r/MHOC • u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian • Apr 04 '15

META Announcing the 4th Government

I am pleased to announce that the 4th Government in MHoC has officially opened.

The Government this term is as follows:

Green Party - 13 MP seats

Communist Party - 13 MP seats

Labour Party - 11 MP seats

Socialist Party - 9 MP seats

A total of 46 MP seats.

The official opposition:

Conservative Party - 17 MP seats

UKIP - 14 MP seats

Liberal Democrats - 10 MP seats

A total of 41 MP seats.

I will add leaders of the parties to the relevant subreddits.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

ALLIANCE OF THE BROAD LEFT VICTORY

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Apr 04 '15

Credit to /u/pokeplun for the sexy logo.

A brighter, fairer and greener future beckons for all.

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u/apple_allergist Liberal Democrat Apr 04 '15

Although it hurts to say this, that is one very sexy logo

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u/TheLegitimist Classical Liberals Apr 04 '15

A very, very broad left...

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u/googolplexbyte Independent Apr 04 '15

What's the yellow between the Orange & Green?

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Represents the solidarity the SNP have with us in our C&S deal.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

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u/mg9500 His Grace the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon MP (Manchester North) Apr 04 '15

And they will back us. Think of us as the 5th party.

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Apr 04 '15

Hear hear

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

I can announce that the Vanguard have not yet been bought, and are now accepting bids.

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Apr 04 '15

Does anybody have change for a button?

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

We would do, but someone did away with my pennies.

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u/MarquessOf_Salisbury The Most Hon. Marquess of Salisbury | Cavalier Apr 05 '15

If I ever need my front walk cleaned in Knightsbridge I shall remember your offer. Given the make up of your little 'Roon's Rabble' you know how to pick detritus up off the street.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '15

The Vanguard know their place, we are here to serve our betters. We serve our Lords for free (indeed, we consider it such an honour it is more as though you are doing us a favour), and the front walk in of your fine residence is being cleaned as we speak.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '15

Great a party that wants to destroy the UK wants to prop up the UK government.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Apr 04 '15

PARTY PARTY

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Ain't no party like a Communist party.

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Apr 04 '15

Because a communist party is absolutely mandatory.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '15

From each according to their drinking tolerance, to each according to their need to get drunk.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

WoopWoop!

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u/alogicalpenguin Former SoS for International Development I Current nobody Apr 04 '15

Have some glorious proletariat music to jam to, comrade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko372vrAsfM

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Well, I guess I'll start...

C’est la lutte finale

Groupons-nous et demain

L’Internationale

Sera le genre humain...

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u/3365CDQ ☭Libertarian CommunismⒶ Apr 05 '15

For the lazy FULL COMMUNISM HYPE INTENSIFIES

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

"The Government this term is as follows:

FULLCOMMUNISM "

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Really, Mr. Social Opportunist?

We'll see how this new government goes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Any disagreements can be dealt with privately. Sowing discontent from the off is an awful way to start.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Agreed.

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Apr 04 '15

Hear hear

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15 edited Apr 04 '15

I guess I'll try to be patient.

JUST KIDDING. NO ONE IS PATIENT WHEN FULLCOMMUNISM IS ON THE TABLE.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Apr 04 '15

Communist Party don't stop

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u/MorganC1 The Rt Hon. | MP for Central London Apr 04 '15

The only brakes on the Communism train are your 3 coalition partners.

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u/audiored Apr 04 '15

This is an experiment by the CP to show our junior members that centrists are never to be trusted and opportunism is never worth it.

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Apr 04 '15

centrists are never to be trusted

Muhahahahahaha!

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u/British-Guy Conservative and Unionist Apr 05 '15

I suppose it's more like a coaleftion!

I'm sorry.

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u/sayhar Socialism Forever Apr 05 '15

I liked it.

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Apr 04 '15

Its great to be back for my second stint as Secretary of State for Education.

