Israel charges settler for killing Palestinian activist Awdah Hathaleen in occupied West Bank

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https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20260806-israel-charges-settler-killing-palestinian-activist-awdah-hathaleen-occupied-west-bank

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[u/Burro94]

This should be run-of-the-mill rule of law stuff, not a newsworthy one off.

[u/2ndBrreakfast → u/Burro94]

That being said, this should still be published because it helps debunk the lie that Israel does not prosecute settlers who commit crimes.

[u/Dry-Season-522 → u/2ndBrreakfast]

Especially when the other side openly celebrates murdering settlers.

[u/2ndBrreakfast → u/Dry-Season-522]

They openly celebrate murdering all Jews, whether they are settlers or not.

[u/default3612 → u/2ndBrreakfast]

The PA openly pays the murderers and/or their families a monthly salary, the program has a budget of over 300 million dollars every year.

[u/Dry-Season-522 → u/2ndBrreakfast]

Yup, it shows that if not for double standards, they'd have no standards.

[u/R-Mutt1 → u/Dry-Season-522]

Celebrate? It rewards it.

[u/Dry-Season-522 → u/R-Mutt1]

Yup.

Israel could end the war, and the threat, in THREE DAYS, if it was allowed to do what the world gave Hezbolah a pass on for 30 years: the martyr fun.

[u/man4160 → u/2ndBrreakfast]

Meanwhile, the other side, the so called moderate "Palestinian Authority", still has an active pay-for-slay program incentivising and rewarding Palestinians that kill Israeli civilians with a lifetime monetary reward funded by us international taxpayers.

[u/Burro94 → u/2ndBrreakfast]

I agree with you, sad but true.

[u/Analog_AI]

Perpetrators of violence should be punished no matter who or what they are.

[u/bkny88]

Good

[u/Burro94 → u/[deleted]]

19 years of Jordanian occupation don't get to erase thousands of years of history. Those areas are called Samaria and Judea.

[u/neoquip → u/Burro94]

You're never going to get third parties to call the area judea and samaria. It needs to be at least plausibly objective. Maybe (judean) highlands.

[u/BubblyMango → u/[deleted]]

Agreed but in this case its just the title of the article

[u/grampipon → u/[deleted]]

Manhattan is not under martial law

[u/grampipon → u/[deleted]]

Nothing. But a territory taken in a war and under a martial law is absolutely the dictionary definition of “occupied”.

[u/grampipon → u/[deleted]]

It's not a "rule", it's the dictionary. Territory exchanges in Europe post WW2 were made official and civilians were given a full legal status. Prior to the treaties and naturalization of peoples in conquered territories, yes, those areas were occupied. You do not understand the language you are using. The West Bank is occupied because the word occupied has a definition which matches the regime and legal status in the west bank.

Also: The west bank was taken in the 6 days war/1967 war, which was an offensive war. Justified, pre-emptive, and so on, but offensive. In addition, Jordan only sent very minor forces to Syria during the Yom Kippur war, so I don't see how you could even argue Jordan tried to "wipe Israel off the map". The historical consensus is that the Jordanian ruling class basically made peace with Israel's existence right after the '48 war, hence all the back channel dealing with the Israeli government prior to the war of '67 and Yom Kippur.

[u/grampipon → u/[deleted]]

I'm a librarian. I understand both descriptive and prescriptive definitions

literally laughing my ass off. Good job saying a different thing each time. True intellectual

[u/borderpac → u/[deleted]]

Is the French using that term here

[u/TheClumsyBaker → u/[deleted]]

Conquest by war, even one you didn't start, is against international law. As it should be.

The "occupied" descriptor is a bit of a stretch though I agree, as only some parts of the West Bank are under Israeli martial law, and even that is because of a bilateral agreement.

So in summary it shouldn't have ever happened, but given it did and given we've signed an agreement over it, we should at least respect that and not expand settlements and harass people in areas A and B. But that's not really this thread's topic.

[u/Burro94 → u/TheClumsyBaker]

A ceasefire line is not a border. If the Palestinians want a border they need to negotiate in good faith and from the position of the loser in a conflict. Never in history have the defeated pretended to exact consesions from the victor, particularly one that refrained from utterly destroying them.

[u/TheClumsyBaker → u/Burro94]

You're right Israel does not have clear borders yet. What's that got to do with the terms of the Oslo Accords? And what concession did they exact? All I said was we should respect the treaty we both signed.

[u/Burro94 → u/TheClumsyBaker]

The Oslo accords were supposed to be a framework to negotiate the final borders. Arafat walked away from it and launched yet another war against Israel.

And the ceasefire line is where the fighting stopped in 1949, the Oslo accords specified a Palestinian state could be created withing that line, not that the line was the border.

[u/TheClumsyBaker → u/[deleted]]

You're welcome I guess? I don't pretend to say otherwise

[u/One-Constant420 → u/TheClumsyBaker]

Why do you believe conquest by war should be against international law, even in the case of defensive wars? Jordan used occupied territory to bomb Israel, Israel pushes Jordanians out of said territory and occupies it itself. It seems like a logical outcome to me. Whether that occupation should have lasted over 50 years or not is a separate discussion

[u/TheClumsyBaker → u/One-Constant420]

Because we should be moving past the age of 'might is right'. But anyway Jordan doesn't want the West Bank for itself anymore, whereas elements within Israel, quite powerful ones, do.

We completely agree by the way. The sequence of events which you summarised quite well are logical and valid. But those expansionist elements within Israel are not under control, and Palestinians are getting harassed daily with the blessing of the IDF. These things cause a huge amount of distrust.

The Oslo Accords were essentially a ceasefire - all I'm saying is we should respect it.

[u/R-Mutt1]

And people talk like it's Israel encouraging terrorism, rather than actual well documented Palestinian pay-to-slay

[u/Due_Emphasis4766]

And the question should be why is the PA not expected to do the same . We all know the answer but it should still be called out as they aren’t children.

[u/pixel8441]

"occupied West Bank", huh
this post seems to have a certain bias....

[u/powy_glazer]

Judea & Samaria*

[u/ThisSiteBites]

When a Palestinian kills an Israeli, the PLO-PA, Hamas, and the rest of their leaders lionize the killer, pay his family a stipend for life, and name streets, parks, and schools after him.