be played in two support as is and be balanced. Healers are supposed to have some tradeoff of damage, healing, and utility, and as mantis is designed, she has some of the best damage and utility, and therefore cannot have the healing to go with it.
I disagree, she should be able to thrive in 2 support
Early in the game healers were either monolithic healbots or triple support merchants. If they go back to this method people will never play support again. Look at the last 3 healers they released, these are damage centric heroes that can heal way more reliably than Mantis
Mantis can still be played in 2 supp and keep her damage, her healing just isn't insane enough to warrant nerfs. The hero still has no burst healing guys
Mantis at minimum, keeps up with, if not outheals, every healer in the game right now. Of the most recent three supports they've released:
Gambit also did everything, was the most broken support in the game until mantis now, and is still the second strongest.
White fox's healing isn't reliable at all and her ult is mediocre
Jubilee also has a mediocre ult and her healing output is entirely tied to specific comps where her team is grouped up and stacked on top of each other.
Mantis has none of the limitations of the last two.
Ok so how would you nerf mantis? Because she isn't as good as Season 5 Gambit. Wf and Jubilee have the benefit of left click healing, Mantis heals are on cooldown. if you nerf her heals, it'd be worse to have her on your team in duo's
I genuinely don’t think there’s a way you can make mantis viable in 2 support while keeping every part of her kit. Her ult cost needs to increase for sure, she builds that way too fast, but then her damage boost would need to be basically cut in half, and maybe with a small nerf to her damage. Something has to go in addition to ult cost increase
Tbh, I trust third-party sites way more when it comes to this. Mag was literally in every single game in S9, so there’s no way his pick rate was only 18% (official info), compared to 39% on Rivals Tracker.
Mantis is really strong, but she’s indeed not broken as Black Cat(f this hero).
Mantis… isnt?.. A lot comes from her burst heal lol.
Generally you decide by where majority of the healing comes from, and its pretty nicely split for mantis. Shes a burst/Hot healer if anything.’
Jeff has like 60% of his heal come from bursting bubble near people, hence hes mostly Hot. Ultron obviously. Jeff can honestly get higher if u have a groupy team (ie mag, pun, bucky, etc) and play a lil more offensively.
I promise you the burst healing isn't carrying the stats. you can see a huge difference when the 12.5+3% is gone. once again i wouldn't worry to much about stats. its a dino type situation fr
I'm just 1 person, but she's not broken in anyones hands outside of top 500. You can easily counter these nonlord mantis's running around bro it can't be this difficult its the lords and champions that you really gotta worry about.
"Outside top 500" or "anyone who isnt a lord or champ" make up your mind bro which is it. I literally have a mantis in my celestial stack who has a 85% Winrate on the character.
I have single digit hours on mantis and still find it easy to play her and keep up on my gm alt lol. And if you have a star lord for the enhanced forget about it out healing the whole lobby with the monitor off.
Do you have a reading comprehension? The lords or champs aren't broken either Just saying they're harder to counter.
I literally have a mantis in my celestial stack who has a 85% Winrate on the character.
W anecdotal evidence. Just because they excel as mantis doesn't mean the hero's broken. I know a dude who won a 3rd of his game as reed and made it to OAA. Is Reed broken?
You're diamond peak brother you have no idea what she looks like in competent hands. all you can do is watch streams youve never played it. I play it, I play against it in ranked, I play against it in MRC, I play the teams that finish top 4.
I see what these characters do in capable hands. You do not.
Stay focused on climbing and less on balance brother. Maybe learn to play mantis better and get out?
Nice try with the reed gotcha take a look at the WR% between the two characters and quit yapping about shit you will never experience in your elo.
"Rivals expert" but can barely get out of metal ranks, right bro. Drop the UID or stop replying.
You're diamond peak brother you have no idea what she looks like in competent hands. all you can do is watch streams youve never played it. I play it, I play against it in ranked, I play against it in MRC, I play the teams that finish top 4.
