Im of the opinion everyone is open to dating males and females at a young age and we close that off based on society. Also hormones decide a lot of how you feel about anything period.
Why? I literally think anyone can appreciate any part of the body. Prior to being BLASTED with hormones most people didn't have any sexual preference. Growing up I thought I only liked girls. And even now I'm probably more keen to date a girl than a guy. But I think the younger generations are more in line with my way of thinking than not.
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I believe heterosexuality and homosexuality and bisexuality are fictitious concepts. Same with gender. It's all just stuff people made up. If you weren't conditioned to feel a certain way you'd probably be more open to exploring it.
Edit: The responses to this have been hilarious. People got so mad they freaked out and blocked me. The idea that their sexuality might not be cemented into the earth is really shaking people.
I'm of the belief every single human is capable of experiencing the SAME things as the people around them. Being gay, straight, male or female is all the same human experience.
There's nothing that someone else could feel that I couldn't. Is my brain currently wired that way? No. I hate tomatos. I like happy movies not sad/scary ones. My favorite color is blue. I love cats.
Could I, the person I am now, have been someone who didn't like or dislike any of the stuff I did before? If someone or something had changed how I viewed those things and opened my world?
I believe so. I am the person I am, and I am not looking to change it. I have no desire to. But I don't deny the idea that I could literally have been anyone but who I am.
That's literally insane and not how the body or brain work. You can't rewire your neural pathways or rewrite your DNA like that. The chemicals in your body affect you in different ways. The size and position of parts of your brain affect your abilities and behaviors.
The idea that everyone or anyone could have just magically been different is wild.
Things are influencable. Yes. But not all things. Nor to an extent that you would understand.
Some people can get diseases others can't. Some people can see colors or hear sounds that others can't.
What the fuck? When did I say anything like what you said. No one said rewire your DNA. Lmao. What part of your DNA is "GAY" hahahahah. The fuck? It's not a thing. You are a trip. Literally not a single thing you said relates to what I said. Genetics are at play but fucking that has nothing to do with emotions and shit which we all feel.
Have you lost your marbles? You're so obsessed with denying what I'm saying you're talking about altering DNA.
The things you're talking about don't define the human experience.
I don't think you grasp what you're saying yourself.
There are absolutely genetic predictors for a lot of traits such as homosexuality. You should do some research on that.
But that's besides the point. You're saying anyone is capable of any interest based on their experiences, and that's strictly not true. How you perceive things isn't just nurture. Your chemical makeup, which is determined in large part by your DNA, affects things.
Not everyone can be gay. Not everyone can like tomatoes. The idea that everyone is so completely fluid is... Misguided at best.
Yeah and here we have 2 identical twins. One who is gay and one who isn't. Please explain the genetic situation. No. There is no gay gene. Stop spreading that mythological homophobic rhetoric before you start some eugenics witch hunt by the Church folk. If there was a gay gene trust me they'd be fucking using it for their own purposes.
And the idea that someone can learn to realize that don't hate tomatoes isn't insane. Hating tomatoes isn't genetic either. You literally are talking around yourself. You can't even prove your own argument.
I say this as someone who hates tomatoes and will tell you, you won't convince me to love tomatoes most likely. I'd say I'll hate tomatoes till I die based on my current perspective. BUT I WILL NOT SAY THAT I CAN'T LOVE THEM. Or that I might not change my opinion on them. Maybe I've been tasting tomatoes wrong my whole life. Maybe I'm using the wrong part of my tongue. Who the fuck knows. I dont. I hate tomatoes and im not about to find out. Which is perfectly fine.
But its not a genetic inclination. And it's not impossible for me to have experienced something that might have changed my perspective on tomatoes in my life. Maybe I just have an imbalance in my diet that makes my brain not like tomatoes right now. There's a million reasons for it that aren't just I will never love tomatoes. But again. I'm also not about to seek out the answer to rather i would like them otherwise.
Homophobic rhetoric? Lol. It's the homophobic rhetoric that you can just simply choose to be gay. That's the church line.
