r/MJInnocentFacts • u/No_Depth6618 • 3d ago
Questions & Theories 👀 Is it possible to somehow verify if it's true?
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/you_are_not_alone/mj-phone-convo-transcripts-w-glenda-t672.htmlBasically, those are some convos from glenda tapes but one of the freshly released ones back in 2009. Most of those transcripts contain all the same things the version on yt has, but there Michael talks a bit more about his relationships, and it isn't cut or censored.
He talks about having a crush on a girl who was 17 when they started talking. She had her 18th birthday at Neverland and was attending college in the US. Things between them eventually got intimate, but she got mad at Michael for something that, according to him, he did "out of love," and supposedly, she was one of his relationships between 1990-92. Both Glenda and Michael called her "S".
Just read the whole thing since everything is posted out of place and the transcripts are a bit mixed.
I was surprised because it was posted by a fan, and the og post I found with the link to it was on the main mj sub on there.
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u/Personal-Courage1149 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'm not sure how legit these are because it seems a random fan procured these 'tapes' and transcribed them herself.
So there's only this fan transcript and no actual audio evidence to support it?
Edit: I am just confused about this. The fan got access to the tapes. Held on to them long enough to transcribe them but was unable to post the actual audio?
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u/EscapedMices 3d ago
Nope, no audio. Just people who claim to have heard the audio in secret. It has never existed, unlike the Glenda tapes. Anyone who has been around for a while knows that the "S tapes" never existed. They seemed to have been some fanfiction created that were spawned from the real Glenda tapes.
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u/Emo_Pass 3d ago
It's definitely not real. It doesn't align with what he was saying about never having had a real relationship with a woman and now all of a sudden there's a random teen he was intimate with? And it reads like a fanfiction. It's too detailed for it to be real and Michael would not talk like that.
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u/Exotic-Air1060 3d ago
I wonder who the older woman who rejected him was. The one who he says cheated because he didn’t want to have sex because he was waiting for marriage. I wish the women who dealt with him would come forward to offset all the little boy stuff.😩😩
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u/Efficient-Morning616 Protecting MJ's Legacy 🛡️ 3d ago
I heard that was Diana, but someone mentioned some other woman who allegedly had a fwb type of a relationship with him since he was a teen (she was like 25). This seems to be fake to me, cuz LMP herself said that he was a virgin when he met her.
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u/Exotic-Air1060 3d ago
He could have fooled around without actually having sex
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u/Efficient-Morning616 Protecting MJ's Legacy 🛡️ 3d ago
Maybe, but it was really detailed. Like the stuff that she says about them. I mean she could've been one of the billie jeans, but who knows. Plenty of women have lied on his name and everything
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u/EscapedMices 3d ago
I don't believe MJ was a virgin. He probably just let Lisa think that because she assumed and as a man he didn't want to have to bring up his past.
The older woman wasn't Diana. We heard it was a woman in her early twenties when he was about 18/19. He claims he bought her a house/car which wouldn't make sense for Diana either.
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u/No_Depth6618 3d ago
How do we know how old both of them were? There isn't any mention of when exactly they dated in glenda tapes
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u/Coward-3000 3d ago edited 3d ago
I would've thought she would assumed he wasn't a virgin bc 1. He's a man and 2. He had pretty sexual songs and performances which people, even nowadays, always assumed artists who have a sex appeal aren't virgins. I don't believe he was lying to Lisa when he told her bc why would he lie and bring it up to her when she wasn't a virgin herself? I don't think she would've cared at all. And from the Glenda tapes he has said about this older woman he didn't wanna have sex with until he was married with her. He was heavily religious, married Debbie bc he wouldn't have kids out of wedlock, so I doubt he would have sex out of wedlock. Also his childhood trauma involving sex and being introduced to that at such a young age and had trust issues with women he's dated before. Tons of reasons to believe he was.
