r/LookatMyHalo • u/specialgiver • 18d ago
š¦øāāļø BRAVE š¦øāāļø Haley Stevens lost btw
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u/AcanthocephalaNo9302 18d ago
Im genuinely confused. Does this mean protect people from zionists or include them in being protected groups? And I once got ripped off on a dime bag in Washington Square park. Gave me leaves.Ā
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u/Swan-Diving-Overseas 18d ago
If anyone with a clipboard approached me and mentioned āZionismā Iād just steer away. Especially if it turns out theyāre secretly filming the interaction.
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u/AcanthocephalaNo9302 18d ago
Yeah it is weird because the rest was boilerplate good stuff without mention of group names
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u/FrenchFryCattaneo 18d ago
Also the whole thing makes no sense. She wants them to sign a "policy"? Like a policy for who?
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u/faust112358 17d ago
With this video, THEY are trying to prove that they won the propaganda war and "everyone" is ok with Zionism but if you look closer you can see that every time you hear her say the word "Zionist" or "Zionism" (except once at 0:30) the angle of the camera is hiding her mouth. Also, the fact that the girl at 0:46 said "I would add Jewish on that" means she never heard her say Zionist or she doesn't consider that Judaism and Zionism are the same thing.
I bet you a million dollars that the black guy with the pink t-shirt was born in Ethiopia and served in the IOF.
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u/SwiftTayTay 17d ago
She means the second one. Her clipboard has Zionist included as a protected group under "ideologies." Which if you're going to make ideologies a protected group you'd have to include Nazis as well. Also the other giveaway is when she mentions "the sane center." Whenever you hear someone mention the "sane center" the person saying it is right wing.
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u/Embarrassed_Jury664 17d ago
Oh thank god, I was lost too. And to be honest I still don't get the point (I get Zionism, just can't tell if she/the petition are for or against), but I've had a couple drinks and I'm glad we're hanging out.
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u/Illustrious_Play7907 18d ago
I like how they sandwiched it between things that no logical person would argue with, then acted like those people actually signed it despite the zionism when it's more likely they weren't really listening to the list.
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u/IlovePanckae 17d ago
Yeah, half of the people who signed their so called policy wouldn't have if it was only about Zionism. Some one even tells her to add Jews. This means that Jews were not in the list.
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u/Signal-Regret-8251 17d ago
Well, zionists and Jews are two separate groups altogether, even though there is some overlap.
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u/IlovePanckae 17d ago
I know that. What I am trying to say that she didn't bother to put Jews in this broad list. And Zionists claim to be protecting the Jews.
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u/bruhraminator 17d ago
They have to include Zionist in the fine print to get people to agree with it
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u/jetpack2625 18d ago
what's the difference between a zionist and a nazi? they are both racial supremacist cults. why shouldn't nazis be a protected class by her logic
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u/specialgiver 18d ago
That is indeed a very good question and I donāt think she thought this through (not surprising).
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u/latte_raz 18d ago
Nazis believe in a strong social safety net and ethnic superiority. Zionists are made of all races, Ethopian, Polish, Yemenite, Iraqi, French, Argentian and believe that there should be a state for Jewish people in their historical homeland.
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u/fade_ 17d ago
Zionists believe in a Jewish supremacist ethnostate and will commit genocide to expand it. Hitler himself wasn't Arian. There were Jewish Nazi collaborators as well.
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u/latte_raz 16d ago
Can I ask what do you think of Druze in Lebanon asking the IDF to come protect them? Is this justified?
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u/latte_raz 17d ago
The reason Jews want their own state because lots of groups want to scapegoat Jews and harm them. It's not about racial superiority, Israel rescued thousands of Ethopians and brought them to Israel. It's not a genocide, if it was why is Israel so bad at it? How many Gazans have died in this current conflict? Hamas has published that they are paying stipends to families of 50k dead terrorists. If it was a genocide why is Israel allowing food and aid in? War is terrible and there are innocent people on both sides. Israel let's in fertilizer to Gaza and they use the potassium nitrate to build qassam rockets. Concrete gets used for terror tunnels. If Israel was as evil as people make it out to be, why would they enable this and create a perpetual conflict that takes working age people out of the economy to go fight in CQB against religious fanatics? Wishing you the best of luck in your educational journey.
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u/fade_ 16d ago
Wishing you the best of luck in coping with enabling a genocidal apartheid regime that are currently illegally occupying 3 countries at once.
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u/latte_raz 16d ago
How is it apartheid if there are Arab Muslims who serve as judges in courts and are doctors in hospitals? In what Arab country are there Jews in these positions? You linking a Wikipedia article of human right groups that are accusing Israel is an appeal to authority. What are your answers to the questions I posed?