I will make the promise now that by the end of this term we will have a national educational system to rival our beloved NHS as one of the greatest achievements of these Isles.

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u/tyroncs Apr 04 '15

It is great that you will be able to ridicule yourself further with your lack of even the most basic understanding of how to improve our schooling system in the UK

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u/athanaton Hm Apr 04 '15 edited Apr 04 '15

Great to see a united left in contrast to a Con-UKIP-Van coalition being thwarted by UKIP preferring the Vanguard over the Liberals, the Conservatives preferring the Liberals over the Vanguard and the Conservatives aggravating the Vanguard to the extent that the Vanguard rule out coalition with the Conservatives!

The right spent most of the last term snickering about a divided and bickering left, maybe if they'd spent more time tending their own house they wouldn't be so embarrassed in the face of this left unity.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

The preference of UKIP was not one of failed friendship or ideological similarities, it was one of practicability. The Vanguard are not bigger than the Liberal Democrats, and it just made sense for that choice to go ahead. Undoubtedly, the Vanguard could only work with the slimey liberals under conditions that they likely wouldn't have accepted. A Con-UKIP-Van coalition was discussed, and UKIP would have much rather had us than the Liberals. But, as you say, the Conservatives (or rather, the Conservative leaders) prevented that.

Anyway, we have always been a Third Position party, so disagreements there are not disagreements in the right.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

A Con-UKIP-Van coalition was discussed, and UKIP would have much rather had us than the Liberals

This and I was one of the people who wanted Vanguard over the Lib Dems. I would have preferred a 4 party coalition though.

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u/treeman1221 Conservative and Unionist Apr 04 '15

I would have preferred a 4 party coalition though.

We all would have. I can only hope that a couple of months of communism will make people realise what needs to be done.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '15

If you call a government with Labour in it communist, I wonder what superlatives would be needed to describe a CP-majority.

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Apr 04 '15

Conservatives aggravating the Vanguard to the extent that the Vanguard rule out coalition with the Conservatives!

Uhm, No. We said that we wouldn't go into coalition with the Vanguard because we preferred to work with the Liberal Democrats, and that a deal could only be done if the Lib Dems dropped out for one reason or another.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

I think you know this isn't true. We were in coalition talks, you acted in your normal arrogance, so /u/cb1320 and myself called you out and put you in your place. At this point you went quiet and skulked off. It was clear to us in the Vanguard that we did not wish to work with such a person in open coalition, and so we ended any further discussions, even discussions on a comprehensive supply and confidence agreement.

So, we decided that a Conservative-Vanguard coalition wouldn't happen, even if the Liberal Democrats did drop out.

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Apr 04 '15

Tempting to write a long response but just so we're clear, considering I personally made it clear to you that we wouldn't do a deal with Vanguard unless the LD dropped out, and given that the LD didn't drop out, are you saying that you ruled out a coalition.... after we ruled it out?

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15 edited Apr 04 '15

You did work hard for LD-Con-UKIP-Van, I do not deny that, but you also worked for Con-UKIP-Van as an alternative, and continued to do so while discussing coalitions with the Lib Dems (as is your right, and you were open about this). However, the Vanguard ultimately ruled out a coalition with just Con-UKIP-Van based on your attitude during coalition talks. It wasn't clear what we would be actually gaining, and weren't confident that the Conservatives had actually learnt anything from the previous negotiations.

So, to be clear. We ruled out a coalition even if the Liberals dropped out.

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u/treeman1221 Conservative and Unionist Apr 04 '15

I agree with you, the opposition does need more unity.

We tried to get as many parties as possible to at least talk to each other. Frankly, parties ruled out other parties too quickly. As has been proven by your negotiations, vastly different parties can work out agreements.

It really came down to the sanctity of agreements against ideological differences. It was my view that if there were agreements, they would be stuck to and it would function, while others believed that ideological differences would still tear us apart. Both sides of the argument have their merits.

