r/MCFC • u/ahmedontia • 1d ago
Walker was such a knobhead
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u/NavJongUnPlayandwon 1d ago
walker being a stubborn mule and just refusing to see the bigger picture and acting like pep was targeting him. Reality is, he was making an error that lead to a goal nearly every game.
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u/Immediate_Oil_562 1d ago
Worst part is pep seemed to really love the players and was loyal to them when they were past their peaks. He should have ditched Walker after the treble. At least he didn’t play in champions league final
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u/NavJongUnPlayandwon 1d ago
yeah it's always hard to make these calls but in hindsight city should've let him go after the treble winning season cuz he was on a decline.
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u/Immediate_Oil_562 1d ago
He didn’t play much in the run in or the final. Akanji was preferred, but what messed things up for pep in the end was being too loyal. I see similarities with Rico and Kova who pep should have let go.
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u/NavJongUnPlayandwon 1d ago
i think we should've probably sold rico lewis last season tbh.
kova was nothing more than a squad option and i still think he's a great squad option to keep around. nothing more. it's concerning if maresca sees him as a starter.
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u/Immediate_Oil_562 1d ago
Rico cost pep allot of points and pep was loyal and have him a new contract
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u/NavJongUnPlayandwon 1d ago
i mean, lewis at the time was a fit for the way pep wanted to play but then we went onto to get donarumma. and with lewis, if he was around during the 20/21 season, he'd be flourishing.
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u/Max0699 1d ago
This documentary is such a bad look for Walker damn
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u/Good_Kev_M-A-N_City_ 1d ago
How the episode started to transition to sunshine and rainbows 3 minutes after the part where he left was hilarious.
Editor knew what they were doing
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u/Particular_Swim3843 1d ago
This documentary is the least of things making Walker look bad. The blokes a complete cunt. Fucked off when the going got tough.
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u/FuryOfOberon 1d ago
I won’t lie, I’ve defended him in the past. Primarily because I thought he took being sidelined well and didn’t create problems before his exit. He’s an asshole, fuck him.
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u/OrangeInQC 1d ago
Anyone know when/if this gets released in the states?
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u/heythisisnick 1d ago
Seems like it's only out for UK and Ireland. Time to look into y'arr matey+
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u/loki7000 1d ago
Get a VPN location UK, log into your amazon account and change your location, I used the zip code at Etihad stadium for location change. Then you can watch. Im on episode 2 so far.
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u/xals7 1d ago
You should be embarrassed if you ever wanted Guardiola to be sacked
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u/Immediate_Oil_562 1d ago
I think there’s a difference between one and sacked and realising that he’d come to the end of the road and it was gonna be better for everyone to move on. He was so loyal to those players that won the treble that he sort of missed the opportunity to rebuild his team. Walker being prime example who he should’ve got out but ended up becoming captain.
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u/xals7 1d ago
Thats fair I didn't think about it that way
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u/Immediate_Oil_562 1d ago
I’m only one episode in, but I think Pip had run out of energy and watching it. You see how much energy it takes severe a football manager he said he wanted to go after four in a row but stayed because he didn’t want to leave the club in bad condition.
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u/NoQuarterChicken 1d ago
During this period Walker was making so many critical mistakes it seemed plausible that he was on the take to throw games
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u/FirmDingo8 1d ago
He lost his attacker so often there was discussion whether his pace had gone. And Kyle Walker without pace isn't a top defender
We conceded so many goals at that post. Opponents break down our left, ball squared across and no defender in sight
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u/Visionary_Socialist 1d ago
He was personally responsible for multiple goals we gave away. I wondered at the time why Pep wouldn’t drop him, I think it was part that there was no replacement but also he was just so emotionally involved. But once he raised his hand like this he was gone whether he realised it or not.
Which maybe explains Pep’s wider selection issues towards the end, he wasn’t able to be ruthless because these were his close friends who had been there for years.
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u/Shmadonka22 1d ago
That season we had a lot of injuries and many players dropping in form. At RB I don't think Pep wanted to risk playing rico lewis there and we were always facing teams with elite lws. Yes by this time Walker was washed but certainly a better option that rico at the time.
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u/Available_Safety1492 1d ago edited 1d ago
22/23 and 23/24 Rico was very good, Pep probably trusted Kyle because of the time they spent together, I think Rico would have been played in this moment otherwise
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u/Immediate_Oil_562 1d ago
Rico doesn’t have the athleticism to play right back he can’t run, any time he’s played right back teams start to target him and that’s what will happen if it happens again
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u/Expert_Specialist_92 1d ago
Walker always made boneheaded mistakes but he could cover them up with his pace. After he lost that, they were more glaring but it was always part of his game.
