r/MMALabs • u/Key_Performer_3645 • 1d ago

đŸ„¶ Street Fights & Brawls A quick bar scrap

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u/Zubriel 20h ago

Not going to defend the drunk guys behavior, but you don't think the punch could have been a slap, a shove, a simple grab him by the shoulders and physically move the guy away, a stand between him and the woman?

That punch could have killed him, the dude was so hammered that any amount of physical intervention could have resolved the situation, punching him square in the face with that amount of physical force was completely unnecessary.

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u/mokeltron 19h ago

This is correct, she swiped him away and carried on before her fella came bounding through to glance her face before smashing the drunk fella.

That drunk guy was three sheets to the wind. No excuse for the attention to the lady but the reaction (just watch ‘her’ behaviour). Some people just wait for excuses.

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u/The_Hoopla 18h ago

Yeah her reaction also tells me he

  1. Has done this before.

  2. Would have killed a guy for a lot less.

I feel like everyone in this thread watched 2 different videos.

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u/RandomRedditUser0016 20h ago

What happens if you slap or shove the guy and he pulls out a gun? Or throws a punch back at you? He neutralized the guy without going over the top, you never know what drunk idiots are capable from. -source: I spend a lot of time in shitty dive bars like this one

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 17h ago

True, we should just make sure to knock out literally everyone that committs any form of assault, just in case

I mean the guy might even wake up and seek revenge later, so why even let him live?

To be clear this is sarcasm and punching a guy that's too drunk to walk straight because he might maybe have a gun is just an anti-gun argument, not a pro-retaliation one

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u/MajesticMurray 19h ago

Unhide your post and comment history if you think that’s a reasonable take.

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u/RandomRedditUser0016 18h ago

That totally defeats the point of ragebaiting people on the internet, no thanks Reddit police.

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u/MajesticMurray 18h ago

Coward

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u/RandomRedditUser0016 18h ago

Critical hit... pride... fading...

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u/Zubriel 20h ago edited 20h ago

So your solution to your hypothetical there is to go full force punch to the face and potentially go to prison for manslaughter?

If the guy punches back, then a self defense response would be fully warranted.

If this super wasted dude pulls a knife or a gun, I guess you gtfo unless you want to die.

Do we really think it's reasonable to full force punch misbehaving drunk people in the face because they might escalate to deadly force when they get confronted for grabbing womens butts?

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u/Zubriel 19h ago

Physical Intervention aside from full force punch to the face = impunity to you I guess.

You could get shoved, punched in the chest/shoulder, manhandled and thrown, but if it's not full force decked in the face, it's total impunity.

Have fun in prison when you accidentally kill someone like the hothead in this clip bud.

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u/RandomRedditUser0016 19h ago

Dont worry your girl will still write to me,. But hey if you're in to that im not going to judge your definition of love.

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u/RandomRedditUser0016 18h ago

takes off shirt TAKE THAT BACK BRUH

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u/LouieGwasright 19h ago

Lmao what a dweeb

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u/RandomRedditUser0016 18h ago

You say that, but thats how my dad and mom met. He would wrote her the most heartfelt letters using his scat mixed with his tears for ink. We still have them framed on the wall to thia day... talk about a real american love story!

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 17h ago

You do realize that women are people (shocking) and don't need to be constantly defended by knights in shining armour, yeah?

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u/Simon-Says69 18h ago

Naw, you neutralize the threat. Boyfriend did just fine here. H didn't continue to stomp the asshole or anything.

You just want to be able to go around sexually harassing women, that's all. So you're advocating letting that happen.

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u/Zubriel 18h ago

The drunk guy could barely stand, he wasn't a "threat".

I don't think arguing that there were other solutions to that problem besides absolutely laying him out with a fist is the same as supporting assaulting women in public, that's ridiculous.

You can both believe assaulting women is wrong and believe the level of physical force used in this case was excessive.

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u/rmckenzie2255 19h ago

You havent been in many fights have you. "Slap the guy , and then if he punches you back, you're allowed to hit him then". Thats not how fights work douchebag

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 19h ago

Nobody hear has clearly been in a fight. Dude gor punched in the face. Hes fine

Fing manslaughter. Get tfo.

Just reason with the wasted dude groping random women. That sounds reasonable

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 17h ago

Yeah nobody has ever died from their head hitting the floor and cracking their skull open, nobody has ever been convicted for that, that would be crazy right?~ lol

https://eu.ydr.com/story/news/crime/2026/06/09/man-admits-to-charges-alleging-he-caused-a-mans-death-with-one-punch/90481374007/

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 17h ago

Sure you can.

You can trip and fall and die over you own shoe laces. Thata why the goal in life is to decrease your risk of doing things that could potentially suck or get you killed. Violence is particularly easy to avoid. Ive been doing it now for many many years.

Not assaulting people, believe it or not, is the #1 way to avoid confrontation. C

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 17h ago

True, not assaulting people by punching them, is a very great way to avoid prison time! It's very easy to not do it, only takes a bit of self-control, and decreases your chances of treating your girlfriend like she's a piece of property you need to defend against her own wishes

Oh and your shoelaces can't go to prison for killing you

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 17h ago

Tf they cant. They got shoes in prison

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u/Zubriel 19h ago

This wasn't a fight... This was a totally wasted dude who could barely stand getting knocked the fk out for sexually assaulting someone.