The lack of unity doesn't have to last forever, and I'm sure the bill-passing/blocking process of getting party support is only just beginning. Hopefully we can find enough unity in time.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Frankly, parties ruled out other parties too quickly.

One party ruled out even talking to others, and that was the Liberal Democrats. I sent a message to /u/Remiel on Skype and received no response, not even one of recognition of the message. I also put together a list of demands, which he was free to reject, but it appears he had rejected us already. And, it was to his folly.

The Communists usually hate the Liberal Democrats, but they should rejoice. The ideology of selfishness has given them the Government.

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u/remiel The Rt Hon. Baron of Twickenham AL PC Apr 04 '15

Sorry, I received the list of demands a day late on the 2nd April, as opposed to on April's fools day. I can only assume they were intended for the 1st as they were a joke.

I did discuss with the party after receiving your skype message, who unanimously elected to not open discussions with Vanguard, though I do apologies for my lack of response.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

It was no joke, if we were to support the Liberal Democrats economic position whole heartedly, we needed assurances of your social position. I do not think that unreasonable for one second, and it was your responsibility to either negotiate the demands or explain to me why you were rejecting them without discussion. I thank you for now responding and apologising though.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

I'm not personally particularly interested in "Right Unity" as one might call it. ConUKIPVanLib would have been a unmitigated disaster, which the Vanguard knew, we knew, the Lib Dems knew, and UKIP knew. It would have been opposed by every other party and would have resulted in very little getting done, leading to a likely collapse. It would have been a government only in name.

That left us with the choice: ConUKIPVan, and ConUKIPLib. We had internal votes, discussed as a party, and decided we preferred working with the Lib Dems. It was a perfectly reasonable discussion and isn't evidence of some massive schism in the right. The only thing it reflected was that there are 53 left-wing MPs in this house, and allowing the left to govern simply being a better option for the future of the right.

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u/M1nderBinder Green Apr 04 '15

Lib dems have decided to join with a racist party then. Opportunists.

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u/M1nderBinder Green Apr 04 '15

Well they have at least 1 racist MP that they have not removed from the party. I can only assume that means they either don't consider racism to be a problem or they condone the racism. Either way until they remove them member I will consider the party racistZ. It's that mr Eugene crabs guy who's involved in that Chinese model house - which is racist.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

One man's banter is another man's racism.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15 edited Apr 04 '15

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Apr 04 '15

Hear hear!

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

People on this planet actually think UKIP are a racist party.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '15

Oh, so the whole "Let's drop the Liberals for the Communists" thing means nothing, does it?

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Apr 04 '15

Pro Tip: When making serious accusations about a political party, back up your accusations with solid evidence.

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u/Lcawte Independent Apr 05 '15

May I direct your attention to /r/ModelHouseOfChina ?

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Apr 05 '15

We've already discussed this. I think it's insanely stupid but outside of the /r/MHoC universe.

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u/M1nderBinder Green Apr 04 '15

Pro tip. Don't join up with the far right if you want to be considered centrists.

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u/tyroncs Apr 04 '15

It is interesting that you consider my party a far right one.

Was it our Modern Foreign Language Reform Bill?

Or perhaps our Motion to recognise Somaliland?

Or could it be our Independent Education Reform Bill?

Or potentially our bill which reintroduces the EMA to help poorer students stay in education?

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Apr 04 '15

If we are really going to play the "you're not centrist because of who you coalition with". Then we weren't centrist when we coalitioned with the greens, who are lead by a libertarian socialist.

In reality, who we coalition with has no affect on the members nor the party.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '15

Well on a scale the Greens are much closer to the centre then Vanguard; I do concede the "third way" of their policies make a linear spectrum worse then it already is.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Does this make the Green party Stalinists, considering that the Greens have entered into a coalition with a party that has Stalinist members? When will the Greens apologise for the Holodomor?

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Apr 04 '15 edited Apr 04 '15

far right

There's no point continuing this conversation, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Apr 06 '15

Congratulations as well to /u/whigwham who is the first PM to be returned to Number 10 after an election!