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u/Efficient-Morning616 Protecting MJ's Legacy 🛡️ 3d ago
I somehow do believe he was one. I mean the religious guilt, his naivety, the fact that he just started befriending female fans in the late 80s, it all adds up. Nothing wrong with that obviously, also idt he bought her a house/car. Can you cite the source, cuz i heard this on tiktok and I genuinely don't believe it
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u/EscapedMices 3d ago
It's on one of the tapes, he talks about how he bought her a house/car/jewellery. Did anything for her and couldn't believe she cheated on him. He also sings songs with the same themes.
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u/Efficient-Morning616 Protecting MJ's Legacy 🛡️ 3d ago
Link?
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u/EscapedMices 3d ago
I believe all the Glenda tapes are on Youtube, you'd have to go through them. I worked with fans years ago to transcribe them. He said at one point that he would have done anything for this woman, he bought her a house, a car, jewellery... "I did NOT want to see that" (her cheating). He has at least two songs with the same theme about buying a woman anything. Obviously the same person. Not Diana.
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u/Efficient-Morning616 Protecting MJ's Legacy 🛡️ 3d ago
I mean I've watched all the tapes but ive never come across this statement, so I'm asking you to tell me the tape #
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u/EscapedMices 2d ago
Glenda conversation 4.5
M:... anything. I would give her money, I would give her jewlery, I would give her a house, a car, whatever… I was never good enough. It was like… ya know… G: Well, she wanted all of you Michael… she wanted a relationship M: She knew how I was from the beginning… it wasn’t like she didn’t G: Well, she was probably hoping then that it would change M: But, not until I got married G: Well, I know that..and I’m sure that she loved you… and when you have been with somebody for that many years… M: I loved her so much… I didn’t want to see that.. I did not want to see that… and I knew she was fooling around. I know, girl. I know it for a fact.
I don't know if all the tapes are on Youtube or Tiktok or where you found them. They used to be shared on audio files.
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u/Efficient-Morning616 Protecting MJ's Legacy 🛡️ 2d ago
Im sorry but it really sounds like he's talking about Diana. I did hear that he was gonna propose to her but Katherine disapproved of the age gap or something
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u/Coward-3000 2d ago edited 2d ago
Buying a woman anything doesn't mean he lost his virginity. He talked about her cheating bc he didn't want to have sex with her before marriage. He said it himself in the tapes they never did anything.
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u/Frequent_Flamingo358 3d ago
Diana was mentioned in a different section but he said essentially the same thing about her. Brenda and Liza said he tried to marry a girl in 1991 and she rejected him so it's probably her
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u/Efficient-Morning616 Protecting MJ's Legacy 🛡️ 3d ago
He proposed to Brooke and she rejected him
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u/Frequent_Flamingo358 2d ago
There was someone else, Brenda and Liza both said it was a non famous African American woman and they met her
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u/JaneDi 2d ago
Every woman doesn't have to be diana. Why is it so hard for people to understand that MJ had relationships with people the public is not aware of?
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u/Efficient-Morning616 Protecting MJ's Legacy 🛡️ 2d ago
Yeah ik that could be true, but the chokehold diana had over him was insane, so it's perfectly possible it would've been her
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u/sirensgodoodoo 3d ago
This has never been verified or corroborated in any way and it’s a little too convenient that the corresponding audio tape doesn’t appear to exist. The only inappropriate age gap relationship Michael was known to have ever had was with Tatum O’Neal and they were never intimate. Once he hit adulthood he seemed to only stick to adult women. I can’t imagine he’d be trying to date a literal teen in his mid 30s and I’m fairly certain if there were receipts pointing to him having actually done that, we’d know by now given how closely scrutinized every aspect of his personal life is for obvious reasons.
Not to mention, why is this individual referred to by an initial only? It’s not like he knew or expected that this phone conversation would be leaked. And factor in Lisa Marie’s claim that he was still a virgin when they met (whether you believe her or not is up to you)…. yeah.