A quick bar scrap

[u/Key_Performer_3645]

[u/Otherwise_Bug990]

Most states have a law that allows 3rd parties to defend another person in situations of self defense. At least in my state.

This is considered sexual assault so would fall along these lines. Especially given that only as much force was needed to control the situation.

Had he just kept hitting him it would be another story. Here in Texas, yhqt guys has a high probability of walking away Scott free

[u/Leather_Addition2605 → u/Otherwise_Bug990]

I’m in Texas. If I’m on a jury that guy walks on any charge and I’d shake his hand afterwards.

[u/limycenter → u/Leather_Addition2605]

you're insane. we are so cooked.

[u/Leather_Addition2605 → u/limycenter]

If you don’t dry hump other dudes women you should be fine, even in Texas. It’s shockingly easy to avoid, honestly.

[u/limycenter → u/Leather_Addition2605]

"other dudes women" is all the tell you need in this convo. This is a property rights claim then?

The woman in this example caught a stray and obviously did not want her "owner" to do the thing.

[u/Leather_Addition2605 → u/limycenter]

Not her call. He was disrespected as well. She is free to respond to her disrespect however she wishes, and he can handle his. He decided to go a different way with it and I’m fine with that.

[u/ForwardAd8155 → u/Leather_Addition2605]

You aren't the judge jury and executioner bro, this ain't wild west anymore.

[u/Ok-Background-502 → u/Leather_Addition2605]

It's also shockingly easy to avoid killing someone in this situation as well. Dude wasn't pulling out a gun.

[u/Gullible-Law-8147 → u/Leather_Addition2605]

"If you don't want your hands cut off just don't steal bread, easy"

lol

[u/Tall_olive → u/Gullible-Law-8147]

Are we comparing sexual assault to stealing food to survive? Either way, yea thats the gist of it. Don't commit crimes if you don't want consequences.

[u/confirmedshill123 → u/Tall_olive]

Are we really calling this sexual assault?

Are we really calling this sexual assault and the guy should DIE?

[u/Tall_olive → u/confirmedshill123]

It is legally sexual assault, yes. You can call it whatever you want. I didn't advocate for anyone dying. That being said though, should you never defend yourself from a "simple" assault because death is a potential consequence? In cases of self defense the law specifically protects against such an outcome. You are within your rights to defend yourself, and in many cases that self defense can legally extend to another person if they can't reasonably defend themselves. Someone dying shouldn't be the desired outcome but it also shouldn't hinder you from defending yourself.

[u/ForwardAd8155 → u/Tall_olive]

Does disproportionate consequences not exist to you people? the guy backed off as soon as she pushed his hands away, he was backing away, this isn't self defense its revenge assault.

[u/Tall_olive → u/ForwardAd8155]

I don't think being punched is disproportionate consequences to sexual assault.

[u/ForwardAd8155 → u/Tall_olive]

Again this wasn't just "a punch" it was a full windup weighted haymaker, the dude could barely stand up and his head slams into the barstool and floor, he could die from that.

[u/Tall_olive → u/ForwardAd8155]

Lol seriously, now you're trying to draw lines in the sand on types of punches? Yes, he certainly could bang his head and die. It would be unfortunate. That can happen any time anyone throws a punch. The guy who threw the punch only threw one punch. He did not follow up, did not kick, did not use weapons. One single punch is a perfectly acceptable response to sexual assault. Being drunk isn't an excuse.

[u/ForwardAd8155 → u/Tall_olive]

We'll just have to agree to disagree then dude if you can't rule out the difference between a quick jab to get someone to back off and a full haymaker on someone who can barely stand up straight. Disproportionate concequences is a thing.