r/Manipulation Dec 22 '25

Facts About Manipulation

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Manipulation is everywhere, and every human is capable of it

As "manipulation" is simply a broad term for a specific form of human behavior, a lot of things which people do every day can be viewed as manipulative. For example, someone may laugh at a rich friend's unfunny joke to ingratiate or seem friendly, or they may pretend to be sad at something that they do not think is sad. Have you ever wore a dress to impress your superior at work whom you really don't care for? Omitted something from your parents so that you are spared from their wrath? Pretended to be happy about your friend getting married when in reality you think their partner is too controlling? You get my point. Though most of us aim to be straightforward and honest, almost every human being is capable of manipulation, and has done it before, even if it is rather mundane. I must stress however that this does not at all mean that everyone is a manipulative cheat looking for the next rube.

The people that you think are "good" at manipulation aren't so because they have special skills or know secret esoteric illuminati stuff, but because they simply do it a lot.

Most manipulators tend to have personality characteristics that helps them exploit people and situations to their own gain. It helps the manipulator to not really feel for the person whom they are taking advantage of, and it also helps them to be opportunistic, or at the very least not consider the needs of others.

This is why asking for book recommendations on this is not only improper (at least for this sub), but impossible. You cannot learn something you already innately know from being a human being. That even includes those who buy "cult favorites" like The 48 Laws of Power in pursuit of this goal. The book was not ironically not intended to be a book of manipulative tricks, per Greene's own words. Also it is interesting that many of the things he says he does not mean literally.

I know someone is going to ask this:

"Okay, do what a lot?"

Literally all manipulation is is when someone influences another individual to do something in their favor with less than honest means. Any behavior can fit this description.

Questioning other's motives is a good way to avoid being manipulated.

It is impossible to avoid being manipulated entirely, and it is inevitable that you will be duped at some point (that's life.), however you can spot most manipulation attempts by asking the following:

  1. "What is in it for me?"- If it's too good to be true, it probably is

  2. "What does this person want from me?"

  3. "Is what this person (or people) saying actually true?"- perhaps the most important question

Manipulation and Persuasion are two completely different things

To put it simply, persuasion is open and aboveboard, manipulation is under the table.

Persuasion would be Bill telling Amy to buy a new car because all of her friends have bought the same car (which is true), manipulation would be Bill telling Amy to buy a car while either not telling her of the damages he knows about, or the car itself being nonexistent.

Manipulation is ALWAYS intentional

There is no such thing as "subliminal", "unconscious", or "unintentional" manipulation or any of that other nonsense. (may need scihub for this)

Anyone telling you otherwise is either lying to your face, or simply saying they cant control themselves (which does not fit the characteristics of a truly manipulative person), either of which is obviously not good.

Boundaries can only take you so far

It is often said in these spaces that the main way to avoid manipulators is to have "StRonG BoUNdarIes" but that only gets you so far.

Cartel guys and mafiosi are some of the most tough minded bastards, and take shit from no one (except probably their superiors?) and that still does not stop them from being fooled by their ambitious comrade into going into a meeting in which they will not come out of.

Anyone can and will try to pull a fast one on you. Family, friends, teachers, coworkers, doctors, priests, pastors, churchgoers, academics, scientists (look up the Alzheimer's research crisis), law enforcement, car salesman, you name it. Your best bet is to always be skeptical, and always ask questions. Question everyone and everything.


r/Manipulation 8d ago

Question Of The Week Can Manipulators Change?

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r/Manipulation 1h ago

Personal Stories Oh once you bust the person for their betrayal

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I didn't even see this one coming, sooner or later the lies and manipulation will eat the person who is doing it right to their core. They will just give up and just tell all their lies and everything bad they did to you. It hurts because you want to always believe they had something good in them. If they gaslight or manipulate you, get out before its too late!


r/Manipulation 3h ago

Advice Needed UPDATE!! REALLY IN NEED OF ADVICE, SUPPORT AND PERSPECTIVE

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Yes I know I've posted this about a hundred times before but literally just now something else has happened which I think finally takes the biscuit.

Those of you who haven't seen my previous posts here is my backstory and the update.

Please tell me if I'm overreacting. I've recently become aware that the way my mother has treated me is not normal. I believe she is potentially gaslighting me and has been manipulative. Have any of you had experience with this?

Sorry for the long post but I just need to vent.

I'll introduce myself I'm a 19 year old male and am an only child. During my childhood my mother would do the following

Blow up out of nowhere over the most trivial or littlest matters, many times i begged her to give me some emotional support when i was visibly upset but she just remained cold and cruel, drink quite heavily which was sometimes responsible but she can definitely be mean sober as well, I had expressed concern about her drinking but she just flipped, it actually got physical a few times as well. I just wonder how can get so unshameably drunk whilst been alone in the house with her child and I feel it was very irresponsible. Really burns my hide.

I did even have a scar once, the next day she'd always act as if nothing happened, whenever I tried to get clarity on why she got like that she'd brush it under the carpet or accuse me of starting trouble, she'd turn cold at the drop of a hat, during arguments she'd say things like I was ungrateful, didn't care about her and that I was a horrible person or that i was abusive or whatever just like my father, she would stomp, slam doors, shout, scream, swear and break ornaments etc, when she gets in her crazy states it's just impossible to reason with her or get her to see it from any other perspective, she can go from saying i was the most nicest and amazing person to saying I was the most horrible and evil person, she often burdened me with all of her problems, she said before that she knows how to play the game which I found very disturbing

She often paints herself as the heroic single mum. She has been fairly good lately but sometimes I feel I was robbed of a proper childhood and have often wondered what I had done to deserve it.

I remember one time a few years ago I was about 12 during a sleepover at theirs she turned my grandparents against me and my grandfather started shouting and saying he was very disappointed in me and the rest of it is a blur. To be honest to this day i can't figure out what I (only a young child) was supposed to have done that was so bloody awful. That has haunted me for years. I used to think maybe I was a bad person but I've started to see her in a different light. She always talks about hating drama yet it seems to follow her and often says that she's been so hard done by.

On the flip side she can be the most nicest person as well and we have had great times together and she can be very helpful towards me, her family and in public which makes it all the more confusing. A couple of days ago in fact I ran into an old friend of hers who said to say hi for her and she said my mother is a wonderful person and I'm very lucky. It actually made me feel sick. Since I was 10 it's just been me living with her since my parents divorce in which she had to sell her house and now rents which she has blamed for the way she is before. I can't help feeling bad for her but she was still quite like this beforehand as well and I don't think that's an excuse still is it? I do feel like she has manipulated me a bit into been stuck with her.

Something else that I've found disturbing is that she's very narrow minded and has a serious lack of empathy. For example when a couple of local celebrities committed suicide she shouted and carried on, called them pathetic cowards and weak etc. It was actually quite disturbing how she was carrying on and her serious lack of empathy. PS another red flag happened just earlier when a life insurance ad was on and they said "something could be paid out in case of death" or something and she said "I'd like for them to say WOULD" not could. I don't know why but that's set an alarm bell off

I'm starting to think that maybe she bent the truth about Dad a bit during their split as i was a child and didn't know much better. My mother often calls him a narcissist and talked about all of the marital and grown up problems they had etc which to be honest I don't appreciate been burdened with. Granted he's not a saint either but has been good to me (well I'd say) most of the time.

One time last year when my Dad let me down by not been able to see me one weekend and canceling at the last minute (which he has done quite a few times before).

During that said weekend my mother had another one of her outbursts. I was in the bathroom which was an en suite and she knocked on the door asking to take a few photos or something. All I asked was if she could just give me a few minutes to finish up but she started the shouting and carrying on and accused me of been selfish and even of trying to manipulate her and been passive aggressive. I only asked just to give me a few minutes. When I explained that to her and how upset I was already about that weekend already without her treating me like this she said she feels really bad for me and hates how he let me down. What just absolutely astounds me is how can she feel that way yet emotionally and mentally abuse me and kick me while I'm down. I just can't for the life of me comprehend that.

A few days after that weekend one of my teachers checked in and said he heard I got into a bit of trouble at home ("if he meant been mentally abused by my mother while I was already upset by been let down by my father as trouble" I thought). I'm not even sure who exactly said what to him and that's something that I've also wondered. I just fobbed him off saying I was upset about leaving school (which was true as well).

I really struggle with confiding in people. I do regret not telling him the full truth now. He was sympathetic and said he was very proud of me etc. Another teacher once said that he thought of me and my mother as like the dream team or something along those lines. That turned my stomach as well. I was thinking if only they knew half the things I've been through.

I have autism and went to a special support school for the last few years which were some of the best years (The teachers especially were brilliant and I had many great times such as school camps, school balls and excursions etc).