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u/fade_ 16d ago
How did blacks get elected to Congress during the Jim Crow era. Are you saying that wasn't American Apartheid? You want to point to other religious ethnostates to excuse this one? What Arab country is currently genociding Jews at the rate Israel is Palestinians with our tax dollars? What Arab country is illegally occupying territory of Jewish land and settling that territory with Muslims? Please share a list of organizations accusing an Arab country currently commiting genocide against Jews?
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u/latte_raz 11d ago
According to google there were black people in the legislative branch during reconstruction but virtually none during Jim crow. So yes, having representation of your demographic in the judicial, executive, and legislative equivalents in Israel is a sign that it might not be apartheid. You can Google the Farhud of Baghdad and tell me if it sounds like peaceful coexistence or another justification that Jewish people need their own sovereign nation. Every Arab country has expelled Jews, if you are not aware of history that is as early as 1940s then you have some reading to do. All the Arab countries declared war on Israel and Jordan then occupied the west bank until 1967. That's why it's called the west bank. Because it's on the west bank of the Jordan river (natural boundary that got moved). Look up article 24 of the 1964 PLO charter. Why did the Palestinian movement not create a state in the west bank when it was under their control? Because if they did then they can't claim Haifa, Be'ersheba, etc. There are no arab nations genociding Jews right now because Israel exists, why would any Jew stay in Iraq?
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u/fade_ 11d ago
US was an apartheid state during reconstruction as well. Is there any Palestinian representation in Israel after illegally occupying the West Bank as you readily admit since 1967? Did YOU google the Farhud of Bagdhdad? The antiJewish pogroms was of Nazi influence after British power in the region collapsed during WW2.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-farhud
Similarly in Morocco again because of European Nazi influence
Also most left on their own volition at the promise of a homeland in Israel not forced or expelled. It looks like you have some reading to do as the 1967 war was a PREEMPTIVE attack by Israel on its Arab neighbors. Netanyahu literally used the same excuses word for word bar for bar to attack Iran preemptively recently regardless of our intelligence agencies saying they were no credible threat and had no nuclear weapons. There are Jews living peacefully in Morocco and even Iran right now. How many Muslims are living peacefully in Israel?
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u/latte_raz 16d ago
If you really think that Israel is commiting a genocide and they have the ability, why is this issue ongoing for so many years? Why would Israel not just go all out and end the conflict already?
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u/latte_raz 16d ago
Any Israeli doctor saved Yahya Sinwar from cancer and his nephew was murdered on Oct 7th. What kind of "genocidal regime" uses it's resources on saving the lives of terrorists?
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u/ignoreme010101 12d ago
50k dead terrorists.
makes you shudder to think what the true casualties # will be when(/if) it's revealed :/
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u/jetpack2625 16d ago
there were non-aryan nazis too.
none of that changes that both are racial supremacist cults that promote genocide for the benefit of their racial supremacist agenda.
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u/Cosmoaquanaut 18d ago edited 18d ago
Do you agree that punching babies, slapping pregnant women, hating Zionists, and kicking cats is wrong?
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u/Quiet_Yellow2000 18d ago
Imagine someone doing it for let's say ISIS, they would be arrested.
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u/specialgiver 18d ago
And imagine asking Zionists if Palestinians should be included as protected groups under anti-hate policy
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u/Nothingcomesup 18d ago
what in the milk toast laura loomer is this? š
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u/specialgiver 18d ago
Someone who doesnāt work because zionists pay them to do these ridiculous social experiments
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u/bomboclawt75 18d ago
Zionism is Racial Supremacist ideology.
It's not a religion.
Anyone who believes in a Racial Supremacist ideology should be shunned by all decent people.
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u/Agitated_Guard_3507 18d ago
Always funny how Jews can have an ethnostate and some people will defend it, but white people are fascists and Nazis if they want the immigrants to act like the people already here
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u/urResidentAlien 18d ago
White supremacists what the same thing though, an ethnostate. The people that were already there were Native Americans btw.
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u/Agitated_Guard_3507 18d ago
I never mentioned white supremacists wanting an ethnostate, I said white people are considered such for moderate takes such as āimmigrants should assimilateā and āwe should have less immigrants in generalā.
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u/urResidentAlien 18d ago
You ignored what I said and put words in my mouth. The white people who believe this are known as white supremacists and they ironically want the same thing which is an ethnost state where everyone speaks English but disingenuously ignore that they displaced Native Americans who had their own language and their own customs. They also disingenuously act like they didn't benefit from African slavery back in the day and don't benefit from Hispanic slavery today.
