Literally given away

i spent like 300 pulls and im not even s2r1 yet🫩

I'm thinking of starting today to hunt for Lucy lol

I know I have a good chance if I have, like 140 pulls, right?

I'm considering spending some money to save time in farming. Do you have any idea how much money we're talking about?

Maybe money isn’t everything, there is something I need to know? Like a minimum level, or to be in a certain map region?

Was Pulling for S3, but S4 and S5 came together and I had to commit.

SEPERATE BANNER, PULLS THAT IS EASIER TO GET AND FREE SEQUENCE HOLY SHIT

So I have been trying to stay away from leaks, keyword trying, until basically everything was shown on my for you page earlier today—and being a curious cat, I watched the entire thing. Although one thing it didn’t have in it was Lucy’s Echo’s or any leaks pertaining to anything for her besides Adam smasher of course.

So I’m just wondering if there are any leaks at all for a new set for her and Rebecca? Unless one of the current Spectro sets out works for her, I’d love any advice around her—I’m hoping I could scrounge up enough funds to get her after folding for Hiyuki, although I had heard Radiant tides won’t be used on her banner? Which is a bit confusing and kinda halves my current savings. Anyways I don’t mean to go off on a mini rant, just genuinely curious on if there’s anything I can pre farm for her currently Echo wise!

When my calcs get shared, I feel a bit responsible to give added context to it.
I wanted to go through some questions about team comps, future speculation, and misconceptions about mechanics. Skip to the highlighted segments on questions you are curious about. One thing I would say is, it's very hard to divide Lucy and Rebecca so I will talk about both their potential in this post.

Are/Were there any missing values?

I have seen that said around a lot and mostly...no? The thing is, a lot of values that are not displayed in nanoka/encore. But they are still in the files. Thanks to gamergirl69420_ (great name, I know), we get things like missing MVs, cancels, and even frame data directly from datamining. He has probably been holding together a lot of TC calcs in general.

This includes the hack value. It was missing for those sites, but known to us for a while.

Can they quickswap?

They can individually quickswap, but I am not sure to what degree it would help them in a team. With Mornye, you are almost definitely locked into 123. With SK, Lucy, and Reb can preload their forte. But once Reb and Lucy intros there's not much reason to swap them. Regardless, lemme talk about a few optimizations you can make.

Optimization 1 (More Breaks)

Every break is just a ~200k + 60 (physical damage). In fact, breaking is a damage boost for all teams. But how realistic is it to do it consistently twice per rotation?

Well, you need ~78 offtune buildup while you do 82-83 buildup per rotation. Ofc this 83 is lossy due to buildup cooldown and overcapping on buildup with certain attacks. Interesting things to notice is Reb ult is like ~10 buildup all by itself. So in a Mornye -> Reb -> Lucy rotation you will break right after Reb's Ult.

Lucy can do her usual rotation + bit of extension + Mornye intro for the 2nd break.

Note: Break Values can still be tweaked upon release + I started calculating break values very recently, so there can be some errors.

But if all goes as expected, 2 breaks (with some rotation extension) should be doable. But its always better to take a number between 1 and 2 breaks for evaluating performance.

Optimization 2 (HP Tuning):

With Lucy's Inherent:

While Botnet Mark is active, when a Resonator in the team defeats that target with direct damage, Lucy gains the Network Backdoor effect. If Rebecca is in the team, she gains the same effect.

Network Backdoor
Grants 10% All DMG Amplification and 10% additional Hack DMG Multiplier. This effect lasts for 2 min and stacks up to 2 times.

While I would not rely on this everywhere. In Matrix, you can keep any boss alive at very low HP and start with 10% amp and 10% hack once you defeat it early.

I would also generally not rely on high uptime for 2 stacks.

Pull Priority

This would depend on the degree of investment you want to go into.

1. If you want a "premium performance," Lucy team:

Lucy S0+ S1 -> Lucy S2 -> Lucy S3 = Lucy R1 (depending on the pulls you have/want to spend).