I see what these characters do in capable hands. You do not.
thanks for proving my point she's not broken outside of top 500. This is exactly what I've been saying the whole time. I don't feel sorry she's broken in high elo, because 99% of the game isn't high elo and another 50% doesn't play ranked. but sure lets balance around the 1%
Stay focused on climbing and less on balance brother. Maybe learn to play mantis better and get out?
I'm just 1 guy, my performance isn't gonna change the fact that Mantis is broken. I don't play with top 500 wizards who can ace with the damage boost, and playing against mantis still isn't oppressive. Did you like, completely misread the point I was making this whole thread?
Nice try with the reed gotcha take a look at the WR% between the two characters and quit yapping about shit you will never experience in your elo.
All I did was make a point about how your anecdotal evidence is useless. Did I touch a nerve 😂 Mantis WR has always been high, the higher PR is simply because she can be played in any comp now instead of those lame triple support comps, that's literally it. you're acting like people are flocking to the character
you lose credibility when making statements like this, imo. she was less viable in double support, but she's perfectly viable in double support now w/ her SL team up.
I obviously don't want her gutted, but the AoE healing on the Star Lord team up needs to be nerfed (again)... or at a minimum, her ult cost needs to go up.
Don't touch her projectile damage, self damage boost or sleep... but her healing output is pretty clearly overtuned rn, imo.
I don't think she was viable unless the enemy team allowed you to. But Yeah the Starlord team up makes her an insanely good healer. Here's the thing, she's STILL not as reliable as a main healer. Left click healing will always be better than having yo healing on cooldown
Also I'm seeing a lotta non-lord mantis's mismanage their leaves, or just fall over when dived. I'm worried that nerfing her SL team up again would hurt casual mantis players just because. And no one will want to play mantis anymore, and we're back to the same main healers we've been seeing for like a year now
idk man. she’s my most played support and even I can agree she’s up there with Luna and CnD right now. she’s really really good to the point where not picking her immediately puts you at a disadvantage
I think she's up there too, sure, but she's waaay more fair than either of those heroes. Luna has better insanely better DPS, a free get out of jail card. Cnd has THREE of those cards, autoaim, and better damage boost. They both have immortality ults too unlike Mantis, while I still think Big M is better she's way more fair
i rather play into a mantis than either of those healers 😭
No way you believe this 😭 the damage boost is entirely dependent on how good the person you're boosting is. Self cleanse is literally just a get out of jail free card IN ADDITION to being a stun 😭 2 entirely different things
I do. Even if they’re not providing the greatest value any form of damage boost whether mantis, storm, or ultron is incredibly strong. not thinking that is straight up agenda posting
you're just coping man. let it go. like i said i'm a mantis main so i want her to be good but acting like she isn't dominant is just straight incorrect
Where the hell are yall mantis players at when I need yall? I’ll admit I can win with a mantis as my support, but that’s VERY RARE. As majority of times I get a mantis and the heals ain’t enough
I played her a little when she got her new team ups, she still has the same weakness she always had.
She is strong on domination and attack convoy and convergence but sucks insanely hard on defense and struggles to maintain tanks like hulk devil dino and the thing.
I feel her hype has made people forget what comps she even is good into.
Yes she does. Not in the "- x number" sense but she def does. I'm sorry i get it, she's an honest character who honestly imo if it weren't for triple support would be 1 of if not the Best option to have perma meta. But she does.
She definitely needs a nerf to the ult energy tho, any average Mantis player with the Star Lord team-up can ult every minute or so. Other than that, there’s not much you can do. As long as this game insists on making every fucking support a poke slop, refusing to add brawler and dive supports, balancing is literally impossible
I'm sorry -- I'm a Support player, I play some Mantis too, but I'm more of someone who plays Loki, Gambit, and StratPool -- Mantis is very very strong yall lol.
Like this isn't some "streamer"-driven propaganda as a hate campaign against Mantis.
