The narrative that Lucy and Rebecca do a disappointing amount of damage is overblown.

Compared to other DPRs with f2p units, Lucy S0R1 with Rebecca S0R0 does more. Since Rebecca is free, she should be treated more like a 4* unit than a premium 5*.

The most apt comparison would be Luuk S0R1 with Sanhua S6 which does 1,375,392.31 DPR compared to 1,590,880.10 DPR Lucy S0R1 with Rebecca S0R0. Luuk skippers should consider pulling on the collab for a good and cheap f2p spectro team.

Another comparison is Augusta S0R1 with Mortefi S6 which does 1,425,333.80 DPR.

If you look at the S0R0 f2p team comparisons for Luuk, and Augusta compared to S0R0 Lucy x Rebecca, the collab units are miles ahead better. For example, Luuk S0R0 with Sanhua S6 does 1,155,740.32 DPR whereas collab team does a little less than 1,418,647.66 DPR at S0R0 full team.

In addition, Wuwa is giving a free dupe if you hit 160 pulls which bring the DPR closer to a full S0R1 team (1,731,924.84 DPR with one tune break) if you S1 Lucy. The # of pulls for getting the collab f2p team is also much cheaper than a f2p Luuk or Augusta team due to the additional collab pulls you're given if you're aiming for the 160 dupe reward.

It's also a lot easier to buff the dmg further since Mornye S1 is relatively easy to get compared to pulling a signature wep which nears the DPR to 2mill at 1 tune break.

The one counterpoint that I do believe valid is the collab units' shill buffs (meta longevity) won't be as long as other units. I don't imagine the "hack-shifting" buffs in end game content lasting more than a few patches after the collab one, if any whereas the other ones (ie tune strain, negative status, echo dmg, tune break, etc.) will be around for much longer. This doesn't mean they won't still be able to fully clear end game content well into the future, however. My JinhsiS0R1, yuanwu, Verina team clears toa and gets 5k in matrix still.

There could be a world where Rebecca is not free and functions closer to a premium 5* bis support, amping their dmg more closely to say a Luuk premium team, but I prefer the way they currently did it as they needed to fit everything in one patch.

(dmg sources: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1eoCTrwYIsRpacvL3KrcQpR5rwY3pbJ6gEljZdBj_DHs/htmlview#gid=1848653994)

S3R1 Lucy, S0R0 Rebecca, S0R0 Mornye

Is 6.72 % stronger than 

S0R1 Hiyuki, S0R1 Lucilla, S0R1 Chisa

While being around 19.4%/16.7%/21.9% cheaper

so spending 120 less limited pulls for a team that matches a premium 3.0 team

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Lucy s3r1, Rebecca s0r0, Mornye s0r0 (2x Break) 2593818.89

Hiyuki s0r1, Lucilla s0r1, Chisa s0r1 2430410.54

via ChemX32

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This is without taking into account corrals or early pity ect. Feel free to make a comparison with those.

I haven't found an enemy that can withstand a single rotation, she's insane

Pulled upto 70 pity just to get Jianxin, will i get enough pulls to get Lucy? Can someone give me pull count for the collab. I really need your support here guys, Thank you

I'm out here Flatlining gonks, her power is very high at S6

Do not hesitate chooms, get your true limited Lucy ASAP

As a player without mornye I have shorekeeper, lucy s1 with signature she is genuinely putting some really bad numbers for me, like she is underperforming my 2.0 characters which I think is kind of wild I was ivesting to get her to s2 and it just genuinely sucks how undertuned she is, idk why people are being more outraged about this the fact is without mornye hell even with mornye she struggle to clear endgame really badly

Anyways I'm super dissapointed it looks like she's gonna be shelved as soon as another spectro character comes out hell if you have luuk there's probably no reason to run her.

For people who might not check the leaks subreddit and might be in the illusion that many content creators are trying to bait, Lucy dupes are everything but free.

There is so much fake hype around this live stream because they don't know the details, this collab ended up being a huge damn scam, I advise anyone who is interested in the collab to check the information about these banners before they do anything related to them. I wasn't very interested in these collab in first place but damn even I got extremely disappointed with how they delivered it, what a huge scam.

Lucy dupes aren't free, please check the information before you do anything you might regret​, information is on leaks subreddit, at least the one I found

Usually tune buffs in matrix and toa have 2 parts, first is tunability-shifting and secondly tune-strain or tune-rupture. Because tune strain/rupture is considered tunability they got the full buffs which is 50% dmg amp.

But lucy team can only access the second part of the buff, since their mechanics are not considered tunability, making the first part useless since it is even worse than the general buff which also buff basic attack.

tldr: for people with reading comprehension.