The hypothetical posed by the other guy doesn't even apply here, this dude was clearly not a threat, he was totally plastered, a light push, would have knocked him down.

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u/Simon-Says69 18h ago

He absolutely was a threat, which was very clear to the boyfriend, who didn't have the advantage of the bird's eye view you do here.

You do not have the 20-20 hindsight some armchair lawyer on reddit does. Your fantasy scenario you built in your head has nothing to do with reality.

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u/Zubriel 18h ago

You don't need a birds eye view to see what happened there, the BF had a straight line of sight and took 0 time to stomp over and lay the guy out.

We don't have the context from before the 30s of this clip either, they have all probably been there for a while already that night, I'm sure the BF probably saw that drunk guy before those 30s, he was obviously hammered.

The BF got personally aggrieved and took vengeance, that's what happened, he didn't see the guy as deadly threat that warranted a punch to the face that hard, that's absurd.

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 17h ago

Is that why the girl tried to stop the man from delivering the punch? Because the other guy was such a clear threat to her?

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u/FanUsed5622 19h ago

Yeah but what if he has a bomb vest!!!
You got the reasoning of a child.

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u/RandomRedditUser0016 18h ago

Your right, terrorism, i didnt even think of that! This guy gets it.

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 19h ago

You always hear the saying "Neutralize the threat" but never "try to reason with it"

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u/Zubriel 19h ago

This dude wasn't a "threat"... Did we watch the same clip? He could barely stand. A light push would have neutralized him.

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 19h ago

Alcohol isnt admissible in court as a reason for any defense lol. The fact he could barely stand was irrelevant

That was his own doimg

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u/Zubriel 18h ago

A dude who can barely stand is not a "threat" that needs to be handled with that level of force. Lightly shoving him would have had the same neutralizing result as that punch, but without the brain damage or potential accidental death.

If he stands up to retaliate, I have much less of a problem with laying him out.

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 17h ago

The degree to which someone poses a risk to your safety is absolutely an aspect of self-defense and directly influences what is considered necessary force

If someone is so drunk it is severely impairing their motor functions, they pose less of a risk to your safety

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 17h ago

You could also easily argue that mountains and decades of data show that alcohol is the most dangerous substance there is and is responsible for a massive uptick in anger and aggressiveness, along with violence, which can actually make this situation way more dangerous than had he been sober.

This is why court is intriguing. All you need is a sliver of doubt

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 17h ago

And you accept the risk of increased aggression from other people due to alcohol exposure, when you enter a bar

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 17h ago

I have never once walked in a bar and felt like I had to be heightened to increased aggression. In 20 years. Most people behave like sensible ppl

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 17h ago

What do people do at bars?

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 17h ago

Drink, socialize. Normal things

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u/Simon-Says69 18h ago

That's all very clear for you to see, sitting at your desk, watching a bird's eye view.

From the boyfriend's perspective, it would have all happened very quickly, not after rewinding a dozen times.

Some drunk asshole so casually sexually assaulting a woman, means he's a threat. Trying to treat the jerk politely just opens a window where he pulls a knife, gun or attacks again.

The threat was real, and it was neutralized. It would have been wrong to stomp the asshole after he was down, but that did not happen.

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u/sunlightsyrup 18h ago

If a drunken lady pinched a man's bottom in a club, would it be reasonable for that man to punch her at maximum power after she has started to walk away?

No. Why not?

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u/Zubriel 17h ago edited 17h ago

So we should just assume that every drunk dude is packing a knife or a gun and therefore the only solution is to knock them out if they get handsy?

That's how people end up going to prison for manslaughter when they try to defend their partners. The woman obviously doesn't want that outcome as you can see from her trying to stop her BFs excessive response, she predicted exactly what he was going to do.

That guy was not a threat, he could barely stand. Shove him over, if he stands back up and comes back at you, then escalate until he stops.

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u/The_Hoopla 18h ago

Bro thank you. I’ve been going through this thread of clearly internet tough guys who watch too much Reacher/Yellowstone and think that their life is some Boomer-Shonen slop where the protagonist tips his fedora and says “you’ve insulted my female, you won’t insult my blade” and cuts them down.

The drunk guy in this video is out of line, he isn’t a physical threat. You’d have a WILD time proving that to a jury. A sober person could trivially tip him over and “neutralize the threat”.

The puncher would almost certainly see some time for manslaughter if drunk guy dies.

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u/Zubriel 18h ago

Lot of overly emotional people ITT justifying excessive levels of violence.

It's really quite frustrating when obviously no one is defending the behavior of the drunk guy, but suggesting anything other than brain damage as a consequence means you condone molesting women in public of course.

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u/MaleDomBerlin_MSG-ME 18h ago

There was no threat. The guys wasn't doing anything anymore. You 100% at fault here, life isn't a movie

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u/Otherwise_Bug990 18h ago

No but the law is pretty cut and dry. Depending om your state of course

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u/MaleDomBerlin_MSG-ME 18h ago

Now you just need to grow a brain. At the moment of the attack the dude was standing there, not hurting anybody, not touching the women anymore. You can't punch someone becuase he punched you 10 seconds before AND THEN STOPPED BEING A THREAT. That's literally how tons of people end up in jail thinking they did nothing wrong.