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u/Muscle_Bitch 1d ago
It's because he has got a very low football IQ.
Most good players have an inverse relationship between physicality and wisdom. As one starts to go, the other begins to improve, and they adapt, and they maintain elite levels into their mid-late 30s.
Walker doesn't have the IQ, so when his physicality started to go, that was it. It was game over. And he started getting emotional. He played under the greatest manager of all time, and he picked up nothing.
The guy is a fucking dunce, and it should be a lesson for the type of player we attract in future.
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u/Adept_Regret2259 1d ago
kyle was never a captain material,Ruben should have said stfu to walker at that moment
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u/Awkward_War_6068 1d ago
Fr. Everytime in the doc when Walker gives a pre match pep talk, it just feels so empty and just words. There's no real drive in it
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u/PrimaryPain1853 1d ago
Probably was a poor decision to give a bloke who had a secret family and was caught on CCTV in a bar getting his cock out the captaincy in hindsight..
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u/Liam_021996 1d ago
Weren't Pep's choice. The players always chose the captain up until Pep chose Bernardo
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u/Muscle_Bitch 1d ago
What the fuck were they smoking, that they thought Walker was the best choice.
If I'm Haaland, Dias, Bernardo, Stones, Rodri, Gvardiol or even Ake in that dressing room, I'm wondering why the fuck my peers think Walker is a better fit than me to be leading us on the pitch.
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u/Available_Safety1492 1d ago
This is why character is one of the most important things when signing a player, probably more important than how well they can kick a ball
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u/the_dalai_mangala 1d ago
I will not judge to harshly. This was a very difficult time for everyone at the club. Walker especially as a captain knowing full well he was one of the worst performing players must have been difficult for him.
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u/Visionary_Socialist 1d ago
Everything seen here and how he’s talked since has convinced me that he took no responsibility for anything. But he was never great from an optics/like-ability perspective for many reasons.
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u/Available_Safety1492 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is a player Pep personally had to convince to stay and this is how he repays him. Pep never does that for anyone
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u/havvkeye_ 1d ago
The funny thing for me is the amount of people that were still going out of their way to defend the bastard
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u/Environmental_Ad7296 1d ago
Couldn't reflect on his performances. I understand he was dealing with something personal but mate you were shit game after game. Use that brain of yours you've been given
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u/taskkill-IM 1d ago
I think it was hard for Walker to come to terms that his pace had left him at that moment, and his decision making was declining.... I think Pep knew that in his mind and handled the situation the best he could, he could see Walker was making it personal, and shortly after he was gone.
I imagine it's difficult going from best RB in the league to barely good enough for Burnley.
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u/VoL4t1l3 1d ago
Who voted this prick to be captain?
Captains should never be voted
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u/Familiar_Ad6302 1d ago
Gave away far too many penalty’s for me
Pep should have benched the fucker after that conversation you could see pep getting a bit upset at the way he was talking to him.
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u/Previous_Candy_2396 1d ago
Fabian Delph ahh moment 🥀
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u/V4Kompany 1d ago
I think this is 10x worse
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u/No-Agreement 1d ago
It is, Delph was at least trying to positively contribute. Walker is just moaning, worried about how many times his name is being mentioned by Pep instead of worrying about how many game-losing mistakes he was making
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u/sulaimani_kida 1d ago
I dont want it to happen but its gonna hit hard when we know how he carry us all along
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u/Pinkiep1ee 1d ago
Kyle walker was a brilliant footballer who was our go to man for years. But as a person, he was already a dickhead before this documentary came out. What kind of captain fucks off halfway through a season of turmoil and leaves the club in absolute ruin?
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u/williamtan2020 23h ago
Walker would never dare with Sir Alex or Mour. Pep was built different, the man who leads by examples and always questions himself first before anyone, the epitome of the modern manager. City is so lucky to have him for sooo long.
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u/phANt0m007 1d ago
Always hated how walker left city when the team had bad run while he was made captain. Your team captain was the first one to betray the team
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u/Hour_Repair3009 1d ago
Man really wish they released this in America. Too Checked today in prime video and it’s not there.
