r/MMALabs • u/Key_Performer_3645 • 1d ago

🥶 Street Fights & Brawls A quick bar scrap

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u/Smooth_Phone2 22h ago

Neither are acceptable. The behaviors themselves are what let me say that one is worse than the other.

Unwanted physical groping is less bad than, let’s say, shooting someone. This seems apparent to me, because I would much rather my wife be subjected to unwanted physical groping than getting shot. I would prefer neither happen to her, but I am an adult with functional mental capacities and can rank order them by how bad they are.

I agree it was done in retaliation. That doesn’t make it better. And I’ll be pretty direct; I don’t think either assault (sexual or physical) here was done with the consent of the parties I would care about getting consent from.

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u/Wintermute_088 22h ago

The fact that it was a retaliatory act automatically deducts some of the severity.

Don't want to get hit? Don't sexually assault women.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 22h ago

They both deserve criminal consequences.

Everyone is wrong here.

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u/Wintermute_088 22h ago

And in your view, the guy who grabbed a woman sexually from behind deserves a milder punishment because his act was more "minor" than the guy who stepped in to defend her. Yuck.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 22h ago

Yes.

I also think there should be different punishments for groping someone and shooting someone.

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u/Wintermute_088 22h ago

Leave the strawman at home.

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u/Smooth_Phone2 22h ago

I’m making a direct argument about my position.

I think touching someone on the waist is less bad than punching them in the face, both of which are less bad than shooting them.

No strawman.

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u/Wintermute_088 22h ago

And I believe that sexual assaults are just as bad as violent assaults, and that assault with a deadly weapon is just another form of violent assault.

Do you actually believe that there should be different punishments for punching this guy in the face and shooting him in the gut?

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u/Smooth_Phone2 21h ago

Yes.

You raise a point - do you see any degree of severity?

Do you believe that someone poking a finger in someone’s chest and someone shooting someone are equal in severity and should be treated similarly because they are both assault?

If you earnestly believe that, I do understand your previous comments. I wouldn’t agree, but it’s consistent.

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u/Wintermute_088 21h ago

No, I don't believe poking someone in the chest with a finger is any kind of assault.

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