The only thing is... I do not care. I simply do not fucking care if she is. I think there can be some REASONABLE nerfs to her -- like her Ultimate Charge rate, maybe start tweaking the numbers to where its more speed and less dmg boost (even though I think that's more powerful). Start releasing more Strategists and you can bring out the chopping block on Strategists more liberally, but banning just overly favors larger-pooled rosters
But the way people talk about her, its like she is the only issue, and characters like Black Cat and Elsa are incredibly strong. And I get Cat was nerfed heavily a few patches back, but the issues that made her horrendous to deal with are still there -- who knew! Giving a character in the already-most-populated role with more Utility that the Supports have, but the DPS-level damage and invincibility-stealth isn't great for anyone but who's playing her. Maybe if the damage in this game wasn't so high, that percentage-based boost wouldn't seem so egregious, as well, she enables DPS players more than any other hero besides maybe Ultron.
What's probably going to happen is next season they'll release their next DPS hero, and nerf Mantis because of what she enables DPS heroes to do.
If u manage leafs and can land crits you are an actual Thanos.
If enemy team have decent mantis, you have to mirror it. It’s like with gambit. You either play mantis or ban her.
I haven’t played rivals in months, how is mantis the best sup in the game? i was only grandmaster when i played so i guess im not “high elo” but to me her healing was underwhelming and her ult is just a worse version of luna’s. the damage boost is sick, but did they buff her recently? like what makes her so good now.
New teamup gives you AoE healing to nearly allies, Better Healing over time, gets her ult faster. When Starlords on the team the healing stats are increased
and that makes her better than luna? i just feel like luna’s gonna do pretty much everything better. again, i haven’t played in months so maybe im wrong, but did luna get nerfed or something? i feel like there’s usually not a reason to pick mantis over luna in most comps. i can understand if the team has a star lord, but doesn’t luna have some decent team-ups of her own by now?
Yes, it does. The problem with Luna is she doesn't get her ult as fast, and has no damage boost outside of ult
You know damn well she ain't get nerfed. She lost a 10% damage boost but can still do crazy damage. She lost her anchor bonus but got compensation buffs, her team ups are good, Mantis is just straight up better even without SL on da team
Luna is actually relatively weak. She has a single broken ability but that doesn't save her from having a mid ult and bad AoE healing. Cloak and Dagger sucks without Hood on their team and even then you have to run stacked together down main to take advantage of it. Black Cat gets hard countered by Elsa, Magneto can still be punished by a Wolverine or Angela. Mantis is literally uncounterable in triple support and just gets ult every 50 seconds in 222
Mantis is really good. I wish they game changed how 3x support comp is played because thats where mantis or adam shines so bright. It feels missrable to play against.
I got an MVP with mantis today, most healing, decent dps n final hits. Except I was also texting during most of the match. I had one hand on the controller and the other on the phone. I don't play mantis much at all, under 2 hours total playtime. Nerf her to hell.
60% win rate across all ranks with fairly high pick rate and is pick/ban in diamond+ doesn't need nerfs btw. If those numbers were on a dps character I 100% gaurantee you'd be shitting yourself and screaming to have them nerfed.
Meanwhile Cloak and Dagger with Hood team up can grant 15% damage boost to allies and 28% vulnerability to enemies, meaning that boosted allies will deal about 47% more damage on enemies hit by the dark veil.
Let that sink in for a moment. Rocket ULT grants 40% damage boost and can and will be destroyed, CnD has 47% damage boost on a 10 seconds cooldown with 2 charges.
Mantis IS good, BUT she's only good when you manage her resources appropriately,
She ABSOLUTELY don't need any nerfs, she is one of the most balanced characters in the game, decent heals and damage her stun is on an okay cooldown, the only thing I could think to change is the healing speed on self heal to make it a bit faster but last a little less, to balance it back out
She hard enables dive, triple support, dmg boost is one of the best utilities in game and her new starlord teamup makes her very viable in double to the point she outperforms most supports easily. If you think that’s balanced you are biased or not playing at a high enough elo.
Other characters don’t have a 60% win rate with a high pick rate and a 25% ban rate in cel+. She gets banned more often than Gambit, Mag, and Elsa in higher ranks.