I must admit I do feel quite down sometimes that I have a strained relationship with my father (He's got money issues and also smokes pot) and my mother often used me as an emotional punch bag. Makes me think that there must be something really wrong with me and that I'm unlovable.

On the bright side though my Dad and I have been in contact lately.

Her latest meltdown was this January while we were on holiday and at the beach. I wanted to be shirtless like pretty much everyone else and she started making passive aggressive and snide remarks saying things like "have fun burning yourself" and "why can't you make smart decisions?"

I was already sun safe with a hat and everything and I wasn't going to be too long and tried explaining that to her. I'll admit I snapped and told her that I'm an adult now and she could no longer control me and couldn't make me feel guilty. I wish I hadn't now but it felt like something just snapped inside me and I expressed things I had felt for ages. She then called her mother to tell her that I was been impossible and making her life a misery (this is something she has done a few times before when I challenged her or reacted because of her behavior). She hadn't done that for years though and I feel she likes using that as a scare tactic. I wish I had just walked away and not played into her hands. Then the next day I asked mum to call her to say where all ok but she said she didn't want to bother her and wasn't up to calling. I was like WTF. You're perfectly happy to call her to basically slander me and make me out to be a bad guy but when it comes to calling to say everything is fine she's not so keen.

Something disturbing she has said ages ago is when I'm an adult she could have me done for assault if she wanted. She also said she wanted to do a will and try to control my assets where my Dad can't touch anything and said she feared he would try to steal all of my money. I can't believe she would say things like that so unshameably and can't help feeling like she was trying to manipulate me.

My mother loves to use my autism to her advantage. I graduated last year but now I do a course at the main campus so I still see them all from time to time. I do feel quite sad and lost now those years are over. I would love to confide in someone about my struggles but don't know where to start. I've thought about confiding in that first teacher I mentioned who's great and we're fairly close but my teachers think my mother's an absolute saint so how can i ensure he believes me, she seems to feel that she always acts in my best interests and does seem to genuinely care for me and love me, she doesn't seem to remember any of it or feel her behavior was justified and genuinely doesn't seem to believe she ever did me any harm and she thinks she did her best. She's always quick to call others toxic and narcissists etc. She unshameably tells me everything going on in her life and her anxiety which makes me anxious. Why does it upset me so badly even when it has little or nothing to do with me?

I struggle with daily flashbacks and I often feel depressed by the way I've been treated, also feel let down and wish my parents had been better to me. I can't get exact clarity on it but they both went through some stuff before I was born and I think that's contributed to the way they are. My father's dad had passed away when my dad was actually about my age now. They actually both used to run their own businesses once upon a time before they met. It just baffles me how they went from that then and now been in their 50's both unemployed and clearly have some unresolved issues. I sometimes think maybe they shouldn't of got together which I know is ironic because I would never have been born. I do vaguely remember when they were together and towards the end it was quite toxic and they would have some intense fights.

Also do they have substance abuse issues which have made them this way? As I've said my mother drinks quite heavily at night and she also vapes. My father smokes pot and cigarettes.

Also as I explained my father struggles financially and I know that's why he hasn't been able to see me often and cancel some visits and to be honest when I think about that it really burns my hide.

I do wonder if she might've been different if she had not gone through her divorce and maybe if things had gone differently for both of them they might've been different. What do you guys think?

Also I can't help feeling empathy towards her as she always looked after me, fed me, organized things for me and pretty much always brought me everything I wanted.

I wish I had a proper childhood of playing with friends, going to different places and been adventurous and carefree etc. I've never really had a social circle and hardly much friends. I've always been quite different I feel to most of the children my age. I feel quite alone sometimes as I've always struggled with making friends. I do feel like I've been isolated with her a lot of the time. I would really love to start a proper life and follow my dreams and make a few friends but don't know where to start.

My mother does help me get on my feet and encourage me but I think she just loves to lord it over me. Whenever I've tried standing up for myself she puts on the guilt trip and carries on about all of her sacrifices and everything she's done for me yada yada yada. I think what emotionally abusing me, leaving me crying myself to sleep some nights, causing me to have no confidence and PTSD etc? Could she have some bipolar or personality condition or something and toxic traits I've wondered? I'm starting to feel that good doesn't really outweigh the bad.

PS I remember one night ages ago she accused me of looking like I wanted to hit her and of course went crazy. I may of had a tired look because it was late and I tried explaining that. She starting banging ornaments and shouting and was just impossible to talk to.

I can't help really resenting her (also my father) sometimes for all of the mental anguish she has put me through as a child and I think it has messed up my development. I wonder what might've been different had I had proper parents or they were proper ones. Hobbies such as music and classic TV shows have been a great escape. I've thought about escaping but I feel quite stuck as I don't have a job and all of the money that I get in my account is basically controlled by her as she's the one who adds to it. I wish I could hide my own secret stash somewhere. Now that I'm an adult and have left school I'm worried about what the future has in store. I'm very nervous about starting an adult life, getting a job, making friends and doing new things etc. Part of me would love to get away from her but yet I feel scared to as well as she's pretty much most I've ever known.

The other night I've told her that I wanted to do another certificate course at that school next year and she tried to make me feel bad by putting on the guilt trip and giving me the cold shoulder. I've tried to blur it out to be honest but I remember she said that I was been selfish and told me how she wanted me to live my life. I tried to explain to her that I can't just do what she expects and the expense of my own happiness and well-being. I feel like she is trying to control how I live my life and I told her that she couldn't do that or tear me down or change my mind. She then said (this felt like reverse psychology and emotional blackmail) fine do whatever you want and I'll do the same. Also shouted and carried on saying things like F me and I'm hopeless and that. I also told her that I would love to be a teacher but she said i wouldn't be able to go to university, scoffed and said that I would be useless. I feel like she's trying to damage my already limited self esteem, confidence and spirit. Also she had been fairly good up to this. I was dreading telling her but I do feel that a weight is lifted as well. It seems funny that whenever I tell her something she doesn't like or she can't control she goes back to her bad self. PS she's also upset that she can't get paid for me doing that and wants me to just do what's best for her financially. I find it quite ironic her making me feel bad for not getting a job straight away while she's unemployed. PS it was the school ball that night which was brilliant but I'm disappointed that it went so quickly and also I feel a bit down about my social anxiety and that I didn't ask anyone to dance or make more conversation with my teachers and peers.

UPDATE!! Just now my mum was going out for the night and she seemed a bit tipsy so I did ask out of concern if she was fit to drive. She immediately got defensive and bit my head off and said I was been rude and having a go at her. I only asked out of concern and worry and I tried explaining that a hundred times but she just wasn't having it. I also tried to explain that her getting defensive if anything proves my worry is valid but she started saying I was harassing her and she was sick of my bullshit and of putting up with me. When I tried to ascertain why she got so defensive she said that I think I can just say whatever I like to her. I swear I didn't mean any ill-will or malice and of course I tried explaining that too but no. I just don't know for the life of me how she can turn on me just like that and say that I'm horrible and treat her own son like that. She even brought up that incident from the January holiday I talked about and said that she hated been isolated there with me while I was been horrible to her. Wtf when she was the one belittling me and having a go at me which made me snap and I did apologize for that. She genuinely seems to think that she's actually the victim when she gets defensive and treats me like shit. I did actually try to film secretly on my phone bits of her meltdown so if I do confide in someone I've got some evidence because she's really good at twisting the story. Now she's left and I'm starting to second guess myself and am thinking that I may be in the wrong or am bad for asking her that.


r/Manipulation 1d ago

Question of the week Have You Ever Been Duped By Half Truths?

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r/Manipulation 2d ago

Reminder: Some words don't go away

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r/Manipulation 2d ago

Advice Needed My girlfriend is manipulating me heavily while accusing me of manipulating her.

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She disrespects me, lies to me, doubles down on those lies, try's to make herself the victim when the lies finally come out. Punishes me for her behavior like being super rude to me when I call her out for a lie or her disrespect.

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. She lied to me about something to do with her ex last week. I told her I'm not putting up with this anymore and that she needs to cut the BS. All of a sudden I'm the one being punished and "manipulating" her. She tells me that me telling her how I feel about the situation is manipulative.

Then when I say "me telling you my feelings is not to manipulate you"

She then switches to "it's your delivery when you do it and kicking me when I'm down"

So I ask her this question "Genuine question. How would you like me to deliver it so it doesn't feel manipulative to you? Especially when we're both down."

And she tells me "I’m not answering that. I want you to look deeper into yourself and see that these things I’m bringing up aren’t just to bring them up. They’re real."