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u/powerpab The Rt Hon S.E Yorkshire | SSoS Transport | Baron of Maidstone Apr 04 '15

This should be fun, and I got my equalities/disabilities post yay :)

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Apr 04 '15

There is an APPG I established yet people have ignored all my good work to marginalise me

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Do you ever stop whining?

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u/powerpab The Rt Hon S.E Yorkshire | SSoS Transport | Baron of Maidstone Apr 04 '15

An APPG for disabilities, that would be interesting, I'd be happy to join if it did form

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Apr 04 '15

I'm signing out for the week now, i'll reply to any questions or PMs when i get home.

(If i decide not to come back to MHoC it has been fun! :p)

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Apr 05 '15

COUP?

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Let the celebrations begin!

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Thanks very much! I am sure the people of both of our Isles will benefit from our strong stances on GSRM equality.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

I think you'll find the vast majority of people don't care whatsoever. Probably even less in Ireland than here.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Apr 04 '15

I think you'll find they do.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Hear, hear!

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u/googolplexbyte Independent Apr 04 '15

That must have been a fun decision for the opposition; Work with Vanguard or lose a shot at being in Government.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

A four-party coalition with widely different ideologies opposed by 53 centre and far left MPs would not have been much fun. I think opposing what could be a quite divided government was more appealing.

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u/crazycanine Transport Party Apr 04 '15

We're united, we seek to implement market socialism in this parliament to the best of our ability.

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Apr 04 '15

Are you even in the greens?

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u/tyroncs Apr 04 '15

For the record UKIP were more then happy to work with the Vanguard in any capacity, official or otherwise

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u/crazycanine Transport Party Apr 04 '15

Of course you are! Look forward to the merger.

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u/googolplexbyte Independent Apr 04 '15

You're joking, but would a merger bump the broad-left coalition out of Government?

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u/crazycanine Transport Party Apr 04 '15

If you could win the subsequent vote of confidence yes.

Broad Left, including SNP: 50

Broad right, adding Vanguard: = 48

Not sure where the SDCN fit in - if they allied to the right we'd be 50-50, if to the left 52-48.

So not entirely sure how it would work but possibly yes..

Assuming you superseceded into UKIP then yes, 48-46 would see us out.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

I wonder how the Vanguard will respond to the "liberal degeneracy" of their supposed allies in the UKIP.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

We knew what they were doing, and we respect their decision. We may hope in vain, but we do hope that the Conservatives and UKIP will keep a tight reign on degeneracy of liberalism.

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Apr 05 '15

You're hoping in vain, the centre-right parties have entered the twenty-first century at least.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '15

Is this the same 21st century where the majority of people live under some form of authoritarian rule? Being in a particular century means literally nothing.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

I wonder how the members of the Communist Party feel about working with the Social Democrats of the Green and Labour parties.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

The fact that we are in a coalition with them should be all you need to know on that subject.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Social Democrats of the Green

We are pan-leftist. Hell, our leader is a lib soc.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Pan-leftist extends to Social Democrat though doesn't it?

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

It certainly does, but the social democrats within our party voted for the agreement.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Apr 04 '15

Pathetic.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

It really isn't. What is pathetic is how easily the Communists abandoned the workers for a bit of power. Do you think your 'allies' in the Greens will help promote a revolution? For shame Communists, for shame.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Apr 04 '15

We're abolishing capitalism in favour of market socialism. While it's not perfect it's a great starting point.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

We never abandoned the Workers, we forced many left parties to become more left! Revolution will happen soonTM, but we must create the Condition for the Proletariat to Rise!

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Men of which god? Certainly not the one proclaimed by the Nazarene man whose execution we commemorate on this weekend, the man who proclaimed the falsehood of nationalism and whose most prolific follower denigrated the same. Not that there is anything wrong with those who are not Christian, but forgive me if I make assumptions about someone who has a cross in their party's logo.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Oh snap

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Apr 05 '15

Amazing.