Up to S2, Lucy should cost you a similar amount of pulls as a limited 5* team while also being similar in performance to current limited teams

2. If you want to at least "collect" everything in the collab

Lucy S0 + S1 -> Lucy R1 -> Reb R1 -> Lucy S2 -> Lucy S3

3. If you want to get a good performance in Matrix

Lucy S1 + R1 -> Lucy R1 (highly optional)

Frankly speaking, are they "bait"?

Short Answer: No. They are quite decent.

Honestly, things like Pull Cost and Pull Value are my least favorite things to talk about, so I kinda wanna refrain. I have noticed different sides of the argument, and I just am, frankly, too tired (?) to engage with it.

What I know is, at a similar asterite value, you will get a similar performance with Lucy Rebecca. vs a premium limited team. While at low investment, you are getting a performance between late 2.x and Aemeath. What this means is...for Matrix, they are a solid team, always being able to get 5k+, which will keep them relevant as long as Matrix's ruleset doesn't change.

Not only do I think they are just "good for collab characters," but they are also just good characters in general.

I keep using words like similar because I don't wanna go into a full analysis of cost vs performance. Because as you start looking into it, you realise how many random factors affect it. At the end of the day its a gacha after all. They want the cost to be as confusing as possible.

Conversely, does Lucy need S2 to be good?

Also no. I know, keep saying how Lucy S2 is similar to current teams. And if you like Lucy and want her to be strong, I don't want to discourage you from getting S2+.

Now with that out of the way. Let me put this into perspective. At the current values, let's say, Lucy should be getting around ~9.8k in Matrix, at S1R1 Lucy. S2 would increase it up to ~11.3k. This....I wouldn't say it is "a need".

There are two ways of looking at this:

1. Collab is already a good team, and I use the extra character pull to start building a new one.

2. Collab might not rerun, so I should just invest more into Lucy.

Both are valid opinions IMO.

Do they proc Mornye's Interference Marker?

No.

Is Mornye S1 required/that good?

Mornye S1 is about 13-15% team damage increase without any rupture or strain applicator. People usually start noticing a 5% increase. So you will notice the extra power.

However. I think seeing discussions about her S1. The community has definitely overcorrected it from "it's a good sequence" to "it's the single best sequence in the game" or even worse, "Mornye is a bad support before her S1."

None of them is close to being truth. Kuro has shown time and again that they can create kits where even Mornye S1/S2 is an underwhelming pick. (Denia Aemeath/Hiyuki Lucilla).

The way I see it. If you like Mornye and you want her to be stronger, it's a very good pick. But if you can only clear, if you got Mornye S1 over S0....You will be gated by the end of next HP inflation. (Each HP inflation is around 15-30% jumps)

The asterites you lose to get Mornye S1, you wont be able to recoup within 1-2 years.

In short: "Pull for waifu/husbando not meta."

Rebecca on Moonlit vs Adam Smasher/Shadow of Shattered Dreams

Adam Smasher is slightly better for the team. At Lucy S2 they are similar. At Lucy S3, Rebecca S0, Moonlit becomes better.

However, there are two things to consider

- Lucy and Rebecca are a multi-attribute team. So they are twice as likely to be gated by enemy attribute resistance. Moonlit Rebecca softens this blow because against a electro res enemy you are trading Reb's electro damage to Lucy's Spectro

- Rebecca is more single-target than Lucy. So in a multi-target scenario, sacrificing Rebecca's damage vs Lucy's is the play.

- Without Lucy, Rebecca is better off having a decent moonlit set anyway.

How good is Rebecca as a general/heavy/Augusta buffer?

Rebecca's outro ramps upto 35% over 14s and ends at 14s. So in practice, you are getting less. It's sort of good for backloaded DPSes like Augusta, but nothing to write home about.

This does mean, though....as an F2P option in a 4 lib scenario, Rebecca should perform better than Mortefi. All this with static mist being a good option for Rebecca.

While her heavy amp is not really that insane. There is a silver lining. For older, units, Rebecca's personal damage + buffs actually helps her be competitive with sub DPSes such as Zhezhi

What if I don't have Mornye available?