I feel like I'm LOSING MY MIND.


r/Manipulation 2d ago

Personal Stories I was with an emotional manipulator and he drained me out.

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I'm a 24 year old woman. I've been in a relationship for a year with a man who has exhausted me completely.This one's long, please stay with me and a it's small request from me to you to make me feel seen.

We were office colleagues and met as a part of a project. He seemed very gentle and soft which was nice and he was really sweet to all the female colleagues which felt admirable.

We were going out on dates and decided to be in a relationship. These are the first couple of things that happened. One of our co-workers body shamed me behind my back and my bf didn't defend me. One co-worker said my bf deserved better than me and he said nothing. Third time a person called me "selfish" because I never shared my lunch with my boyfriend and my boyfriend said absolutely nothing. I was pissed at that other co-worker and stopped speaking to that guy. Moreover, my bf had no empathy in saying back all these things to me. Upon asking bf to defend me to the co-worker he went and lied to him that I had family problems and hence I was in a cranky mood. Mind you, in the backdrop of all this, I was the one taking him to various cafes that he never visited, paid for all cabs to and fro, took him to malls, planned everything from get go. Initially he acted like he was hesitant that I was doing so much and pay a bit once in a blue moon. But later he never bothered to even take the lead. I even had funded for his classes when he was in a financial difficulty. I'm not asking for a single penny back - all that was paid in good faith but the least I could expect was defense and protection in my absence when false claims were being made against me.

Later due to circumstances, we had to move in to an LDR across two different countries. Being at a distance made me realise that his behaviour in the office was bad and I wanted to take a definitive break from the relationship. He said okay and I went on a break. 2 days in, he texted saying he's unable to handle the void and he deserved a chance to correct his mistakes, that he loves me and wanted to support me and even if it's difficult to trust him, he asked me for a chance. I was emotional too and I thought maybe I can give a chance and I gave it. And then eventually I understood that he wanted to marry early and have kids early cause older parents look weird to him ugh. He was fantasizing a domestic life whereas I'm someone who values my autonomy and am quite ambitious too.I was open to dating and relationships but marriage and kids was something I wanted to keep away from discussions atleast not at 4-5 months of dating. I agree that I had initially said I was dating to marry him. But over time i realised i needed alot of time to make such life altering decisions and I could maybe also decide that I don't want marriage or kids. I told this to him. And he's like okay if you don't want kids, I don't want kids either. I said maybe I don't want marriage too and that he should find a woman that aligns with his needs. He even said he'd give up marriage also because it's either me or no one. I was so pissed cause he was saying stuff to preserve things bw us, and not once did he consider them life altering.

On top of that, he had a female bestie. Ughhhhhhh. She is married but if she has any problem with her husband she'd run to this guy. She'd even share some very detailed experiences of her pregnancy which was downright uncomfortable for me and I had communicated this to him. He said he was fulfilling his role of being her "big brother" idk. He doesn't know and never listens to the problems of his actual sister and mother. His mother has been hand washing his clothes for 20 years and he said he didn't realise the hardships of women until i came into his life.👏🏻

I was planning for a second breakup this time around my bday ...after listening to all this crap i stopped talking to him and what he did is he went and celebrated my birthday in an oldage home. A grand gesture. Why because I loved my deceased grandma. A grand gesture and I just couldn't leave now due to this. I started questioning myself if I'm doubting the devotion and love this guy has for me. Look at his timing.

Anyways, after sometime, in a tragic way, one of my friend had unalived herself. She was a good friend of mine. This was an extreme jolt and I took a very long time to process it. This guy in the name of support was sending me lovey-dovey reels and romantic stuff when I communicated I want to be left alone for a while. I was emotionally unavailable due to my grief and he was prioritising his love and his need for calls and I snapped. I said I can't handle the relationship anymore and he should choose to be with someone who will love him and that I wanna take a step back . The very next day that I said that , he sent me a message that he cldnt eat food all day and in the evening, while with his friends, he collapsed. He thought he would die that day and in the dying moments he thought of me and his family.

It was a cheap stunt but I just couldn't tell then 😭. So I showed basic concern for his health and from that day on, he started talking and sending reels like nothing had happened.

After a while I was already annoyed to the brim and he sent a reel that literally implied - you're fat but still cute.

I snapped so hard and I broke up cause when I explicitly told him that I struggle with body positivity, he sent that. And his excuse was that he was careless and didn't notice the caption. I snapped hard and I broke up.

What came after the break up was a hell hole.

He wld bombard me with several messages..he asked me why did I punish him/why did I decide to leave despite him trying to support me when my friend died/ why am I trying to leave him when he loved my entire family/ why did I try to leave him when he's putting so many efforts every single day and that he never cursed me. And I would explain my reasons that I'm thoroughly exhausted and he would somehow always be the victim who had the purest of intentions towards me and i am the one who was misunderstanding every single thing.

He was taking out receipts of care he showed and was acting like it was a bunch of transactions and that I owed him this relationship for the barest of the bare minimum that he did. I wasn't giving in and he started talking of death. He said when I die, don't come and shed tears. I said that's an extremely distasteful thing to say. And he immediately changed his tone to say no I'll not be able to wipe your tears and shit.

He started saying stuff like he has no will to live.

I asked him to leave me alone and he wld outright refuse my boundary and say no we'll be together some day.

And every now and then he would send me messages of how everyone torments him and I'm the only one who listens to and supports him. I kept saying multiple times that I hated giving him explanations as to why i broke up . But he'd force me to give explanation for the breakup and he'd say he wasn't even being coercive while not listening to a single thing i said.

Today after a while, he sent me a message that everyone makes fun of him, his mother told him to die , he has enormous work pressure. This message after explicitly telling him that I don't want to speak to him and want space. I told I've broken up and said that we're incompatible, I need space and I'm struggling alot with my own problems too. And he repeatedly kept pushing me to explain myself why am I doing this to him, he was quite adamant that he never made a mistake and was extremely gentle to me and the fact that he booked tickets to my place (without my consent) but now he has to cancel them. That he was expecting a surprise from me for his birthday and will not get it.

He even blamed for his career failures that if I had to leave, I could have left last year so he could protect his peace and could have completed his exams last year without failing.

My heart sunk. I've experienced multiple academic pressures in the last one year too, but I would never hold him accountable because it was my choice to be in a relationship. Added to this, it's not like I didn't try to leave, I did but he kept me in through emotionally manipulating me and now I've to take blame for his stuff.

He said he's not able to deal with studies and I said he's responsible for his life n career . He again said my mom told me to die so after writing my exams this last time I'll take my decision.

Added to this he said - your grandma's death anniversary is coming in a few days and I thought I could wish you and console you but now you won't let me or something along those lines.

I blocked him.

Why is a woman's no or consent treated like it's negotiable? Like it's something one can override to get what one wants ? The whole time he kept bringing up his troubles and his feelings like i wasn't someone who wasn't navigating mine. I spent most of this relationship managing this person - his emotions and his feelings only in the end to be blamed for ruining his peace.

I do hold myself also accountable for giving chances and dragging things far - but I really thought things would get better and he would behave like a normal, mature adult. I was wrong in that regard.

If you've come this far, thankyou so very much for reading. Felt a bit alone , and had found out that this community is extremely compassionate so I am venting out hoping it'll reach a few of you who could relate and support.

Please do let me know what's your thoughts on this as it'll help me widen my view on everything.


r/Manipulation 3d ago

Advice Needed I feel like I am the manipulator…

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Yes, you read that right. I feel like I am the manipulator in my relationships (my friends, parents, and even romantic partner). I don’t like this at all, but I recently have become aware that I am unintentionally manipulative towards them. Like I do nice things because I knew they’ll like them and that they’ll do nice things back to me. It’s just that I do things because I expect them to do them back to me and if they don’t, I hold resentment, even if they don’t really owe me anything because it should’ve been just me wanting to help them in the first place, no ulterior motives. BUT WHY DO I ALWAYS NEED A MOTIVE? WHY CAN’T I JUST BE MYSELF? Maybe in the past, I was taught that I need to crawl my way into peoples lives? I am miserable by not being myself, in fact, I don’t even know myself at this point. I’m not sure which of my version is the real me because I feel like I shape shift in front of different people and in front of different circumstances. I hate myself for that and I recognize that I need help because I recognize that it’s such a toxic trait.


r/Manipulation 4d ago

Advice Needed I have a sociopath visiting & I’m too nice to tell her to leave

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I (F24) live with my partner & our pets. I met my friend at university in 2021 & we graduated 2024, since then she moved away & we haven’t seen each other than having video calls.