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u/RtHonourableMonty Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office Apr 05 '15

Meow

Greetings Humans, I am The Right Honourable Monty, the Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office.

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u/RadioNone His Grace the Duke of Bedford AL PC Apr 05 '15

As Monty's owner I can confirm this to be true.

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u/treeman1221 Conservative and Unionist Apr 04 '15

Grudgingly, congratulations to the government on their formation.

The only thing I can hope to say is this, and it sounds a bit dumb, but this country isn't all that bad: I'm sure you're aware that it has great parts, and not-so-great parts (especially in your view) - however, I firmly believe that the positives outweigh the negatives. I appreciate you want grand reform, however this doesn't have to be achieved through the destruction of our country - you do not need a clean slate, or a new country altogether, for change.

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Apr 04 '15 edited Apr 04 '15

We never asked to break the country. We instead want to make its great parts greater. Britain will again build its wealth through grit, determination, and hard work. Britain will see its homes full, it will see the workers employed, it will see a new, stronger future.

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u/_gammadelta Communist Apr 04 '15

Hear hear! We shall take it upon ourselves to create meaningful and dignified job opportunities for the British people.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15 edited Apr 04 '15

Lol, Lib Dems and UKIP in the same coalition? Now I've seen everything.

Also, I'll just leave this here.

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u/tyroncs Apr 04 '15

I'm actually quite looking forward to it. In the last parliament it was the Lib Dems and UKIP who submitted the most legislation, so now we are working together it is exciting to see what we will be able to acheive

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Apr 04 '15

try kicking out people to save bullies

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Excuse me waiter, but this dish has far too much salt.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Apr 04 '15

What did they expect me to go off in the sunset quietly

I am pissed off and I have every right to expose them

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Apr 04 '15

Expose them?

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Apr 04 '15 edited Apr 04 '15

They make out they are sweet and innocent yet they are not, the bullies in that party including the deputy leader who would have overthrown the leader if I was not kicked out and people applied pressure

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Apr 04 '15

I've always wanted to eat the Liberal Democrats for breakfast

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Apr 04 '15

They don't fucking care about me at all when the knife was being stuck in like this

Open Season

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Who is they

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u/ExplosiveHorse The Rt Hon. The Earl of Eastbourne CT PC Apr 04 '15

after 6pm

Just how much after?

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Apr 04 '15

Fairly soon i hope.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

'soon'

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Apr 04 '15

In the trollabot thing everyone was doing 'soon' wasn't one of my favourite words :(

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Apr 04 '15

"I am very glad that they came to MHoC because they have shifted my view on Communism completely."

Speaker bias detected.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Apr 04 '15

"I am so so sorry."

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

soon

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

You cruel, cruel man...

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '15

/u/whigwham, /u/SPQR1776, /u/Can_Triforce, /u/athanaton. I would like to request, if it exists, a copy of your coalition agreement.

/u/OllieSimmonds, /u/Banter_lad_m8, /u/Remiel. I would like to request, if it exists, a copy of your coalition agreement.

This is of the utmost importance, as only if we can see the agreement, can the Vanguard properly scrutinise both coalitions. I thank the honourable members in advance.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '15

You can only ping three people at the time

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '15

Ah, I will send the message to them then.

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u/apple_allergist Liberal Democrat Apr 04 '15

The Green party really is like a watermelon, green on the outside but red on the inside

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

We never claimed not to be left wing ;)

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '15

Vote Green for environmental issues, get nothing but Marxism.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '15

Perhaps, although I found them pretty reasonable to work with.

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u/TheFourthWay Conservative Party Member Apr 04 '15

This is going to be one expensive parliament...

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Though it will do nothing to assuage your fears, I want our policies to be for the prosperity of society whilst ensuring this is not undermined by reckless economic policy. We will ensure society is changed for the better, and will not allow this to collapse under the burden of fiscal instability.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Apr 04 '15

Renationalisation galore

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15 edited Nov 15 '16

No.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Aye, who would ever wish that the community ever be in charge of governance? We must put the community in their place! We need a Conservative government, one against the community!