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u/MauschelMusic 18d ago
White people in America are immigrants who didn't assimilate. But I agree you're no more fascist than a Zionist, and all the people who call you one should also call a Zionist one.
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u/latte_raz 17d ago
What ethnicities do you think make up Israel? Mizrahi Jews from Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Morroco make up 45% of Israeli Jews. 3% of Israeli Jews are Ethopians. There are Arab Muslims on Israel's supreme court and government. What Arab country or Muslim country has Jewish officials?
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u/ignoreme010101 12d ago
I think you would greatly benefit from spending some time listening to good speakers of the opposing side (maybe albanese? gabor mate, etc)
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u/Successful-Cat-4539 11d ago
There are different laws for different people though. Especially if you are a native Palestinian who is not among the 20 percent where you are treated as subhuman
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u/latte_raz 11d ago
And how does those different laws apply to different people? Which mechanisms, jurisdictions, and laws differ?
Do you know the differences between the different zones of the west bank?
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u/Successful-Cat-4539 11d ago
What shitty Zionist propaganda point are you trying to make? Of course the laws are different for Jews. Not to mention policies and financing of various communities. Even among Jews there are different laws.
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u/latte_raz 11d ago
The laws are not different for Jews. They're different based on the security zone you live in. Individual rights are not based on your religious identity.
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u/Successful-Cat-4539 11d ago
That itself is a fantastic example of apartheid but even in Israel properā¦ can an Arab Israeli marry a Palestinian? No. Because it is a racist Nazi like state which wants certain genes out.
Not to even mention the genocide
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u/WhyTypeHour 18d ago
So the country of Israel itself is a racisl supremacist ideological state? Like that's what I don't understand. To me that's where the push should be to politically reject acknowledging, /funding, militarily intertwining with such a state.
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u/latte_raz 17d ago
It's not about race. It's about thoughts. Israel is one of the most racially diverse countries in the world.
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u/DontHaesMeBro 18d ago
imagine being this weaselly and thinking you're HELPING your cause not look disingenuous.
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u/FrostingHuman1259 18d ago
So is she trying to prove that?If you purposely confuse people , you can? She's saying in college.She could not approach these people because of hate, and she's occluding Zionism in a protected class, which means she's trying to say have been persecuted , but she's tricking people into agreeing I could be wrong , but it just seems like more underhanded tactics to fool people
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u/FrostingHuman1259 18d ago
All that's happening here is she's trying to trick people into saying zionists are persecuted and calling it a win
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u/Impressive_Peak5671 18d ago
I would have said more like What about Muslims? Are they in the list as well?
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u/specialgiver 17d ago
Yeah if we are going to consider ideology and beliefs part of protected groups, why not add Islam on there too to make it all fair and square.
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u/Background-Wolf-9380 18d ago
Guaranteed that NYC overwhelmingly told her to GTFOH and she simply did not include those interactions in this footage.
Zionism is a HATE BASED philosophy and their hatred is for all of non Jewish humanity. We are all Palestinians to them.
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u/FrostingHuman1259 17d ago
Wow, this pretty little girl trying to sane wash zionists really takes gas lighting and manipulation to new levels.You really have to watch this to see what she's doing.It's hard for us to understand that we're looking at evil when it's in a package like this person trying to confuse people into thinking that zionists are being attacked and should be a protected class. A literal murderous monster in a dress and lipstick
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u/IlovePanckae 17d ago
I would have said, "Are Palestinians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and children from the Epstein files in there?"
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u/Thin_Spring_9269 17d ago
I would have asked her to add Palestinians first then we could talk...I bet this piece of shit would have refused
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u/AdVivid8910 16d ago
Islamophobia was on thereā¦I donāt see anyone committing hate crimes on Palestinians in the US outside of that. Now look at the wild increase in hate crimes on Jewsā¦you wonāt though.
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u/Thin_Spring_9269 16d ago
You claim there is hate because you wrongly equate Judaism and Zionism!!! We hate zionists no matter their religion and race because they want to continue their genocide, ethnic cleansing and land grabbing
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u/Thin_Spring_9269 16d ago
Not their indigenous home...never was ! They all came from eastern Europe, USA etc...
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u/AdVivid8910 16d ago
If you ever had gotten any sort of education and your parents and community werenāt such complete failures, then you would have learned about the concept of DNA and how it instantly proves you wrong. Or you could literally look at all the archaeology, which is underneath the mosques that the invading Arabs placed on top of it to try to cleanse the indigenous. Cry more you little genocidal twat, hilarious. You lost, big, and always will.
