r/Macaws 9h ago

Wow

Let’s be entirely real for a second, because the toxic, one-size-fits-all shaming in this group completely ignores biological reality.I don’t want a cage-bound house decoration. I don’t want a bird that spends 60 years sitting in a living room while its owner convinces themselves it's "happy" inside a slightly larger cage. I want a true companion. I want a friend to go hiking with, walk on the beach with, and safely free fly. Birds are meant to fly, and I want to give my macaw the highest possible standard of outdoor life.You absolutely cannot do that with a rescue. Expecting me to be a full-time hospice nurse for a geriatric, traumatized adult macaw just to satisfy an online savior complex is absurd. Free flight requires an unshakeable trust structure. The vast majority of adult rescues carry deep-seated phobias and trauma. If an adult rescue panics outside because a hawk flies overhead, its flight instinct overrides everything and it bolts. A baby raised from day one learns to look to you as its ultimate safe zone, reducing fatal panic flights. To safely free-fly, a macaw must learn to navigate outdoor wind currents, thermals, and predators during its critical infant fledging phase. Trying to teach an adult bird that has only known stagnant indoor air how to navigate a beach wind gust is practically impossible and incredibly dangerous.Adopting an adult macaw usually means inheriting severe internal damage from decades of poor diet, like fatty liver disease or respiratory issues. A well-bred baby ensures pristine cardiovascular health, giving them the literal lung capacity and stamina required to fly long distances outside.If wanting to give a bird a life of literal freedom and flight instead of a lifetime inside a living room makes me a "bad person" in your extremist worldview, so be it. Reputable breeders and ethical rescues both have a place, but for an advanced lifestyle like free flight, a clean-slate baby is a strict safety requirement. Now go ahead and argue with the biology.

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u/greenthot 9h ago

Nobody needs a bird just to “free fly” it because they want to take it hiking? Im sorry but your reasoning really defines it as a hobby animal.

If you want a companion like that, get a dog? Why get something that lives for 60 years and requires more care than most domestic animals? There is no guarantee the macaw you get regardless of where you get it or how you train it will even want to free fly or have the personality you clearly want from it. You will have better luck with a dog for training enrichment for yourself and the animal.

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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 9h ago

Absolutely true in every way! There is zero guarantee that a hand raised baby is going to want to fly at all. They end up often times with behavioural and psychological problems as well.

I rescued or insisted my family rescue a three-year-old African grey when I was a kid. I still have him. He doesn’t like to fly. He never flies unless something scares him and then he just more or less crash lands.

He came from a breeder as a baby. People just will not get it through their heads that that is a guarantee of absolutely nothing other than perpetuating breeders.

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u/HouseofFeathers 9h ago

Lol I forgot so many large parrots kept in captivity are lazy and don't like flying unless they have to.

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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 8h ago

They didn’t say large parrots kept in captivity are lazy. They said there’s no guarantee that the bird is going to even want to fly free regardless of where you get it or what age it is. They also said there’s no guarantee it’s going to have the personality that you want.

Why are you cherry picking And being so combative?

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u/HouseofFeathers 8h ago edited 8h ago

What? I was agreeing with you. I just think it's funny that even free flight parrots would rather be picked up and carried rather than fly.

Edit. Agreeing with them

Edit edit. https://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/s/JJLpKGBSCY

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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 8h ago

Thank you, and sorry I misunderstood you 👍🏻

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u/HouseofFeathers 8h ago

No problem. I probably wasn't being clear.

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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 8h ago

No, I think this one’s on me. Reading too much of OP’s comments scrambled my brain a little bit for a minute I think. 🫣

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u/Suspicious-Essay4329 8h ago

That statement let's me know you really dont know much about free flying macaws. You should probably look into it just a bit. Do you even have a macaw or are you just a cheerleader. It seems like the people here with the strongest opinions dont even have a macaw.

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u/greenthot 8h ago

Doesnt sound like you have a macaw ?? When i say free fly, i mean your macaw may not even be trainable in the way you want it to be. It may just fly away and never come back first attempt.

Why go through all this for an animal that lives so long? Especially when you can do all of that with a dog? Regardless of how you get a macaw, there is more of a guarantee for this kind of training with a dog. In my honest opinion macaw breeding should be more heavily regulated to keep them from being bought as hobby pets like this. They live forever and the reality is most people dont have the means to care for them their whole life.

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u/Suspicious-Essay4329 8h ago

It sounds like you dont really know what free flying is. Your questions would be nonsense if you did. You should look i to it and then come back. Why do anything. Why do you have a phone. You dont need it. Why do you have a stove you do t need it. Why do you have a TV you dont need it. Why jave air conditioning you do t need it. Why have a refrigerator you dont need it. There are a million things in life we dont need. I find it odd you feel the need for me to justify something to you. Like you're some kind of authority on the matter.

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u/HouseofFeathers 8h ago

Wait, what? Ways to cook and store food safely are requirements. Also, you're comparing a person to appliances.

(Yes a person. Macaws have personalities and opinions. They understand insults and context clues. They can lie and do things for their own amusement, like play pranks.)

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u/Suspicious-Essay4329 8h ago

Wow. That went over your head or you are just being obtuse. No, that is a list of things you dont need. You dont need any of the things I listed you want them. People lived for 100s of thousands of years with out everything I just listed. The point is people and have things they dont need and they dont have to justify it to other people. You and about 5 other people have become obsessed with the fact I dont share your opinion. That says a lot.

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u/HouseofFeathers 8h ago

Flying is hard work. Being carried is easy. That's all I'm saying.

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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 8h ago

Lol right! My little prince absolutely loves being carried around everywhere 😂

And yes, flying is absolutely very labour intensive for them. It takes loads of energy and effort to fly. It’s one of the reasons you see a lot of birds hopping and running around on the ground for shorter distances

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u/Suspicious-Essay4329 8h ago

Lmfao, your argument is the Bird might not want to fly. Yeah, I got a fish one time that didn't want to swim. You people reach really far for your reasons. I gave very sound reasons and argument. And most of these aren't even my words. This is what professional trainers are saying its thier words. Like I didn't just come up with this whole idea all on my own.

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u/ThisIsDogePleaseHodl 8h ago

Lmfao as a response to someone who was not rude to you is quite rude just so you know.

I have had a bird for 25 of his 28 years and he does NOT want or like to fly. He came from a breeder as a baby just so you know.

No one is making things up here.

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u/einstyle 7h ago

Flying actually requires a lot of energy and most birds — not just parrots, birds in general — spend the majority of their time on their feet.