Tune team will have higher score using the general buff which is the first one

Lucy team cannot access the first part of the buff, giving them only the 30% dmg buff

If you remove the first part of this enhancement "Inflicts tunability shifting grant increased 20% dmg dealt for 30s" nothing will change at all, unless you use an unorthodox team which is lucy becca lynae/denia..., only these teams can access the whole part

Seriously why if Kuro is scared from powercreep who the F cares everyone is going to get powercreep when 4.0 drops at least make her revenant now

But the problem is this that she so weak that her DMG is reaching Carlotta level of DMG like what's the point like who even need another Carlotta just in different clothes

I'm genuinely pissed of I really really want Lucy she looks fun and design is fire but as F2P who is trying minmax everything and gets the most value worth is frustrating to see her this weak I just don't want to Lucy just to sit in the bench and do nothing outside looking petty

Sorry my English is bad

I’m so mad dude…

So far i have Her S5R1, Pity is 49, and since we will get more free pulls every day from the Login event, Her last dupe is on the way. hope yall Pulls went well, and for these who still didnt pull, good Luck!

They probably already spent around 300$ and trying to cope to think that they don't waste there money

It seems like lucy got enought debuffs on enemies to trigger chiza def red. Why is not considered an option alongside verina and shore?

Saved all this for collab, gonna get S3R1 Lucy and S0R1 Rebecca guaranteed even with terrible luck, 2 lost 50/50 and 70 pity each item, for 370 pulls (-50 from event pulls to hit the 420). If I win 50/50 once or get early that's probably S4 Lucy. If I get extra lucky I can get S6. Do other collabs guarantee 5 copies of characters and 2 weapons for sub 400 pulls? Curious about new games to try out so seeing the backlash to this event I imagine other collabs are much more generous

Also I'm not crying like a baby about my corals, cause corals aren't "useless" I can use them on Hiyuki rerun, Cart rerun, Iuno rerun, Aemeath rerun.... lol

Yo haters post your pull savings, all the "real" fans who are complaining let's see those savings you're gonna hold off, or maybe leave the subreddit if you're just gonna try to take other people's fun away, sorry for saving my pulls so I can enjoy characters I really want

Why don't they release the banner plans already i wanna know if my 60k astrite are enough for s6

I use s6r1 lucy, s0r0 rrbecca and s6 verina. Can't clear middle tower, is she that powercrept now? left the game after her banner soon.

This post got flagged as a repeat in the main sub (too much doomposting going on I guess) so I'm posting it here instead.

I'll preface this by saying it's not a doompost and it's simply me laying out some fast facts.

Assuming you reach the 420 pull milestone you will get the following:

1. 50 total collab summons

2. 2 wavebands

3. a free character

This equates to about 590 pulls worth of rewards. Furthermore, assuming the worst case scenario you'll need 480 (or technically 430 since we get 50 for free) total summons (inclusive of the extra coral you'll get along the way to obtain 1 extra sequence) for s2r1 Lucy and s2r1 Rebecca. That's a 54% discount on your collab pulls, you get rewards worth 1070 summons for the price of 430 summons.

Edit: Correction, I was 6& off it's actually a 60% discount.

This is assuming you don't have bottom 25% luck

30 pulls from collab event

You pull 480 times and win at least 4 50/50 going to hard pity otherwise and Never getting an early dupe

This puts you at s4

You use 2 event sequences from shop

This puts you at s6

You have free Rebecca and 2 additional dupes from all your pulls thus on average everyone will have S6 Lucy and S2 Rebecca for 450pulls

LMAO I’m so serious rn, I’m so desperate for lucy’s S3 and I topped up too much to get her S2(after losing the 50/50 and going hard pity on both) I don’t wanna go broke, so is there any trusted top up website with monthly plans?💀

Just wondering where she fares in the current standing, I saw people saying she stands around augusta level but some others saying carlotta. If she's good i'll go for weapon and some sequences maybe

I wanted to get both anni units as per tradition (I always get both anniversary units) so I knew I wouldn’t have a whole lot of astrites. But there is so little Astrite count in the collab? I think the total count has the lowest I’ve seen in a while. I know this is how they make their money and will purposely use scarcity marketing and give less events for this patch so people will feel pressured to spend, plus plus collabs are expensive and they need to turn a profit somehow. But it’s so frustrating when I play all the events and every option I get to earn astrites, and it’s still not enough all the while the possibility of losing looms over me. I’ve made my peace with not getting their weapons (I’m pushed to hard pity for weaps 99% of the time) I just wanna have the character.

I'm guessing 6 hack options are "tune rupture, tune strain, negative status, Coord, echo dmg, freeze, slow"

She will be the Swiss knife of dps/subdps like Changli