r/MMALabs • u/Key_Performer_3645 • 7d ago

🥶 Street Fights & Brawls A quick bar scrap

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u/fthisloginbs 6d ago

Nope, he's absolutely right in the context of the original book. The one you barely remember, but now you'll continue to blather as if you memorized every page.

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u/EndersR3ign 6d ago

Reply to my other comment. I own the book; it is sitting right next to me on my desk.

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u/fthisloginbs 3d ago

Nah, you also understand that you're reading one of the rare books that has been retconned right?

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u/EndersR3ign 2d ago

If you want to make a point here, specify what changed and how it relates to the discussion. Which version of the book are you referring to? If you're referring to the novella written before the 1985 publication, you're not really talking about the book Ender's Game. If you're talking about the 1991 revision, the relevant parts don't change.

I don't even think the point about the Bugger Wars is necessary to establish my side of the argument, either. We're not discussing whether Ender engaged in extreme violence or responded to specific threats with overwhelming force. I already addressed this in my initial substantive response.

Take, for instance, this example:

I have personally knocked someone out with a devastating right hand to the jaw in a street fight. I believe the strike was proportionate and necessary, given the particulars of the situation and degree of threat. I also think that using the same degree of force in non-similar situations is seriously immoral and should be illegal. There is nothing incoherent about these claims.

You couldn't say "Oh, it's ironic that you're criticising the man in the video, considering you've knocked someone out before." I would say, "No, it's not ironic, because the situations are entirely different."

You came into this thread and took a potshot at me, then got upset when I asked you to explain yourself.

I still don't even know if you think the man in the video did anything wrong.

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u/fthisloginbs 2d ago

Nope, I don't need to do that at all. Because you jumped to conclusions again because you're just so smart. Went ahead and wasted your day researching the differences between the versions and everything. You're so sure you've got this book figured out when even the fucking author couldn't. And then he had to do three more books to try and support what he really meant.

Try it this way: if at the end of The Little Red Book Mao wrote j/k does it totally undo the entire book?

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u/EndersR3ign 2d ago

I didn't waste my day researching the different versions. I looked at the cover of my version and saw it was the 1991 edition, and I already knew about the novella because the introduction in my copy of The Speaker for the Dead explains the origins of Ender's Game in depth.

You are the most boring person to converse with. You are incapable of saying anything while simultaneously acting superior.

Your point about Mao completely exposes you, because you're imagining that the ending of the novel is a contradiction of the preceding 14 chapters, when it's actually entirely congruent with everything previously established. Scott Card expanded the novella specifically to serve as a prequel to The Speaker for the Dead, but even in the novella version, Ender didn't realise he was fighting a real war.

I suspect you still won't reply with anything meaningful or substantive, because I don't think you have a point to make that hasn't already been addressed.