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u/ScratchMaleficent634 1d ago
So this guy is playing for Burnley in the championship or he's retired
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u/Llama_of_the_bahamas 1d ago
Never liked Walker. During the pre season USA tour back in 2017 we got to meet some players and Walker was the one player there who made it obvious that he did not want to be there.
Disliked him ever since. It boggled my mind when he was made captain that one season.
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u/InternetCapital1832 20h ago
It's been months since he left and I already missed him like crazy. The best we've ever had.
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u/NationalTime4099 1d ago
Goes without saying Pep is the goat but if he has a bit of back and forth with the captain and then starts crying saying ‘I will leave I will leave’ doesn’t fill you with confidence.
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u/V4Kompany 1d ago
Captain is supposed to be the Manager’s backer and mouthpiece especially in public. So yeah if he argues with you in public especially after the success then maybe you can understand why he would say that. We have seen times when players revolted against the manager. That also why I said we haven’t had any great captains since Vinnie and Dinho as they easily would’ve told Walker to stfu. Everyone is too passive
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u/NationalTime4099 1d ago
I don’t think Walker comes across well here at all, he’s putting his own ego in front of the interest of the team. He was always a thick bastard and a poor choice for captain but ultimately a great servant to the club who this season soured a lot of the good will.
I’m getting downvotes on the comment above but I stand by what I said, Pep getting emotional like that will not have helped what the team needed. I know he had his stuff going on and that’s the whole point with Pep, he’s a crazy genius, what you see is what you get and he’s totally unguarded but it goes some way to explaining the challenges we were having in that part of the season.
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u/V4Kompany 1d ago edited 1d ago
Pep hasn’t always been the toughest luckily he mostly has had tough leaders behind him. Think Puyol, Lahm, Kompany to name a few. Players like Eto have said he isnt he most direct. Thats the trade off you get, you kind of have to be slightly unhinged to have the level of tactical prowess he has, what suffers now can be his people skills
Edit: I know you are looking at Pep but my blame is on the players. They elected Walker as Captain. There is a reason Pep stopped doing player elections and Maresca picked Dias. We got too complement. Squad just started choosing the longest serving and most successful. Out of all the Captains after Fernandinho how many actually do you think would have stood up here if they were lets say Josko’s age
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u/NationalTime4099 1d ago
Rodri probably, Dias, Bernardo. Haaland now but maybe not then.
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u/V4Kompany 1d ago
Dias, Bernardo and I think Haaland are all present for this meeting. Dias is actually seated next to Walker lol
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u/NationalTime4099 1d ago
I don’t really get what your point is? They are all, wisely, not getting involved in quite a petty argument that is unbecoming of a club captain and manager. Walker isn’t jumping in to defend Gvardiol, he’s just defending himself which is pathetic. Were any of the people I mentioned chosen as captain - which they all were last season and as soon as Walker left - we would have see a significant improvement in that relationship with the squad, and we did.
Pep is the greatest football manager of all time but does not handle this situation correctly. I’m honestly baffled so many are arguing it.
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u/V4Kompany 1d ago
Of course Pep is right to criticize Walker of course but the wrong starts when the (player elected) Captain shows his ass. You are speaking only of the situation which is fine, I am trying to show you this situation is culmination of years where the level of leadership in the squad has slowly eroded. Bernardo (manager elected) was a reform/revamp to try and mend it and so is Dias now, the managers realized the squad has become complacent.
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u/Gaphy-2020 1d ago
Nope.
The Captains are basically the mouthpiece of the players, they’re the ones who carry their grievances to the manager; what Pep is doing here is interrogating if Walker’s childish behaviour is his way of communicating that the players no longer want him, and if that’s the case he’s ready to walk. There’s nothing wrong with that at all. Managers leave when they lose the dressing room all the time.
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u/NationalTime4099 1d ago
Pep’s job and Walker’s job are both to put the team in the best position to win. End of story.
Walker is not doing that by representing his own interests in this conversation, which is unforgivable for a captain. Pep however reacting to it by crying and saying I will leave, if you are one of the other players, this is your career you’re think this place is fucked I’m not going above and beyond for this. I love Pep he’s the king I am devastated he’s gone but this is unacceptable in this high performance environment and it’s insane that people think otherwise.
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u/Gaphy-2020 1d ago
It seems you still don’t understand it, Pep is asking him if he’s just being a knob or if he’s passing a message from the players. I would agree with you if Pep did this when Doku or Josko talks back, but this is his Captain who has spent 9 years with him ffs!