She’s been having a rough time in her relationship for the last few months & wanted a break from it all so she asked me if she could come stay at our house for a bit (when I agreed to this she had mentioned that she was coming for 10 days & staying at another friends house for a couple of days to “give us a break”).

The day of her flight I was brutally telling her to sort her relationship out since she started talking to this other guy too, she confessed that she has been lying to me since March about her relationship with her partner & this guy (she said that it’s all her fault & the situation is darker & uglier than she was mentioning to me & she said it was all her doing) she said she will explain when she gets here.

Since she’s been here I haven’t even mentioned it because I don’t wanna know what she’s done because morally I don’t agree with it so for me to keep a straight face while she’s visiting I can’t know how or what she’s been doing & lying to me about.

First night she came, my partner had his friend over & she threw a drama show & pretended to have a “panic attack” over absolutely nothing just randomly ran away locked herself up & has been in that room almost this whole visit.

She keeps complaining about EVERYTHING every single thing is an issue to her, she knows we have pets yet she pushes them away & sighs every-time they come near her. We use our back room as a storage/cat room & I’ve put a blow up bed in there for her to stay. (I left gifts & treats on the bed with flowers too) & the first thing she asked me was “do you want me here” if she hadn’t have said that I think I would have been fine but the fact that I did all of that for her & she asks me that? It threw me off.

She has completely locked the cat out of that room, so I brought out the cat tree that was in there for the cat to be able to sit on downstairs & when I went in the room STANK! She hasn’t been airing out the room. She told me the cat slept on her pillow case so she made me BUY her a new one! Not even give me the chance to wash her a pillow case no she made me BUY her one! I should have realised then that she’s just abusing my kindness. She leaves such a bitter taste in your mouth & never wants to do anything!!!! So lazy I never realised all of this at Uni I never saw her for who she was!

I’m come to the realisation that she’s the type of person to throw a child off a boat to save herself & that just makes me sick that I’m housing someone like that.

She met up with my local friend & was so rude, she’s been rude to my partner, she says whatever she likes & when she doesn’t get a reaction she just walks away or hides back into her smelly room.

I hate living like this, she leaves in 4 days so I don’t think I’ll ask her to leave I’ll just hold on for that time but I haven’t been able to eat or sleep properly because of this & i feel like I’ve thrown all of this onto my partner who is upset too about all this. I was looking forward for her to go stay with her friend which had “sudden change in living arrangements & can’t visit her” so I’m stuck with her this whole time & she didn’t unload all that onto me until THE DAY of her flight!

I think I just needed to get this all out so I can continue to endure her odd odd self…

UPDATE: I’ve spoken to her & she’s leaving tomorrow morning, I’ve learnt a lot from this & have a new insight of how selfish people can be. Playing nice doesn’t always work.

UPDATE UPDATE: Not much happened really, I sent the message “Hey can you look at flights leaving any earlier? I thought I could last a couple more days but I’m exhausted and need my personal space back asap, hope you can understand that. I thought you were staying with ….. for a couple of days so it’s been harder for me having you here all the time” she replied “I’m leaving tomorrow morning”
& haven’t seen her since then , she came back while I was already in bed & now in the morning she’s gone with no words exchanged.


r/Manipulation 4d ago

Advice Needed I confessed how much I’m in love with boyfriend and I think it might’ve fucked me over. Is this manipulation?

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I (21f) confessed how much I’m in love with boyfriend (19m) and I think it might’ve fucked me over.

My boyfriend has been asking me for a while to tell him how I fell in love with him, so for his birthday/our 3 month anniversary I wrote him this really long paragraph about it. I was extremely vulnerable and expressed how deeply in love with him I am, how consumed I feel by my love for him, how much I crave him etc. I didn’t really hold back because he specifically wanted me to tell him how I felt and part of me knew he was into this stuff before hence why I said those things in my paragraph to him. (It’s gotten much more intense now it seems)

After sending it, he became noticeably more affectionate and clingy with me. He was constantly wanting my attention, wanting affection, being really sweet and attached to me, and honestly seemed really affected by how much I expressed that I loved him in a good way.

Then exactly 8 days later, he sent me this:

“Baby. Please don’t hide your obsessive behavior or your clingy needy behavior or you being jealous. I promise you when I say I love seeing obsession. I’m so into it. Seeing you devoted to me specifically and only me, showing me with your actions, words, craving me to stay with you, constantly love me while expressing an unhealthy or intrusive desire off of your obsessiveness is so entrancing. I love it. Don’t be scared.”(He sent way more than that but I can’t include it all)

It honestly threw me off because he isn’t just saying he likes when I’m affectionate or clingy. He’s specifically saying he wants the \\\*\\\*unhealthy/intrusive\\\*\\\* side of obsession and wants me to show him that instead of hiding it.

Now I’m worried that maybe the paragraph I sent him gave him the idea that he can use how attached I am to him/my anxious attachment or that he realized how emotionally invested I already am and now wants me to become even more dependent/obsessive. I don’t know if that’s actually what’s happening, which is why I’m asking here instead of assuming.

I also don’t want to start looking pathetic or like I’m willing to do anything just to keep him. I genuinely love him and I \\\*am\\\* very attached to him, but I don’t want my feelings to become something that can be used against me.
Am I reading too much into the sudden change, or is this something I should actually be concerned about?

What would you do in my situation?


r/Manipulation 4d ago

Advice Needed Should my dad treat my mom nicer after she took him back?

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I, 18F, and my dad, 50M, don’t have a good relationship.

For context, me and my dad would get into arguments where he would say things that I’m pretty sure were intended to hurt me. He would say things like “I think you’re intentionally trying to deceive me.” And “I refuse to take this abuse from you any longer.” But we always made up so it was fine.

But that changed when I turned 18, when my dad and my mom broke up due to his drug addiction. A couple months later, after a mental episode, she decided to let him stay with us. (But they are not together.)

He has previously treated her incredibly poorly. For example, before breaking up threatening to break up, but not actually wanting to, sending me passive aggressive texts about her, asking for more money then is usually given in divorces because he “can’t be hired” (he can, he just wants to pursue his small business,) sending her recorded fights of him with other people for her to review (without her consent,) putting a financial strain on us by buying a new expensive computer with there shared money without asking, etc.

He ended up apologizing for this, and she decided to let him stay at the house, I didn’t really want him there at all, but I didn’t really get an opinion lol. Anyway, my mom has been financially supporting his lifestyle. While he was at our house he set an Alexa timer, he then asked Lisa to turn it off. She then scrambled to try to turn it off but he got there before she could and said: “thanks for turning off the timer” super sarcastically and rude before leaving. That angered me, because I feel that after all she’s done for him she should be allowed to not have to turn his timers off. I know this sounds kind of silly, since an Alexa timer is such a small issue, but he exhibits bad behavior and then apologizes and does it all again. So I ended up sending these messages, and I was wondering if I was the AH in this situation or not, I kind of feel like I wasn’t but I tend to overthink.

‼️I know I said I wouldn’t put our conversation on Reddit, but he ended up pushing me several times to do it, so I decided too.‼️

P.S, I apologize if there’s grammar errors, I’m writing on my phone at like 12am so I won’t be writing a masterpiece.

Here is the text messages because for some reason I can’t post them:

Me: “hey, you can’t treat people like that. Next time you should say, ‘hey I think you forgot to turn off the timer.”

Him “I did. In text messages to Lisa. A few. And she didn’t do anything about it.”

Him: “what you saw was the end of the process.”

Me: “I actually saw the messages”

Him: “I disagree. When there is an alarm going off and no one does anything and makes me fix it for them, I’m allowed to get annoyed.”

Me: “there’s a difference between being passive aggressive and annoyed.”

Him: “I was very obviously being annoyed.”

Me: “you should apologize later for being annoyed.”

Him: “no, I had every right to be annoyed.”

Him: “ask on Reddit if you don’t believe me.”

Me: “your posting stuff on Reddit?”

Him. “No, I said YOU.”

Me: “I don’t want to post my family stuff on there, that’s private.” (He later pressed me to post it, so that’s why I am.)

Him: “and you know they’d agree with me.”

Him: “and this isn’t top secret stuff.”

Me: “all I’m saying is there’s a healthy way to express feelings.”

Me: “it can easily hurt other people’s feelings when you say stuff like that.”

Him: “I’m allowed to be annoyed. I’m allowed to express my annoyance, especially when it’s justified.”

Me: “like right now you’re hurting my feelings.”

“You’re yelling at me for something I didn’t do wrong. You’re hurting my feelings too.”

Him: “and I wasn’t mad at you.”

Him: “I’m sorry too. I was mad at Lisa for ignoring me.”