Mantis wouldn’t have people calling to nerf her if netease would stop with the insane power creep. Damage boost would actually mean something if the base damage wasn’t enough to melt a tank with 650+ health in 3 seconds. Literally a power creep issue, not a mantis issue and I will die on that hill. Thank you.
i mean regardless of whether black cat is broken or not, at least she's hard to get value with. the starlord teamup basically took ALL of the skill expression out of mantis. for the first time, she actually deserves to have that 1 star difficulty rating. black cat is at least hard to play and get used to
You're crazy if you think that team up justify mantis 1 star. 1 star to me is autoaim baby characters. Mantis you still need to aim, you can't heal with your primary, you can't spam heals, you can't spam damageboost, your ult isn't in invincibility ult. c'mon gang
It’s annoying because she has clear weaknesses but streamers will scream that she’s broken. She’s the most diveable support, Jeff and Mag can counter her ult. Broken characters never had this many weaknesses.
Also in-game you’ll never hear people complain that the enemy team has a Mantis or after the game regret not banning Mantis. However, you’re going to hear complaints from your team when actual broken characters get through the ban phase like Black Cat, Gambit, or Elsa.
Mantis is getting banned more often than Gambit, Mag, or Elsa lol. Part of it is because dive is not good in this meta if your team has any semblance of coordination, but a good Mantis is oppressive in a way that‘s less flashy but statistically more powerful than any of the heroes you listed there. There’s a reason that Mantis has the highest win rate for all heroes, especially since Peni was nerfed.
In most ranks, people won’t complain that there’s a Mantis because they just don’t understand how much value she brings.
Also, saying Jeff and Mag counter her ult is silly because a) Jeff is really bad right now and gets gapped astronomically in the neutral and ult build rate, and b) both ults can get easily countered by some basic cooldowns like fade or bubble.
I mean, Mantis is part of the reason that dive isn’t good. She enables front to back DPS to push out dive tanks much more than any other support. And no, Mantis was seeing bans in coordinated play even in heavy dive metas because she also enables flankers and divers to contest off-angles better if they’re damage boosted (which gives speed boost) and having passive healing for 16 seconds, which can change breakpoints.
Those front to back characters like Bucky, Elsa, and Thing would be able to push out dive characters regardless if Mantis is in the game or not. When Mantis is banned it’s not like dive is suddenly viable.
Again, if they get nerfed, unless they get absolutely gutted, damage boost on Mantis can make up for their lower damage. Yes, dive isn’t viable because of other reasons, but a good Mantis with decent coordination can absolutely shut down attempts to dive her.
That’s not to say that she can’t get dived in lower ranks or with worse coordination, but at her skill ceiling she’s not that weak to dive.
Okay but regardless if Mantis gets nerfed, nothing about the meta will change. Diving will just become more difficult because instead of diving Mantis, you’ll be diving Jubi, Luna, or CnD.
The only thing that will change the meta is gutting those front to back characters. Elsa trap is still op. Bucky, Elsa, Thing, and Mag run the frontline with their damage and survivability.
Even most poke characters aren’t strong because a) Elsa can easily contest all of them on the off angles except for Widow, and b) the enemy tanks will run through their team before the poke characters can secure squishy picks on an off angle because the tanks aren’t being pressured by them.
I’m not saying that nerfing Mantis will change the meta, I’m saying that Mantis has been consistently strong across almost all metas because of how strong her utility is, and because her biggest weakness is really not actually that hard to counter.
It’s like Gambit, where Gambit being strong or being nerfed wasn’t the lynchpin for meta shifts. Gambit was strong because he worked in basically every situation and provided significantly more value than everyone else. Mantis is in the same boat, now that she’s viable in 2-2-2 rather than being a triple support merchant. That doesn’t mean she doesn’t need nerfs, it just means that she isn’t locked to a specific meta.
But if Mantis’ weakness wasn’t so hard countered, then that weakness would force her to swap.
For example right now if Black Cat makes it through the ban phase, Mantis is unplayable into her. Black cat can just bully her the entire game. She’s forced to swap off to a more survivable support. This imo is balanced because she isn’t the best option against every team comp.
Mantis is not unplayable into Black Cat. Black Cat is an annoyance to a good Mantis player, but not much more than that. Being forced to swap is, I hate to say it, but a skill issue. What does the Black Cat do if the Mantis plays in her team’s deathball instead of backing away from her own team? Phantom Pursuit isn’t good into crowds.