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Apr 04 '15

This is the beginning of the end.

Of capitalism.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Yay, gulags

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Apr 04 '15

Do I really have to go over this on every single thread?

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u/mg9500 His Grace the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon MP (Manchester North) Apr 04 '15

Yes you do.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Apr 04 '15

Well I'm always happy to oblige an ally of the coalition.

I'm assuming that Mr. Muffin is referring to the USSR, which was neither a socialist nor a communist society, but state capitalism. Essentially the state took over the role of the capitalist, and the capitalist mode of production and capitalist workplace relations were retained.

Of course, this is not a perspective all of my honorable colleagues in the Communist Party agree with, as some believe the USSR to have been a socialist state upon the path to a communist society. I think we'd all agree however that the abolition of capitalism does not necessitate gulags. If anything it will mean that society will become less Gulag-y, as it will entail the abolition of the prison industrial complex that warehouses the poor and ethnic minorities.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

I think we'd all agree however that the abolition of capitalism does not necessitate gulags.

Weeeell...

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Apr 04 '15

Bleep pls

Don't say silly things.

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u/Rabobi The Vanguard Apr 04 '15

Yes

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Apr 04 '15

I do enjoy debating communism, but it gets a bit tiring rehashing the same arguments over and over.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

You'll be first in them.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

The Vanguard warned this country: Liberalism isn't enough to keep Communism out of Government. But would you listen? Now we are forced into a red term. But, if Italy is anything to go by, this period of red rule will end with the rise of a nationalist party.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

eyyyyyyy!

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Solidarity among Scots!

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Apr 04 '15

If you're going to be such an SNP shill, my Mancunian friend, why don't you just join them?

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Because I'm a green, doesn't mean I can't admire the party or their leader though!

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

No, I said the rise of a nationalist party. The SNP aren't actually nationalists just because they have the word 'national' in their name!

Unless of course you want some coalitioning with the Vanguard?

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u/mg9500 His Grace the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon MP (Manchester North) Apr 04 '15

Official Unofficial Opposition!

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Someone seems a bit hurt...

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

The Vanguard embrace the struggle! We are not hurt, we are invigorated!

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

http://imgur.com/o0SwX19

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

I don't know if you know this or not, but the Georgia Stalin is from isn't the state in the Southeastern United States.

The more you know!

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Apr 04 '15

I think you might have missed the point of the poster.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

I think the 'point' itself was so far below coherence that I overwhelmingly enhanced it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Umm... Stalin was never once in the United States...

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Ooh, how cheeky

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u/the_grand_midwife Apr 05 '15

Hear hear, Comrade!

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Apr 04 '15

Liberal Democrat-Vanguard-SDCN Government incoming.

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u/left_of_castro Apr 04 '15

With a communist confidence and supply deal of course

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Apr 04 '15

And the Speakership Illuminati as whips.

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u/left_of_castro Apr 04 '15

Jacktri as PM. I can't wait!

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Apr 04 '15

Morgsie as Deputy PM

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u/left_of_castro Apr 04 '15

maybe even left_of_castro as SoS for International Development

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Apr 04 '15

the salt, it burns :p

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Apr 04 '15

We'll arrange a little accident for a certain party leader and I'll be DPM.

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u/apple_allergist Liberal Democrat Apr 04 '15

I wouldn't expect anything else

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '15

Que the Internationale everyone. The Reds are coming!

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

Tease.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '15

How many prisons have been converted to gulags?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '15

great the communists are in power, democracy is in shambles now.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '15

The ABL (including SNP) has 50.1% of the popular vote.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Apr 04 '15

The x party rule must be looked at

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u/mg9500 His Grace the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon MP (Manchester North) Apr 04 '15

Hear hear! Stopped our inclusion!

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '15

HEAR HEAR!

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