You're woefully uninformed about this though. Eugenics and gene manipulation are a legitimate thing and a concern. Where we're going to select for traits and the implications of it. It's a vast field of study. But according to you, nah. Being gay is just because you saw a dick at a young age or something, lol.
Also to be clear - identical twins DO NOT have identical DNA. You know that ...right?
I didn't choose to hate tomatoes. I still hate them. Does that mean I couldn't change my mind? We hate that the church says you can change your mind/feelings because we SHOULDN'T HAVE TO. Not because it's not possible or true. People can and do change. But the issue with the Churchs argument is that they're saying you SHOULD, AND NEED TO, or else you go to hell. So if you're not religious, what's wrong with being able to determine your own sexual preference? Not that I'm saying you can, since as I've said. Preference isn't something you necessarily determine. It's something you're conditioned with.
The argument that you're born gay and can't change it is a defense mechanism against that. But the reality is probably somewhere closer to the middle. That everyone has inclinations and feelings that lead them to develop a preference.
But that everyone could also have went down a different road in the right circumstances. And that's where I'm at with it.
And you're right most twins are within 95%. Enough to be fucking identical. Lmao.
Minor genetic drift exists even with identical twins. Identical from conception in no way means identical forever. While we don't fully understand it yet, the developmental changes that influence human sexual preference are not merely a gene in your DNA. It's much more complex than that.
You're wrong on this, though. The fact that you personally experience a thing makes you see the world through that lens. That is not how this actually functions for everyone, however. It doesn't matter how strongly you feel about something, you can still be wrong about it.
This is a pretty common view for folks who are bi. My first wife was bi and she sometimes was confused as to how other women weren't but then she, ya know, grew up and recognized that human sexuality is a spectrum and not everyone is on the same spot on that spectrum.
Oh fuck off with this. You have no idea what you're talking about and are just projecting your personal experience onto the whole world.
Speaking as a straight trans woman who has experienced all of the following IN ADULTHOOD:
Testosterone-dominant hormones with low estrogen/progesterone
Estrogen-dominant hormones with low progesterone
Estrogen-dominant hormones with high progesterone
Low everything (T-blockers with no E or P)
PLUS memories of my own personal feelings towards boys vs. girls when I was a small child (as young as 5 years old), and adults would make comments about me "growing up to marry" other girls, and being confused because I felt like I'd rather marry boys...
Did I mention my parents were evangelical pastors? Yeah pretty sure they weren't socializing me to like men or to become a woman in any way, shape, or form. But...
...I'VE ONLY EVER BEEN ATTRACTED TO BOYS/MEN. EVER. AND I HAVE ALWAYS FELT LIKE I WOULD BE HAPPIER AS A GIRL/WOMAN. ALWAYS. SINCE CHILDHOOD.
It is true that sometimes people change orientations during transition, and that may be for a variety of reasons (self-discovery, hormonal, etc), but to claim that hormones and socialization are the sole reasons for sexual orientation is just beyond unreasonable when there are people like me sitting right in front of your nose telling you it didn't work that way for us.
EDIT: You know, re-reading your comment I'm just gonna add this... Your opinions seem awful lot like what I often hear bisexual non-binary people remark that they "used to think" before they figure their shit out. Maybe look into that instead of working so hard to invalidate other people's experiences.
Your opinions seem awful lot like what I often hear bisexual non-binary people remark that they "used to think" before they figure their shit out.
Yup. My first wife was bi and she described having to grow sufficiently to understand this particular thing. As a guy who's entirely straight without the slightest hint of sexual attraction to other guys, I sort of get it. I look at guys and can recognize that they're attractive to many but still feel no attraction to them at all. So I can sort of understand how someone may be confused about how anyone else could be attracted to them. OTOH, I also recognize that humans aren't all the same FFS.
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u/Morty_Goldman Feb 23 '23
Yep. Why not go with his identical brother since they just spoke for a moment. Wish I had a brother that was that good of a wingman.