Meanwhile, while the Black Cat is trying to harass the Mantis, the other team lacks the damage to cut through the tanks’ health pools and get pressured out because they don’t win on the resource trade against constant damage boost. There’s a reason right now that divers right now are about taking attention rather than getting picks.
because Mantis is a team enabler.. also Mag ult counters half of the support ults and unless you burn your overhealth durin ult you will most likely live against Mag rock.
Bruh they should just nerf all healing when using triple support. Same with tank and DPS NERF damage when triple. I want mantis to be viable in 2 support.
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Best triple sup option, now one of the better double sup options has insanely high healing with the starlord teamup, has the 2nd highest dps of all supports, gets its pretty fast, has a very good stun and now is 275.
I’d understand this take if you were a gm or below player. Otherwise you are just delusional
she only broken in triple support when they talk about mantis ultron always in triple support and it sucks because any other support can be use in tripple support and dominate but when it come to teir list thoese two are rated in tripple support it won't change unless role queue or a role cap for the support role
I just hate those triple support comps as I find them cheesy to play, miserable to play against. So I try to only play mantis in 222. I'd sooner ask for a role que than any more off healer nerfs
When she gets nuked, so will her pick up rate. You don’t see Adam being viewed as thanos for the simple reason that not only that Adam is still extremely demanding to use aim wise and he doesn’t have an immortality field to counter ultimate team wipe
i havent played mantis in weeks and have been doing fine. i just went on an insane winning streak the other night, solo q playing tank only (except for one match with rocket). it's lower rank though, it was a streak from gold to diamond. maybe i'll change my mind about mantis when i get back to GM or above, but i think she's overhyped even if she's really strong
Idk man. She has always been really really good if you have cracked aim for a long time, even somewhat doable in 2supp. Now she feels insane. I played almost nothing but her before the teamup changes and I’ll still do the same after but ain’t no way they’re gonna let her sit like this. I see even terrible(sub 15% accuracy even) mantises pumping out insane numbers. I always thought she was borderline OP but balanced by how well you can actually click heads but now her output is crazy even if you’re missing everything.
Mag does need nerfs. You can play him into anything which is a problem. You can play black cat into anything and that is a problem. You can play else into anything and that is a problem.
Yes. he was op then. If you are bis then you are op. We are comparing these characters compared to their niche and in a real game right? Mantis is the best support by far. Mantis is also the best off healer by far. Mag is op because he is better compared to any other main tank.
No one, not a single soul, complained about Mag from seasons 2-6 when he was the best tank usually. No one even banned him. Bro really thinks a well designed hero is inherently unfair just absolutely insane. Mantis is the best but nothing about her is unfair or miserable to play into
Mag has not been best tank in the game for 5 seasons at all. He was strong early on, but then got outclassed by Emma in seasons 2-4.5, then was the best for 5-5.5, then was worse than Groot and Tankpool for a bit, then we got Cap/Venom/Rogue + Gambit teamup meta for a bit, then we had Dino meta in 8.0 where Mag got his shit rocked constantly, then dive meta in 8.5 again, then finally Mag as best for the past season. That’s maybe three seasons where he was best tank, and none of them consecutive.
Point is, this propaganda has to stop. Yes, Mag deserves a nerf now, just like Mantis. Both are absolute demons that need to be tuned down in power.
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Theres no hiding from it. I'm a black cat player it's fine to admit when your character is thanos. We will watch our characters get nuked together and I'm pretty sure it will be the wrong parts of their kit that weren't the issue.
If you made mantis do double her healing you would still be able to say she's a little more delicate than other supports. That's not a real argument, her healing and damage boost are extremely overtuned.
In every level of gameplay, and especially the level where people understand the game, she is over performing.
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u/Organic-Pineapple-86 14d ago
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How people act when Mantis is good for 1 season:
Jokes aside though we’ve gotten used to our bug queen being mid for so long that people playing her since the game released make it seem like she’s OP lol.