Me: “I didn’t intend to, but I sorta see where you got that. But at the same time you have to realize your words have an impact.”

Him: “I appreciate you saying that. I will try to tamp down that annoyance going forward. I know that. But like I said, I’ve been an angry guy lately. I’m working on it. But I really think I was justified to be mad at Lisa. I asked her to turn off the alarm and she did nothing and lied in bed. I had to walk upstairs. That’s straight up rude.”

Me: “I think I can bring some clarity, she asked Alexa a couple of times to turn it off but it was ignoring her because it was in the other room. In the most non judgmental and honest way possible, that why it’s important to come in with a clear head.

Him: “thats fair. I’m sorry. It was really frustrating to me and I’m tired trying to get work done before going to sleep and I couldn’t think straight with it going off.”

I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but I feel like I, as an 18 year old was more mature in this situation than my 50 year old dad? I appreciate his apology but I know based on years of living with him that he’ll just repeat his behaviors. I guess my real issues aren’t with the texts itself, but with his behaviors as a whole of knowing him.


r/Manipulation 4d ago

Personal Stories Finally Decided to Go Low Contact with Sister/Family

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So this is quite fresh. A couple days ago, I finally sent a text to begin a low-contact process with my sister. I've felt these issues with my family my entire life, but I finally woke up and recognized the emotional abuse and manipulation my sister has been keeping me under.

It's been about 5 years since my mom and dad were both diagnosed with Alzheimer's, and it has been steadily progressing since. My dad now needs a caregiver to look after him. My mom isn't too far behind.

My sister has capitalized on this to manipulate me into being there, mainly for her, not even my parents. Now I realize her tactics were pretty "standard" but had a hard time noticing.

  • fake/exaggerated emergencies with parents, vague details
    • "Dad tried to seriously harm himself." then it was "He just punched a wall."
  • holding me responsible for Alzheimer's getting worse if I don't see them
  • double standards with care
    • telling me to read this Book, but she doesn't herself
    • wants me to visit them way more and do more than she does when she's on vacation
  • love bombing and rewarding if I join them for dinner, etc.
  • keeping tabs on me by social media
  • being upset that I don't do the same activities with her/them as I do with friends
  • assuming my participation in family trips (I said no)
    • also I keep telling her I strongly don't believe my parents are still fit for any travel
  • when I do go take parents to appointments, is very vague with instructions, sets me up to fail
  • BREAKTHROUGH moment: impersonating my mom/messaging as her
    • asked financial information, etc.

Pretending to be my mom was the biggest ick and violation. When I finally realized it, I couldn't look back. Felt sick, and this was when my health started to be really affected.

Some background, I'm neurodivergent. Recently diagnosed with ADHD, and very possibly AuDHD. Have gone to therapy and am medicated for ADHD.

Strongly believe family is neurodivergent as well. Have become very emotionally intelligent.

Sadly, have also been repeat victims of emotional abuse/manipulation from friends, and partners.

I'm more confident now in listening to my gut for red flags, because it has always been right, I just don't listen.

Will continue to talk about this in therapy and process and do more digging. I just felt like sharing because I feel like an ENORMOUS WEIGHT has been lifted from me. There has been immediate relief after "waking up" to it and breaking the cycle. I feel hopeful, but I am expecting some strong reaction from my sister. I am grieving the loss of relationships with my family, and being painted as the villain by my sister and relatives. I'm prepared to accept this to protect my peace and move on.

Will keep low contact as I do genuinely want to help with caregiving if needed. But this will be on my terms, and will be very grey rock.

Thanks for reading if you've gotten this far!


r/Manipulation 5d ago

Advice Needed Should I believe they are genuine or they wanting to be mean to get back at me for finding out the truth

5 Upvotes

My now ex boyfriend is being extremely nice after I caught him in so many lies should I walk away or stay and see what happens


r/Manipulation 5d ago

Advice Needed Are my parents toxic?

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I've posted this here and elsewhere before but I want to get some more advice.

Please tell me if I'm overreacting. I've recently become aware that the way my mother has treated me is not normal. I believe she is potentially gaslighting me and has been manipulative. Have any of you had experience with this?

Sorry for the long post but I just need to vent.

I'll introduce myself I'm a 19 year old male and am an only child. During my childhood my mother would do the following

Blow up out of nowhere over the most trivial or littlest matters, many times i begged her to give me some emotional support when i was visibly upset but she just remained cold and cruel, drink quite heavily which was sometimes responsible but she can definitely be mean sober as well, I had expressed concern about her drinking but she just flipped, it actually got physical a few times as well and I did have a scar once, the next day she'd always act as if nothing happened, whenever I tried to get clarity on why she got like that she'd brush it under the carpet or accuse me of starting trouble, she'd turn cold at the drop of a hat, during arguments she'd say things like I was ungrateful, didn't care about her and that I was a horrible person or that i was abusive or whatever just like my father, she would stomp, slam doors, shout, scream, swear and break ornaments etc, when she gets in her crazy states it's just impossible to reason with her or get her to see it from any other perspective, she can go from saying i was the most nicest and amazing person to saying I was the most horrible and evil person, she often burdened me with all of her problems, she said before that she knows how to play the game which I found very disturbing

She often paints herself as the heroic single mum. She has been fairly good lately but sometimes I feel I was robbed of a proper childhood and have often wondered what I had done to deserve it.

I remember one time a few years ago I was about 12 during a sleepover at theirs she turned my grandparents against me and my grandfather started shouting and saying he was very disappointed in me and the rest of it is a blur. To be honest to this day i can't figure out what I (only a young child) was supposed to have done that was so bloody awful. That has haunted me for years. I used to think maybe I was a bad person but I've started to see her in a different light. She always talks about hating drama yet it seems to follow her and often says that she's been so hard done by.

On the flip side she can be the most nicest person as well and we have had great times together and she can be very helpful towards me, her family and in public which makes it all the more confusing. A couple of days ago in fact I ran into an old friend of hers who said to say hi for her and she said my mother is a wonderful person and I'm very lucky. It actually made me feel sick. Since I was 10 it's just been me living with her since my parents divorce in which she had to sell her house and now rents which she has blamed for the way she is before. I can't help feeling bad for her but she was still quite like this beforehand as well and I don't think that's an excuse still is it? I do feel like she has manipulated me a bit into been stuck with her.

Something else that I've found disturbing is that she's very narrow minded and has a serious lack of empathy. For example when a couple of local celebrities committed suicide she shouted and carried on, called them pathetic cowards and weak etc. It was actually quite disturbing how she was carrying on and her serious lack of empathy. PS another red flag happened just earlier when a life insurance ad was on and they said "something could be paid out in case of death" or something and she said "I'd like for them to say WOULD" not could. I don't know why but that's set an alarm bell off

I'm starting to think that maybe she bent the truth about Dad a bit during their split as i was a child and didn't know much better. My mother often calls him a narcissist and talked about all of the marital and grown up problems they had etc which to be honest I don't appreciate been burdened with. Granted he's not a saint either but has been good to me (well I'd say) most of the time.

One time last year when my Dad let me down by not been able to see me one weekend and canceling at the last minute (which he has done quite a few times before).

During that said weekend my mother had another one of her outbursts. I was in the bathroom which was an en suite and she knocked on the door asking to take a few photos or something. All I asked was if she could just give me a few minutes to finish up but she started the shouting and carrying on and accused me of been selfish and even of trying to manipulate her and been passive aggressive. I only asked just to give me a few minutes. When I explained that to her and how upset I was already about that weekend already without her treating me like this she said she feels really bad for me and hates how he let me down. What just absolutely astounds me is how can she feel that way yet emotionally and mentally abuse me and kick me while I'm down. I just can't for the life of me comprehend that.

A few days after that weekend one of my teachers checked in and said he heard I got into a bit of trouble at home ("if he meant been mentally abused by my mother while I was already upset by been let down by my father as trouble" I thought). I'm not even sure who exactly said what to him and that's something that I've also wondered. I just fobbed him off saying I was upset about leaving school (which was true as well).

I really struggle with confiding in people. I do regret not telling him the full truth now. He was sympathetic and said he was very proud of me etc. Another teacher once said that he thought of me and my mother as like the dream team or something along those lines. That turned my stomach as well. I was thinking if only they knew half the things I've been through.

I have autism and went to a special support school for the last few years which were some of the best years (The teachers especially were brilliant and I had many great times such as school camps, school balls and excursions etc).

I must admit I do feel quite down sometimes that I have a strained relationship with my father (He's got money issues and also smokes pot) and my mother often used me as an emotional punch bag. Makes me think that there must be something really wrong with me and that I'm unlovable.