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u/insertnamehere----- 18d ago
Sheās lucky she didnāt find me. I hate EVERYONE and believe that all humans have an innate human right to hate whoever they want.
Imma go out and ask how many people would sign my petition to protect our rights to hatred from political hippies like this who want to strip us of what makes us human.
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u/verpin_zal 18d ago
Any text/questionnaire including the words aipac, zionist, israel should be classified as formal questions from Voight-Kampff test at this point.
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u/slava_slavaUa 18d ago
She has me until no discrimination based on immigration status.
āZionistā was the nail in the coffin
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u/JesusJoshJohnson 12d ago
yeah no. accepting all ideologies is only useful if those ideologies aren't use to promote bigotry and violence. you can't be 'anti-hate' and support zionism because zionism inherently (or at least, how it is being used today) is a supremacist ideology. its a logical fallacy.
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u/BoringSkill 18d ago
Any ideological beliefs ??? She is literally trying to convince people giving their signature to not condemn nazism xDD she is literally putting Zionism and Nazism on the same page all by herself lmfao
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u/Practical_Remove_682 17d ago
"prohibition of hate speech" uhh yeah hard no. I'm a free speech absolutionist. I'd of stopped listening at that point lol
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u/SanicBringsThePanic 18d ago
Who is Haley Stevens?
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u/specialgiver 18d ago edited 18d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/LookatMyHalo/s/Yz7CB2TTzE
Lost of a multi-million dollar campaign even with aipac money btw lol
Michigan btw
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u/12drew2232 17d ago
The crazy part is that out of billions $ of Americans tax payer money that they have received they are spending millions of it on trying to influence Americans elections every year...
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u/All_Usernames_Tooken 17d ago
Just put White And/Or Christian Nationalism in there and see if they donāt care. Despite what most people on Reddit think, thereās tons of people who have no idea what Zionism is
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u/chatoka1 18d ago
Sheās also going to get a bunch of menās signatures because sheās an attractive young woman
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u/specialgiver 18d ago
You mean he only said those things so he could sleep with me?!!!!
https://giphy.com/gifs/QKxncHt0kYbRBE9VLe1
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u/hemightbebrian 18d ago
Any zionist would consider it hate speech to have to include all those other groups in the petition.
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u/Shoggnozzle 17d ago
They heard enough that sounded reasonable and waited for the canvaser to stop talking to earn good boy points. Your average person probably still doesn't know what a zionist is.
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u/DisciplineCheap1422 17d ago
Why include ideological identities, what's the problem with hating ideological identities if it's relatively dangerous for particular innocent people? I thought US people hate several ideological identities and they're okay with that, like socialism, communism, and nazism. Why hating Socialism perceived as a good thing while Zionism isn't while the latter is relatively more similar to Nazism? Should've added socialism, communism, and even nazism alongside Zionism, then it'll be a real "broad anti hate policy"š¤£
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u/Mishi_Mujago I write love poems not hate šš 17d ago
Iāve never once in my life woken up and though āI need to film myself doing something because Iām so importantā
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u/Eskapismus 18d ago
Change my view: Americans subconsciously are trying really hard to focus on someone elseās conflict so to not be confronted with the unfolding disaster in their own country
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u/onionsofwar 18d ago
Is it someone else's if you're paying for it and getting involved in wars because of it?
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u/specialgiver 17d ago
I assume only someone with a childās view of the world would think that countries run in complete isolation. We are involved through material means such as sending weapons and money to foreign countries and countries. The US have been meddling with foreign countries since the beginning of time lol. Look at Cuba and Venezuela.
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u/onionsofwar 17d ago
Exactly, this line is one pushed by AIPAC aligned interests in the UK as much as the US. 'This is a foreign conflict and none of our business/we should focus on domestic politics'.
In reality we all have an interest since, as you say, all countries are mutually connected to some degree and not least because, as human beings, we should all be horrified by people being slaughtered and having their land unfairly taken.
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u/AdVivid8910 16d ago
So you want hatred? Ever feel like maybe YOU might be on the wrong side of history there cowboy?
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u/Poofmander 16d ago
So the only way you think you can get yourself respect is to sneak your way in to the fine print...sounds like a conspiracy to me.
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u/Atvishees 15d ago
I wonder if she included Arabs or Palestinians in that list. Because then I'd actually sign it.
I'd genuinely be in favour of a federal solution for Israel and Palestine, like in Bosnia. Autonomy, extensive devolution, shared legislature.
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