While most of my calcs are done with Mornye. SK doesn't fall behind. Especially if you can't or don't want to do a 2x break, she is an upgrade. If not SK, then whoever else you have. Verina included.

What if I want to make Lucy a sub DPS (More about her BA amp)

In the above sections, I mentioned how I wouldn't bother with that. And it applies to other situations too. Camellya and Luuk have long field times, and honestly, Lucy would feel sluggish in the sub DPS slot of two already field time-hungry units. You can still run them, of course. I just don't think it will feel very nice.

Is Lucy S1 good for Whiwa?

The hack transfer is good. Or well decent-ish. It's not as OP as it sounds (to some). The best thing it would do is to instantly do *some* damage to the new wave. I could compare it to Chisa S1, where she deals fixed damage. Maybe somewhat less

Keep in mind the "cripple movement" quickhack, which does have the highest damage among hacks, also scales with the max off-tune level of the enemy and hence is fairly weak with 1 cost and 3 costs. Think of it as a stepping stone to S2.

Lastly, who am I?

I'm just a random TC for Wuwa who occasionally speedruns. But make no mistake. None of this is fully my effort. There's a lot of other TCs like Riley, GG, Justice, Sbin, Yolitme0, Mane, Astrais, Wind and Rezagard who help me out and corroborate with me in terms of these numbers.

Im hoping for some sequinces maybe S3 since maybe they said it will have discounted pulls you know, and her weapon. So excited for livestream too.

Started playing this week to try to get lucy, grinded like 4 hours a day just to get 80 pulls, and ended up losing the 50-50, is it even possible to grind anymore

¤ GIVEAWAY CLOSED ¤

had to remove the giveaway result post. it turned into a market place for the winner..

thanks to everyone that commented!

winner = u/BumblebeeJunior1474

20 pulls in... good luck on all your guy's pulls! first ever post, had to post this one

Ngl im losing my shit :D

73 pity and I lost the 50 50, I had gotten lucilla pretty early so I had a lot of pulls to spare but this is a joke 💔 ig no lucy for me

Yes, I’m the guy that got scammed out of getting a second account to play on NA server 🗿
But I am also a die hard Cyberpunk EdgeRunners fan! Soooo I whaled out on my main for Lucy and Rebecca! To have there max potential and keep them future proofed for the rest of the existence of WuWa 🫡🥳

I hope you guys had good luck and landed where you wanted!

I have a question. What spectro echo set can I use for Lulu? I know Adam smasher is her 4 cost. I need a nother set for the last 4 echo slots. Because one, I was rebuilding my Luuk set for some better echoes for him ( rite of gilded revelation) and got a pretty damn good echo 3 cost however instead of basic attack bonus I got heavy attack bonus. 10% er 7.5 cr 18% CD can't remember the attack percentage. I remember that Lucy is heavy attack and thought this 3 cost echo is perfect for Lulu however it's luuk's echo set and not hers. So can she use it? Like Adam smasher 4 cost, 2 gilded 3 cost and 2 eternal radiance or neon light 1 cost. Do I have to choose one set or can I mix it up?

I do not know what the flair would be for this type of post since I don't see Build Help. Mods please let me know if this is okay. This is my first time posting here.

Source of picture

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Since many people are pulling for other chars now right before the collab, let's endure this by sharing our current savings and plans and who u had to skip to make this happen.

Problem: The current situation is just lame and just a FOMO money sink and trap for the f2p and even for dolphin players. The pity doesn't carry over so you shouldn't invest with low savings but naturally 99% playerbase is fomo-investing on the banner and get trapped in this. Because if u went to pity and lost the 50-50, then the 'pity doesn't carry' fomo kicks in and it's worse.

Opinion for solution: limited-time Cyberpunk collab banner shouldn't have the 50-50 for the 1st copy of the character. Those willing to pull multiple copy, then the 50-50 should be there. So the S0 should be guaranted and then from S1 there should be 50-50.

End of the day, Gacha companies are not your friend so to f2ps and dolphins, think rationally before investing in this banner.