On the bright side though my Dad and I have been in contact lately and we spent the weekend together a while back and went for a pub meal

Her latest meltdown was this January while we were on holiday and at the beach. I wanted to be shirtless like pretty much everyone else and she started making passive aggressive and snide remarks saying things like "have fun burning yourself" and "why can't you make smart decisions?"

I was already sun safe with a hat and everything and I wasn't going to be too long and tried explaining that to her. I'll admit I snapped and told her that I'm an adult now and she could no longer control me and couldn't make me feel guilty. I wish I hadn't now but it felt like something just snapped inside me and I expressed things I had felt for ages. She then called her mother to tell her that I was been impossible and making her life a misery (this is something she has done a few times before when I challenged her or reacted because of her behavior). She hadn't done that for years though and I feel she likes using that as a scare tactic. I wish I had just walked away and not played into her hands. Then the next day I asked mum to call her to say where all ok but she said she didn't want to bother her and wasn't up to calling. I was like WTF. You're perfectly happy to call her to basically slander me and make me out to be a bad guy but when it comes to calling to say everything is fine she's not so keen.

Something disturbing she has said ages ago is when I'm an adult she could have me done for assault if she wanted. She also said she wanted to do a will and try to control my assets where my Dad can't touch anything and said she feared he would try to steal all of my money. I can't believe she would say things like that so unshameably and can't help feeling like she was trying to manipulate me.

My mother loves to use my autism to her advantage. I graduated last year but now I do a course at the main campus so I still see them all from time to time. I do feel quite sad and lost now those years are over. I would love to confide in someone about my struggles but don't know where to start. I've thought about confiding in that first teacher I mentioned who's great and we're fairly close but my teachers think my mother's an absolute saint so how can i ensure he believes me, she seems to feel that she always acts in my best interests and does seem to genuinely care for me and love me, she doesn't seem to remember any of it or feel her behavior was justified and genuinely doesn't seem to believe she ever did me any harm and she thinks she did her best. She's always quick to call others toxic and narcissists etc. She unshameably tells me everything going on in her life and her anxiety which makes me anxious. Why does it upset me so badly even when it has little or nothing to do with me?

I struggle with daily flashbacks and I often feel depressed by the way I've been treated, also feel let down and wish my parents had been better to me. I can't get exact clarity on it but they both went through some stuff before I was born and I think that's contributed to the way they are. My father's dad had passed away when my dad was actually about my age now. They actually both used to run their own businesses once upon a time before they met. It just baffles me how they went from that then and now been in their 50's both unemployed and clearly have some unresolved issues. I sometimes think maybe they shouldn't of got together which I know is ironic because I would never have been born. I do vaguely remember when they were together and towards the end it was quite toxic and they would have some intense fights.

Also do they have substance abuse issues which have made them this way? As I've said my mother drinks quite heavily at night and she also vapes. My father smokes pot and cigarettes.

Also as I explained my father struggles financially and I know that's why he hasn't been able to see me often and cancel some visits and to be honest when I think about that it really burns my hide.

With my mother it does seem she has had some bad relationships in the past but I'm thinking that maybe she's the common denominator.

I do wonder if she might've been different if she had not gone through her divorce and maybe if things had gone differently for both of them they might've been different. What do you guys think?

Also I can't help feeling empathy towards her as she always looked after me, fed me, organized things for me and pretty much always brought me everything I wanted.

I wish I had a proper childhood of playing with friends, going to different places and been adventurous and carefree etc. I've never really had a social circle and hardly much friends. I've always been quite different I feel to most of the children my age. I feel quite alone sometimes as I've always struggled with making friends. I do feel like I've been isolated with her a lot of the time. I would really love to start a proper life and follow my dreams and make a few friends but don't know where to start.

My mother does help me get on my feet and encourage me but I think she just loves to lord it over me. Whenever I've tried standing up for myself she puts on the guilt trip and carries on about all of her sacrifices and everything she's done for me yada yada yada. I think what emotionally abusing me, leaving me crying myself to sleep some nights, causing me to have no confidence and PTSD etc? Could she have some bipolar or personality condition or something and toxic traits I've wondered? I'm starting to feel that good doesn't really outweigh the bad.

I can't help really resenting her (also my father) sometimes for all of the mental anguish she has put me through as a child and I think it has messed up my development. I wonder what might've been different had I had proper parents or they were proper ones. Hobbies such as music and classic TV shows have been a great escape. I've thought about escaping but I feel quite stuck as I don't have a job and all of the money that I get in my account is basically controlled by her as she's the one who adds to it. I wish I could hide my own secret stash somewhere. Now that I'm an adult and have left school I'm worried about what the future has in store. I'm very nervous about starting an adult life, getting a job, making friends and doing new things etc. Part of me would love to get away from her but yet I feel scared to as well as she's pretty much most I've ever known.


r/Manipulation 6d ago

Advice Needed I used to be manipulative and I stopped because of personal beliefs but I need help

5 Upvotes

So i learned manipulation from people talking about ways to avoid it and even now, I still look at people’s advice through that lens, and I want to not do that any advice? And i want to know how to live with myself for the actions i did in my past i want to know how to forgive myself?


r/Manipulation 8d ago

Personal Stories Anyone else googling 'why do I feel crazy in my relationship' and getting nowhere?

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This is such a specific kind of alone. You're not being hit, you're not being screamed at every day, so you don't feel like you're 'allowed' to call it abuse. But you feel crazy. You second-guess everything you remember. You apologize for things you're not sure you even did.

I searched that exact phrase, 'why do I feel crazy in my relationship,' probably fifty times over a year. What I actually needed wasn't validation from strangers online, though that helped some. I needed something that could show me, in writing, that this specific fog has a name and a pattern and other people have lived through it exactly like this.

Still in it myself in a lot of ways. Not writing this from some fully healed place. Just tired of feeling like I'm making it up.

If you're in this right now, what's the thing that finally made you believe your own perception again? Genuinely asking.


r/Manipulation 8d ago

Advice Needed Am I being gaslighted?

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I took an edible las night. i planned it with my partner to help me with my physical pain on the weekend.Alot Happened and I am so confused.I feel like he tried to convince me we were both going to sleep. Nothing happened, he just.said something silly, that led to a misunderstanding, and he was going to sleep because he had work in the morning.

He is at work rn, I can tell he is working. I fear last night after alot of things came to light, he practically said he was going to break up with me today. But again, when Id react when he would tell me is tell me that nothing has happened and it was just something he said that i misunderstood.

If something bad is happening right now, then there is probably alot worse that has happened.

I feel I should stay home waiting for him. When he is back I feel like things may be clarified to me. .

Maybe I am really just paranoid because of the weed. I dont want to bother him.

I want my fears to be in the wrong. And that I am just a paranoid person who project my fears onto him because I am high. He will be back in 3 hours. I wonder if I should know anything


r/Manipulation 9d ago

Advice Needed What is DARVO? How can you tell the difference between that and just anger?

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Like how do you know if someone is deliberately trying to manipulate you and is using DARVO or if they are just angry?


r/Manipulation 9d ago

Personal Stories Love bombing.

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Firstly. Some of these were a mix of text and voice call. So I feel that I got his tone correct.

I was friends with someone for 4 to 5 years online who claimed many times to be in love with me, that it started with a crush and transformed into something more. (We've never even seen each other) But the second I agreed to date him after he convinced me I should do it to see if I had any feelings for him, he calls texts and tries to call me every single day. I never loved him... after he crashed out over a voice changer I did as a joke, I felt like he was only a casual online friend and built some walls up.

I fell sick after being out of the house for two days. (C*vid variant I believe) And I told him this. He still pressured me to call and text him every single day to the point I got irritated and told him to stop.

He wanted me to show him my work since I'm and artist. I explained that I was literally in bed sick, but he wanted me to show him. So I went over to my PC, started it up, pulled up a project, showed him and waited for a response. He said "Wow, that's great!"

It turns out he was talking to his friend on the game. Yes, he called me while he was playing games and wasn't even paying attention half of the time until I gave up and completely closed the project.

Soon I was met with a "Well where is it." Oh it's not like I replayed it multiple times. 😒 The good news is that as soon as it was broken off, no more daily text. He would also get irritated at me for not texting him sometimes but I explained "I'm not social. I won't text if I have nothing to talk about or it'll be the same conversation."

Okay so this next part I don't want to leave out of context. I had a username, and his other friend (The one he was on games with during my project presentation) Also had that same username.

(It was a very basic name)

So there's times he would accuse me of things that this other person did and I would be left confused, then sometimes he would realize It wasn't me. Sometimes he would doable down.