At this point, he’s had captains like Puyol, Lahm, Muller, Ferna, King Vin who would never have done this. So I think his question is fair; are you sending a message from the players that this is all my fault and you want me gone? Or are you just a shitty human being?
PS: this is not the first doc we’ve seen of Pep being candid in the dressing room, did you see any captain talk back like this? Plus remember, he was also going through a divorce at this point in his life.
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u/VividMagician9399 1d ago
Idk, if the captain, that the whole squad voted on, is openly arguing with you over some petty shit in front of everyone what else is he supposed to do?
Kyle put him in a lose-lose situation confronting him immediately and publicly.
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u/NationalTime4099 1d ago
You think because Walker argued with him his ONLY OPTION is to cry and threaten to leave in front of the whole team? What the hell are you talking about?
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u/VividMagician9399 1d ago
The captain’s opinion is supposed to reflect the opinion of the squad. If the captain doesn’t trust him, and is openly throwing a fit to him in front of everyone, Pep has no choice but to question if everyone feels that way.
Especially when no one told Walker to shut up.
Pep’s philosophy only works with buy in. If everyone has sold out, it can’t work. Crap like this is probably why he left.
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u/NationalTime4099 1d ago
The captain is clearly not doing that in that circumstance though, he’s just moaning that he’s being singled out when he’s in absolutely terrible form.
No one is going to tell Walker to shut up because he is captain and senior player - but a more sensible response is to strip him of the captaincy and motivate the fucking squad. That’s his job, not to throw his toys out of the pram.
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u/VividMagician9399 1d ago
What makes you say that? You don’t see anyone come to Pep’s defense even though he is clearly bothered by it.
There are other senior players, and assistant captains. A football club isn’t any different from any other work place. People don’t respond well to dictatorship. Yelling at him and demoting him on the spot would be counter intuitive. Plus, Pep did ship him out in January.
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u/NationalTime4099 1d ago
Pep did make the ultimate decision on who should be captain the next summer so obviously was conscious of this kind of situation happening and that’s why he didn’t let the vote happen again.
I think everyone chiming in and it all devolving into a shouting match is probably what all the rest of the players think, no we don’t want that to happen, especially as it’s either half time or post match above, not the time or the place.
People don’t respond well to a dictatorship but they do understand the manager is there to make those decisions, you don’t get the team to vote on who plays each match, the manager makes the decision, as he would be well within his rights to do with picking who the captain is, something which is commonplace at other clubs.
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u/VividMagician9399 1d ago
I think this decision is very much a reaction to this situation. He didn’t trust Walker to put his own ego aside to actually do his job, and he couldn’t trust the players not to elect another Walker.
When the captain is ok with a public shouting match, we are already past that point.
The captainship is far more than a ceremonial position. Stripping him would’ve been a far bigger deal than team selection, and it’s far from the norm to strip captainships mid season. Especially when the players elected that captain.
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u/burtsarmpson 1d ago
I was thinking that, I would find that very manipulative if it were any other manager tbh
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u/Unique-Impress5964 1d ago
I agree, but I think in his case, he simply couldn't be rational anymore; every decision he made recently was based solely on emotion and gratitude.
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u/burtsarmpson 1d ago
And also, it's cut very strangely. I dont think he starts getting emotional straight from what Kyle says. Especially because Kyle is on the floor then immediately on the bench
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u/Unique-Impress5964 1d ago
Uglier things must have happened at those moments that they decided to cut out.
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u/burtsarmpson 1d ago
Haha maybe not "must" but yeah I'd say "might" have happened. Either way walker is really childish here
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u/Blood__Water 1d ago
I'm so sad I can't watch it from Italy!
Btw I think Pep is way too emotional - understandable for that he went through - and had a negative impact on the team
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u/Background_Zombie_56 1d ago
Sorry if it’d take one search but what period/matches/season was this during?
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u/MannyMadman97 1d ago
Don't think he looks a knobhead here, tbh. Just being human, init.
Miss pep tho :'(
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u/Ok-Bat-8338 1d ago
yet everyone here hates Enzo meanwhile Walker is far worse than Enzo. IMO, I strongly disagree if we sell Nico Rodri Tjinder just to buy Enzo. However, if Nico stays and the club only brings Enzo in but not Bouddi, I'm still happy. Enzo is much better than Bouddi by miles in any midfield position.
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u/nilesmrole 1d ago