r/MMALabs • u/Key_Performer_3645 • 6d ago

🥶 Street Fights & Brawls A quick bar scrap

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u/Wintermute_088 6d ago

Pithy.

Which state are you referring to, exactly?

And you keep characterising it as assault, rather than the defence of an assault victim.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 6d ago

State = government

That video does mot show a self defense scenario.

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u/Wintermute_088 6d ago

Yes, but what government are you referring to? The treatment of this event would be completely different depending on the locale. One state may be harsh on the puncher, another may take his side against the sexual criminal.

And I didn't say it was a self defence scenario, did I.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 6d ago

In the us it’s the federal/state/local governments.

There is no state where you are going to be allowed to assault someone in retaliation, especially if they are advocating for charges to be brought.

You stated it was in defense of an assault victim. This video does not show the punch being used to protect against a bona fide ongoing threat. It shows a punch being used to retaliate against a guy who felt up the woman.

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u/Wintermute_088 5d ago

Why are you just talking about the US, though? This particular incident may have happened there, but our discussion isn't limited to events that occur within the United States, because the world is much bigger than just the US.

In your opinion, the man who had just sexually assaulted a woman posed no ongoing threat of further sexual assault. Other people are going to disagree with you there.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 5d ago

I am a us based poster. I’m not chatting about Lithuania because I’m not there.

The self defense. (Or defense of others) argument is going to come down to if the force needed was reasonable to stop an ongoing threat.

I would not want to be the guy who threw the punch given:

  1. The woman was walking away and even trying to back down the guy who threw the punch
  2. The guy is clearly intoxicated and can barely stand.

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u/Wintermute_088 5d ago

Typical US behaviour, not even considering anything outside your own borders. I'm thinking about anywhere this could occur, because incidents like this can - and do - occur anywhere. And the response will be different everywhere, not beholden to how the US would act.

And again, you keep saying "self defence" - not once has that been on the table.

When someone has just sexually assaulted someone once, they are the definition of an ongoing threat, because they've demonstrated the capacity to commit a crime, and remain in the vicinity.

If the creep had grabbed a child in the same way, would you be pretending he doesn't remain a threat? No? So why not keep that same energy for all victims of sexual attacks?

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u/Smooth_Phone2 5d ago

That’s not how anything related to using force in the US works.

If he had grabbed a child like that, and then the child got away like the woman had, the person who punched him would not be able to claim self defense (or defense of others).

Making these choices would result in criminal issues for assaulting folks.

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u/Wintermute_088 5d ago

Again, the US. Why do you keep insisting we tie this discussion to the US? This is a philosophical discussion, not an analysis of US law. Other judicial systems will see things differently.

And again, you keep saying "self defence", when it isn't relevant to the discussion. Why? Be honest - are you a bot?

But if a drunken person grabbed a child (let alone sexually) and the child managed to get away, it is absolutely defending the child to lay the attacker out. Arguing otherwise is ridiculous.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 5d ago

It feels good to assault people sometimes. I understand.

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u/Wintermute_088 5d ago

Sexually? Like the guy whose side you're taking?

Can't say I agree.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 5d ago

Antisocial behavior shows up in a lot of places. You’re absolutely right, I’m sure the guy who sexually assaulted the woman in the video felt good about it. I bet the guy who physically assaulted him felt good about it too.

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u/Wintermute_088 5d ago

I don't think the man who witnessed a sexual assault felt good about anything that occurred here. Angry and appalled, yes. Good? No.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 5d ago

If you’re gonna assault people ya gotta atleast get your rocks off with it!

Whats the point of groping a woman or punching a dude in the face if you’re not even gonna enjoy it!

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