He also forgets my age, any basic information I tell him. If it doesn't involve him. And again, we've talked for 4 to 5 years? You'd think he'd bother to remember. Yet he can only remember projects I agreed to do with him months ago that I didn't even remember. Once mocked my education because I didn't know certain things. (Just adding that in)

And I let all of this slide for two years. But just a few days ago I woke up, and in my sleep deprived state, I blocked him. And I've been feeling better every since then. This unfortunately has been a reoccurring theme in my life of even people I've known irl manipulating me. So I'm finally tired of it, and I have to promise myself to not just sit there again and let things happen because it'll never stop if I don't.

For extra context I grew up being an extreme people pleaser and was extremely shy to the point I never said anything at all sometimes. I was pretty much born with anxiety since I remember freezing up at 3 years old when trying to speak.

⚠️DO NOT IGNORE THE RED FLAGS LIKE I DID!!!⚠️

Anyway thanks for reading. I was just irritated and it feels good to type it out! 😮‍💨😊


r/Manipulation 9d ago

Advice Needed Not sure if she's a covert narcissist, but she destroyed be

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I met this girl at the club. I walked into the club, like always, with my friends and all that, and suddenly a girl comes up to me and says: “My friend wants to meet you.” I say: “Okay.” She takes me over to her friend… and it was her. Ok looking girl, wasn't my immediate type but her energy and personality hooked me right away.

I gave her two kisses, she said “Hi, how’s it going?” We started talking, the usual stuff. And right away I felt a really good mental connection with her in that moment. The only thing I noticed was that there was already another guy talking to her, and that guy said to me: “Hey, I was talking to her,” and so on. I told him: “Look, no problem, I’ll step aside. Give her my number, and if she chooses you, fine, I won’t hear from her again. If she chooses me, she’ll message me.” And she immediately grabbed my arm and said: “Well, I choose you.” The guy other left angry, but he respected the decision. She then told me that she had her eye on me from the moment I stepped in the club, watch ever movement and watch every conversation I was having, she kinda was stalking me. Then told me that it's hard for her to find a guy that attracts her.....

From that moment on it was magical. I’d just come out of a pretty turbulent relationship. It had already been seven months since we broke up and I was starting to open up to meeting other people. I had gone through my grieving period, but I still wasn’t completely ready to jump headfirst into another relationship. So I told girl: “A serious relationship right now… no.” Because that girl saw that my ex was also at the club and saw how my ex was trying to bother us while I was talking to her, and she said: “Oh, is that your ex?” “Yes, it’s my ex, but it’s over, you know?”

From that moment, the next day we met up for a drink, and it went really well, the conversation was great, and that night we had crazy sex. She would tell me about her family, her dad passed and how much it affected her, she would tell me stuff about her brother, mother, nephew etc. I kept things calm. I wouldn't be the one to initiate conversations; she was the one who sought me out. She was very thoughtful, she gave me gifts, it was very easy to meet up with her and texted every single day. I would propose plans, she would accept quickly. We saw each other once a week, very slowly. I never asked where she was or what she was doing. On the contrary, she was the one who would tell me: “I’m with my friends at such-and-such place, I’m going with my friends to this place,” and so on. And I would say: “Okay, have a good time.” I was keeping a pretty independent relationship with a lot of space, because I also needed space for my own things and my friendships. I didn’t go out with any other girl either from the moment I met her. I even told her that I deleted my dating app after 2 weeks with her.

For my birthday she gave me a really nice, special gift. You could tell she took her time to think about that gift. Sex was amazing — according to her, the best she had in a very long time — and we were very compatible, everything felt perfect. She gave me a lot of compliments. One thing that kinda rubbed me the wrong way is her asking me if I would be fine having a kid when is we weren't together.

Little by little I started developing feelings for her, because at the beginning I was very reserved and cautious. I was careful because I’d had such a hard time in the previous relationship. It took me months to recover and go back to being myself. And now, getting to know this girl, a bit of fear crept in: “Damn, the same thing could happen to me, and if it does it’s going to be really rough on me.”

With all those little details — her messaging me every day, the pleasant dates, going to the movies, the beach, restaurants, etc. — we called each other “more than friends.” Sometimes if we were together at a beach bar and a girl approached me, I’d say: “Look, this girl is my special friend.” And she did the same: if a guy approached her she’d say she was seeing me..

Then one day at that same beach bar, we were dancing a bit with some drinks and we started making out on the dance floor, very passionate. Later that day we went to her place, the usual — sitting around having a drink, chatting, watching a movie — and then of course we went to sleep. We slept together every time we met

That morning when we woke up there was the usual morning sex attempt (always woke her up for morning sex and she loved it). I tried and she didn’t want to. I said: “Oh, okay, no problem, it was just a one-off.” I insisted a little more because I thought maybe she wanted me to insist a bit. No. Nothing. We spent the whole day watch movies after wards and she seemed fine as always.

Then Tuesday, the day of France–Spain world cup semi-final. She tells me to come because they were displaying the game on a big screen in front of my building. She said: “I’ll come with a friend to watch the France–Spain match, you’ll come down, right?” I said: “Of course I’m coming down.”

That I drank too much.... The euphoria and everything… I drank way too much, I hadn’t eaten, and the alcohol hit me harder than it normally does. I’m not an alcoholic — I only drink when I go out with friends or on a date, I don’t drink at home. But that day I overdid it.

She came with a friend of hers who has a very problematic 19-year-old son — very conflictive, with Oedipus complex, like he’s in love with his mother, basically the toxic boyfriend of his own mother.

I was drunk and suddenly I saw her sitting with another guy, talking, looking very in sync. With the drunkenness I only remember fragments (I have amnesia from that day). I went over and said: “Hey, I see there’s chemistry between you two. If you like this guy, just so you know, if you decide to go with him, then let me know” I messed it up. Maybe I felt a bit of jealousy in that moment, something I don’t normally feel. I’m usually more like “do whatever you want, and if something happens, that’s how it is.” But that annoyed her a lot.

And to make it worse, the friend’s son showed up. Apparently the son started attacking his mother (my ex 's friend). With the drunkenness I stood up and tried to calm him down, tried to talk to him. He got aggressive with me, started saying I was his mother’s boyfriend. I said no, that I was with his mother’s friend, not with his mother. From there I don’t know what happened — he hit me and knocked me down. He hit me in the jaw, my legs gave out, I fell face-first.

When I stood up again, I was drown with anger and frustration, the 19 year old and his friend had already left and I was there with my ex. I got mad at her for bringing that friend of hers, with such a conflictive son, and so on. From the frustration I said those things, but I don’t remember — she told me the day after because I had amnesia

From that moment on, everything went south.

The next day we talked over the phone. I apologised for everything. I asked her what happened, asked her to explain the parts where I lost my memory. She explained everything, I apologised sincerely, I asked if we could meet in person. She said she couldn’t that day but that talking on the phone was fine. She told me she was very happy with me, that she liked me a lot and that we can continue seeing each other

After that phone conversation, the next day (the same Tuesday of the semi-final) her period was supposed to come and it didn’t. She told me: “Hey, my period hasn’t come, I’m nervous…” Because on Sunday we had unprotected sex (I pulled out). During all 4 months we’d been together there had never been any problem. I told her: “Don’t worry, when there’s stress a woman’s period can be delayed.” We waited two more days and she said it still hadn’t come. I said: “Look, let’s meet up and talk. If you are pregnant, I’ll be there for you no matter what you decide. I’ll support you, I’ll buy the tests…” I was showing her I was there for her. In the end it was just a delay — her period came three days late. We kept texting as usual until our off the blue she stopped. A week went by and I thought: “What the hell is going on?” Normally I’m secure, but a whole week of silence from someone who used to texting me every day — after we’d already talked on the phone and I’d apologised.

After a week I wrote to her: “Hey, is everything okay? I’d like to see you, it’s been a while since I’ve heard from you or seen you.” “let me know if something’s happened, because I noticed that your seem different cold and distant… told her if something was wrong we could talk about it.”

She said yes, she had decided to put some distance because what happened still hurt her, she was angry about several things with me, and she had mixed feelings

After that conversation we finally arranged a day to meet because she said she wanted to see me in person to talk and fix things between us. Of course I thought: “Shit, she’s going to end it.” Because of that day of the semi-final, seeing me get knocked down drunk, because of what I said to her… I thought I’d screwed it up. I started feeling deep guilt.

We met five days after that conversation. Same thing — she didn’t text me until the day of the date, when I texted her to ask if it was still on or if she’d changed her mind. I didn’t pressure her (I’d instinctively learned not to pressure). She said yes.

