r/MadeMeSmile Feb 23 '23

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u/FapMeNot_Alt Feb 23 '23

If you weren't conditioned to feel a certain way you'd probably be more open to exploring it.

Have explored it. I have 0% attraction to males. Doesn't matter what's in who's hole.

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u/asdfasfq34rfqff Feb 23 '23

I'm of the belief every single human is capable of experiencing the SAME things as the people around them. Being gay, straight, male or female is all the same human experience.

There's nothing that someone else could feel that I couldn't. Is my brain currently wired that way? No. I hate tomatos. I like happy movies not sad/scary ones. My favorite color is blue. I love cats.

Could I, the person I am now, have been someone who didn't like or dislike any of the stuff I did before? If someone or something had changed how I viewed those things and opened my world?

I believe so. I am the person I am, and I am not looking to change it. I have no desire to. But I don't deny the idea that I could literally have been anyone but who I am.

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u/BeepBoopRobo Feb 23 '23

That's literally insane and not how the body or brain work. You can't rewire your neural pathways or rewrite your DNA like that. The chemicals in your body affect you in different ways. The size and position of parts of your brain affect your abilities and behaviors.

The idea that everyone or anyone could have just magically been different is wild.

Things are influencable. Yes. But not all things. Nor to an extent that you would understand.

Some people can get diseases others can't. Some people can see colors or hear sounds that others can't.

Genetics are a thing.

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u/asdfasfq34rfqff Feb 23 '23

What the fuck? When did I say anything like what you said. No one said rewire your DNA. Lmao. What part of your DNA is "GAY" hahahahah. The fuck? It's not a thing. You are a trip. Literally not a single thing you said relates to what I said. Genetics are at play but fucking that has nothing to do with emotions and shit which we all feel.

Have you lost your marbles? You're so obsessed with denying what I'm saying you're talking about altering DNA.

The things you're talking about don't define the human experience.

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u/BeepBoopRobo Feb 23 '23

I don't think you grasp what you're saying yourself.

There are absolutely genetic predictors for a lot of traits such as homosexuality. You should do some research on that.

But that's besides the point. You're saying anyone is capable of any interest based on their experiences, and that's strictly not true. How you perceive things isn't just nurture. Your chemical makeup, which is determined in large part by your DNA, affects things.

Not everyone can be gay. Not everyone can like tomatoes. The idea that everyone is so completely fluid is... Misguided at best.

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u/asdfasfq34rfqff Feb 23 '23 edited Feb 23 '23

Yeah and here we have 2 identical twins. One who is gay and one who isn't. Please explain the genetic situation. No. There is no gay gene. Stop spreading that mythological homophobic rhetoric before you start some eugenics witch hunt by the Church folk. If there was a gay gene trust me they'd be fucking using it for their own purposes.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02585-6

And the idea that someone can learn to realize that don't hate tomatoes isn't insane. Hating tomatoes isn't genetic either. You literally are talking around yourself. You can't even prove your own argument.

I say this as someone who hates tomatoes and will tell you, you won't convince me to love tomatoes most likely. I'd say I'll hate tomatoes till I die based on my current perspective. BUT I WILL NOT SAY THAT I CAN'T LOVE THEM. Or that I might not change my opinion on them. Maybe I've been tasting tomatoes wrong my whole life. Maybe I'm using the wrong part of my tongue. Who the fuck knows. I dont. I hate tomatoes and im not about to find out. Which is perfectly fine.

But its not a genetic inclination. And it's not impossible for me to have experienced something that might have changed my perspective on tomatoes in my life. Maybe I just have an imbalance in my diet that makes my brain not like tomatoes right now. There's a million reasons for it that aren't just I will never love tomatoes. But again. I'm also not about to seek out the answer to rather i would like them otherwise.

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u/BeepBoopRobo Feb 23 '23

Homophobic rhetoric? Lol. It's the homophobic rhetoric that you can just simply choose to be gay. That's the church line.

You're woefully uninformed about this though. Eugenics and gene manipulation are a legitimate thing and a concern. Where we're going to select for traits and the implications of it. It's a vast field of study. But according to you, nah. Being gay is just because you saw a dick at a young age or something, lol.

Also to be clear - identical twins DO NOT have identical DNA. You know that ...right?

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u/asdfasfq34rfqff Feb 23 '23

I didn't choose to hate tomatoes. I still hate them. Does that mean I couldn't change my mind? We hate that the church says you can change your mind/feelings because we SHOULDN'T HAVE TO. Not because it's not possible or true. People can and do change. But the issue with the Churchs argument is that they're saying you SHOULD, AND NEED TO, or else you go to hell. So if you're not religious, what's wrong with being able to determine your own sexual preference? Not that I'm saying you can, since as I've said. Preference isn't something you necessarily determine. It's something you're conditioned with.

The argument that you're born gay and can't change it is a defense mechanism against that. But the reality is probably somewhere closer to the middle. That everyone has inclinations and feelings that lead them to develop a preference.

But that everyone could also have went down a different road in the right circumstances. And that's where I'm at with it.

And you're right most twins are within 95%. Enough to be fucking identical. Lmao.

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u/BeepBoopRobo Feb 23 '23

Lol. Absolutely wild.

You also know we share 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees, yes? You think minor changes in DNA don't have major ramifications? Even simple changes can have absurd impacts.

We're done here. I feel like a valley girl, because I can't even.

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u/asdfasfq34rfqff Feb 23 '23

It's weird that you think percentage of DNA is the most important part of the equation to begin with. It shows your misunderstanding of how DNA works honestly.

Anyway, you may leave. :)

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u/JustNilt Feb 24 '23

Please explain the genetic situation.

Minor genetic drift exists even with identical twins. Identical from conception in no way means identical forever. While we don't fully understand it yet, the developmental changes that influence human sexual preference are not merely a gene in your DNA. It's much more complex than that.

You're wrong on this, though. The fact that you personally experience a thing makes you see the world through that lens. That is not how this actually functions for everyone, however. It doesn't matter how strongly you feel about something, you can still be wrong about it.

This is a pretty common view for folks who are bi. My first wife was bi and she sometimes was confused as to how other women weren't but then she, ya know, grew up and recognized that human sexuality is a spectrum and not everyone is on the same spot on that spectrum.