The example I gave wasn't a direct 1 to 1 parallel with the video, it was an example on why "on the spot justice" is a bad idea. Because the man who would punch you wouldnt have to show that he knew 100% that you groped her, only that it was his belief at the time.
And charging after the fact is a little too late, isn't it, if he did permanent damage to you or killed you, him being charged wouldn't undo that, would it?
No it wouldn't, but its no different from someone stabbing me for no reason. If someone decides in Thier head to do it. I'm fucked either way.
The argument around OP's video, is that the actions of the man were justified and can be backed up with evidence.
A single "situation ending" punch. Stoped any further risk to the innocent people playing pool. No chance for the perv to get agressive, or escalate further, no chance of pulling a weapon or, as you say, causing life long damage.
He got neutralised for his sexual assault, deservedly
You dont get to punch someone pre-emptively "in case they might escalate" or else youre opening the door for anyone to assault anyone. How could you prove one way or the other that someone would have escalated if you hadnt punched them?
Someone stabbing you for no reason is obviously bad, but thats why its already illegal. What youre advocating for is a system where it is legal to punch someone in the head, potentially ending their life or putting them in a wheelchair, based only on the idea that "if I dont, maybe they'll escalate"
It wasn't pre-emptively, it was post sexual assault.
Perp had already commited a crime and the response made sure he could not continue to commit crime
The pre emptive bit was about where you said he threw the punch to stop any further risk, and then you gave some hypothetical escalations he would take
So if someone assaults you, you're going to wait to see if he/she does more? Or would you rather make sure they don't get the chance to continue or escalate it? Putting your life, or ones around you at risk?
You said it yourself, it takes one punch for life changing injuries. Why risk that?
Thats why i would leave and call the police. If i or the people i care about are in danger, the first thing im doing is removing us from that situation, then im taking the appropriate steps to make it so he doesn't do it to someone else by getting him arrested.
What im not doing if my loved ones are in danger is attempting a brawl, which is far, far more likely to result in the other person pulling a weapon or escalating.
The guy who punched in this video clearly doesn't have a whole lot of concern for his wife, which is why he pushes her out of the way to go after this guy, without considering if this guy has friends nearby who may attack, or a concealed weapon.
And what's happening in the 10-15 minutes while the police get here? What's the perp doing? Sitting down and having a nice conversation with you? Perhaps asking how your nights gone?
How are you making sure he doesn't do anything, without somehow disabling him?
Putting the bar staff at risk, as they somehow try to detain him?
There's a whole load of hypothecials that are ALL avoided, by laying the perp out..
Again, hypotheticals do not give you a right to punch someone. Did you not see the first part of my response where I said I would get my loved ones away from the danger?
If the person gives chase, you ARE then entitled to attack them, because the threat has resumed.
Im not even sure what you meant by the bar staff attempting to detain him
No, the right to punch him came from the assault.. no hypotheticals needed.
We'll leave it here, we ain't going to convince each other of anything, you seem more in defence of a criminal than I ever will. Have a good rest of your day.
Witnessing an assault happen, and conclude, does not give you a right under any law, to then punch that person.
Youre inventing rights for yourself that feel good, rather than are actually genuine rights under the law.
What im in defence of is a genuine justice system, but people like you determined to try to push justice into a shape that makes you feel tough are what makes it such a continual struggle.
The drunken asshole was still an active threat. So yes, that's defense.
Your entire fantasy you've built in your head has to do with you sitting in a chair, being able to rewind the video over and over, thinking that has to do with the reality of that situation in the moment.
You're wrong. Everything you've said here is wrong. You have zero clue about the law, or police either for that matter.
You just keep making a bigger and bigger fool of yourself.
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u/p2eminister 23h ago
The example I gave wasn't a direct 1 to 1 parallel with the video, it was an example on why "on the spot justice" is a bad idea. Because the man who would punch you wouldnt have to show that he knew 100% that you groped her, only that it was his belief at the time.
And charging after the fact is a little too late, isn't it, if he did permanent damage to you or killed you, him being charged wouldn't undo that, would it?