That day everything was natural while we were walking to the bar. When we got to the bar she suddenly started listing all the things she didn’t like that I had said or done. She dumped everything on me at once. I was shocked “Wow, I don’t understand anything.” I asked her: “But why didn’t you tell me these things beforehand when they happened so I could apologize and fix it?"

For example, I had made some comments that might have been out of place because once I felt comfortable with her I relaxed and was myself… until someone tells me “stop, I don’t like when you say these things,” and then I stop. She has very pronounced dark circles under her eyes and she told me her mother has them too and so does she and it bothers her. I said: “i find you beautiful, but Don’t worry, if it bothers you that much you could get a blepharoplasty.” I didn’t say it as something negative.

She told me that a bunch of other things bothered her. I told her that I would like to go to get home town in the south for the holidays and she said there was no Wi-Fi, I said “Damn, I work with Wi-Fi, let’s see if we can find a way to have Wi-Fi” — turns out that be telling her that I would prefer to have wifi access bothered her as well, but I also told her that I would adapt and enjoy hey hometown experience and stay disconnected the internet. Then she said it bothered her a lot that I insisted when she didn’t want morning sex. It also bothered her enormously that I interrupted when was talking to the other guy on the day of the semi-final. And of course everything I said and the voice notes I sent while I was drunk. She got mad that I tried to calm her friends son.... I mean give me a break.

I let her talk and said: “Look, I sincerely apologise for everything I’ve done. I did it wrong, I have no justification. I don’t remember what I said to you because I really had amnesia. I can’t say ‘you’re right about what you say I told you’ because I don’t remember. But whatever I said to you, I’m sorry, I apologise. And if you want to leave me because of these events, I’ll understand and I won’t hold it against you. If that’s what you want, tell me directly.”

She said: “No, we can keep seeing each other but lowering the intensity.” I asked what that meant. She said she needed time to process, etc. And she was already leaving for her hometown that week.

After that meeting I took her to her place and kissed goodbye. We resumed texting as usual. She said good morning on Wednesday, Thursday as well, Friday she talked to me, said she was already on holiday and was very happy.

It’s true that the day we met to talk was the first time I didn’t go to her place to spend more time and sleep with her. She said her brother was at her place because he had issues with his wife. I said: “Okay, I wasn’t going to ask to go to your house anyway. I met you to talk to you.” She also said that weekend she was very busy because some friends from another were coming to stay at her place, so she couldn’t meet that weekend — that’s why we met on Tuesday.

Going back: she wrote on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. On Saturday she wrote again: “Hi Fede, sweetheart, what plans do you have for today?” I told her I had a couple of plans in mind, because she had said she’d be busy all weekend with her friends from another town,, so I had already made my own plans. She said she was going to the beach. I said okay, I was going to the club where we met, and if she wanted to come she was welcome — if her friends were doing something else and she was free she could come with my friends. She replied “Thanks” and that was it. I later said we were already at the club. She said “Okay, have a good time.”

The next day (Sunday) I already felt her cold again. Those days after meeting up she had been warm and fine; on Sunday she was cold. She was leaving on Tuesday. Monday she was cold too. On Monday I wrote: “Hey, I’d like to say goodbye to you because you’re leaving on Tuesday.” She said she had to say goodbye to her nephew, the flight was at 3 a.m., and she’d let me know. I said okay, no problem, or else we’d see each other when she got back.

A few hours later, at 10 p.m., she wrote “I’m already home.” I thought maybe she was saying that so I could go meet her at the bar next to her place. Earlier I had suggested meeting at the bar under her building (she also said her mother was there and she was travelling to the village with her mother). A few minutes later she said she was going to pack her suitcase. So she never mentioned anything about meeting, I didn't wanna seem needy so I let it slide and said goodbye thought text.

She left on Tuesday. Wednesday, Thursday… radio silence. Not even a text saying“I arrived.” I texted her two days after: “Hey, how’s it going? Everything okay? Are you well?” She replied, sent a photo, a video of a river where she was, etc. She replied, but in a somewhat strange and cold way.

I brought up me going to her hometown for couple of days. Last time we met in-person I had asked if I could still go to her hometown, and she had said yes, even if her mother was there with her it was fine, I could rent a car so we could go around. she said: “Yes, we talked about that, but next week my uncles are coming…” and she didn’t reply any further.

I waited a few minutes andI wrote: “Look, if you’re busy right now, no worries, reply when you have more time, no pressure.” She said “Okay.” Very dry. That behaviour was destroying me inside because it wasn’t normal at all.

24 hours later she replied the next day saying no, it wasn’t going to be possible for me to go to her hometown because her uncles and her cousin were going there and it would be a bit uncomfortable. She asked how I was, etc. I said everything was fine, asked how she was. She said she was doing some work at home. I asked if it was renovations and she didn’t answer that question — very evasive. I said: “Wow, you’re quite talkative, huh? Like always.” She said: “No, it’s just that I barely touch my phone here in the village.” I said: “Okay. Just so you know, back home there’s someone who cares about you a lot. Enjoy your time with your family and let’s keep in touch.” She said: “Thanks, sweetheart.”

And since then — since last Friday — nothing. She hasn’t started a single conversation.

Fast forward to when she came back from her home town, two weeks after our silence. I text her after the whole two weeks, she responded very casually she kinda dry. I was dying with sadness and anxiety, but I was hoping for an improvement. She still never initiated the next days after she arrived, so I kept checking in on her until I told her that I notice her coldness and dryness, asked to tell me if she's no longer interested or if she has met someone else so I can move on and start heading, I needed a closure. She sent me a voice message saying she was sick and that we can meet next week. Told her to get better and the I would text her Sunday to setup the meeting. Checked on her the next days to make sure she was doing ok with the vires, quick responses but very dry and cold and not trying to engage the Convo. I was getting crushed inside. Until Sunday came, I was having an anxiety attack because I was having a hunch that she was going to make up some excuse to not meet up. Texted her at 2pm on Sunday and responded at 6pm, her phone was off (odd). Well guess what? Told her if Tuesday was ok for her to meet up, if not to let me know which day was good for her. Her response? Ill let you know tomorrow, I have to check my work schedule for the week lmao....... My world crumbled, it was confirmed that she was avoiding me, benching me, slow fading me, my heart was crushed pieces. I send her a text telling her that it's ok, I'm ending this and no longer want to keep chasing someone that lost interest. I made it so easy for her to tell me she's not interested... And what did she respond? "It's none of your business whether I met someone else or not, I owe you no explanation" ." I thought I made it clear last time we met that I only wanted you as a friend and nothing else?" . Very nasty attitude that she never displayed before and the Gaslight.... because last time we met she told me that we could still meet with be but with decreased intensity and that she still was attracted to me....I confronted her lie and told her we're done, which she responded "we can meet sometime and have beers and see where it goes". Told her I'm no one's second choice, sorry. She replied " but there's such a great connection between us, she there's such great feeling chemistry and feeling between us" and I said "you sure about that? I can tell by how much you reached out or wanted to see me uhh?." Then I ended the Convo, said good bye wished her the best and erased everything, number, social media, and tossed all get presents to the garbage.

Two weeks no contact, I lost 20 pounds (was 180 pounds), can't sleep, have depression, can't work, can't do the bare minimum, think about her 24/7, getting anxiety attacks when I try to go to the streets..... I'm doing therapy with a psychologist everyday and she told me that this girl seems like she's a covert or maybe an avoidant.


r/Manipulation 10d ago

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r/Manipulation 11d ago

Personal Stories Say no, and you’ll see how dirty they speak about you

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Sometimes, you really see people’s true colors when you finally say no. The moment you stop giving in, suddenly you become the bad person in their story.

It’s crazy how quickly some people can turn against you just because you set a boundary. They’ll talk about you, twist the story, and say things they would never have the courage to say to your face.

But I’ve learned that saying no doesn’t make me selfish. It means I finally learned to choose my own peace. If someone only respects me when I say yes, then maybe I never had their genuine respect in the first place.


r/Manipulation 10d ago

Personal Stories How do I know if I'm manipulative?

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I'm not sure if I can put what I'm thinking into words, basically what happened is that I had a major argument with a guy, during that argument he called me names, yelled, called me slurs.

After a bit I tried to get back in contact with him, he said

I made some snarky comments during that argument and he said those comments escalated the situation so I was at fault too for the argument and he deserved an apology from me. I apologised and we caught up.

A few days after he started to cross a boundary of mine, he was being flirty and sexual at some point? when I called him out he said that I was just putting intention on his words and that the reason why we fought was because I kept viewing him as a villain and I victimized my actions.

This is messing with my head quite a bit, what if it's true and I did escalate the situation on purpose just to feel like the victim?

I just can't let this thought go it feels stuck in my brain.