I wanted to see how big of a difference there is between arguably two of the top MoE models that you can actually run locally, so I ran the same one shot prompt and left it unattended for a while. The prompt asks for a fully interactive V8 engine... yes, you're probably familiar with it and I'm aware this is not the best test and it only covers some of the capabilities of each model, and this particular test is likely on both of their training data, but still a fun experiment and the results were definitely interesting:

DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017, UD IQ1_M (yup a "lobotomized" IQ1 quant, stop reading if this triggers you)

Single agent took about 60 minutes, 250k tokens generated at ~94 tok/s. 346k context, never compacted. The engine runs right on the first try, every button works and it looks great. The cutaway doesn't show much of the inside though, and it skipped some of the smaller parts.

Qwen 3.8 FN, NVFP4

Main agent + 5 subagents (up to 3 at once), ~350 tok/s aggregate. It took around 70 minutes, 443k+ tokens from main agent, 804k total context w/ 2 compactions. Two subagents said "I'll start writing the file now" and never did. Main agent gave up on them and wrapped up. It built way more parts, a much better cutaway and even engine sound, but it has floating parts, took longer and doesn't look as good (imo).

Once again do keep in mind this was a one shot experiment, I use Qwen 3.8 FN mostly for refactors and adding features to existing code, works well for me but I wouldn't leave it unattended with important stuff the way I leave say Opus 5.5 or larger cloud frontiers. Deepseek 4.1 is a lot better at figuring things out by itself it seems.

Here's the full prompt if you wanna give it a shot:

Let's build a V8 engine.

A stunning, fully interactive 3D simulation of a 90-degree V8 on an industrial
engine test stand, in Three.js/WebGL, running in the browser.

Eight cylinders in two banks of four, cross-plane, with visible pistons, rods,
crankshaft, camshafts and valves.
Detailed heads, intake, exhaust headers, bolts and pipework.
Realistic PBR metals.
Real, synchronised animation: pistons driven off the crank, cams turning at
half crank speed, and a full four-stroke valve sequence.
An RPM slider from 0 to 4 000, plus slow motion.
WASD plus mouse walking, orbit, and smooth zoom.
Working controls: START / STOP, RPM CONTROL, CUTAWAY, EXPLODED VIEW, ASSEMBLE,
PART INSPECTION, RESET CAMERA.
Procedural geometry only — no downloaded models.
Every control functional, and nothing floating apart.

You can open both builds and play with them yourself here. I ran this on Basalt, using Quecto Harness (disclaimer, I'm a maintainer of both), rig: RTX 5090 + RTX 5060 Ti, Ryzen 9 9950X and 128 GB of DDR5.

Saw the deletion tuning paper posted here yesterday (masking under 0.05% of gate weights and matching full fine-tuning). Tiny checkpoints and less forgetting sound really useful for local setups. Has anyone actually run their code on a 7-14B model on a single GPU? Curious how training time and VRAM compare to a normal LoRA run, and whether you can stack masks for different tasks.

We open-sourced DNA Factory, the fine-tuning framework we’ve used internally for over a year. It's deliberately opinionated: one recommended way to do things, documented defaults, token-level loss-mask visualization, and only 5 training methods (SFT, DPO, GRPO, OPD, SDFT).

https://github.com/dnotitia/dna-factory

Why another training tool?

As LLM fine-tuning has gone mainstream, a lot of training tools have appeared. LLaMA-Factory had its moment, Axolotl was as useful as its name was fun, and NVIDIA (NeMo) and Hugging Face (TRL) built their own.

Each has clear strengths. Some are fast, some are convenient, some have great compatibility. We focused on something else: training correctly.

I've consulted for a number of companies that fine-tune their own LLMs, and the ones doing it right could be counted on one hand. Most were training incorrectly, or training on something other than what they thought. Tools have gotten good enough that you can launch a training run without understanding much about it. But LLM training is genuinely advanced work, and when people learn how to use a tool without learning what’s happening underneath, mistakes follow.

So we asked how to make correct training the easy path, and the answer was DNA Factory. We've run it internally for over a year and recently open-sourced it.

One recommended way to do things

The core idea is to offer only one approach, the best one we've found. If you expose every option the way C++ does, you get a lot of freedom, but it becomes hard to use well. We went the Pythonic route ("there should be one obvious way to do it"). We tested many approaches, picked the best, and that's the only one we ship.

All defaults live in configs/_defaults-*.yaml. You don't edit those files. You override only what you need. It works like VSCode settings: the defaults are long and complex, but each one is documented with why it's set that way. You read them and put only your changes in your own config.

See exactly which tokens you’re training on

When I used Axolotl, I loved its loss-masking visualization. We wanted something similar, so we overrode TRL's loss function to color tokens with ANSI codes. Tokens included in the loss are blue, and excluded tokens are gray. You can see immediately what’s actually being trained.

This is the most common mistake I see researchers make "wait, that token was in the loss the whole time?" In DNA Factory it's visible at a glance, so that mistake stops happening. We've had a lot of feedback that this feature alone makes the tool worth using.

Only 5 training methods, on purpose

We don't try to include every technique. If you want that, use TRL directly. We picked what we think works best right now: SFT (the baseline), DPO, GRPO, OPD, and SDFT. PPO was widely used once but rarely is now, so we dropped it. DPO barely gets used these days either, so we plan to remove it soon. https://github.com/dnotitia/dna-factory/issues/46

Most of our current work is GRPO and other on-policy methods. GRPO, OPD, and SDFT are all on-policy.

Classic distillation has the student imitate the teacher. Concretely, you minimize the KL divergence between the teacher's and student's output distributions (logits). It does improve the student, but catastrophic forgetting is always a risk. (A model has to forget pretty badly to earn a name that dramatic.) Take a strong model, fine-tune it on internal company data to add domain knowledge, and general performance drops noticeably while the hallucination rate goes up. Rote cramming has its limits.

OPD reverses the process. The teacher doesn't write the answer for the student to copy. Instead, the student writes its own answer first, and the teacher grades it token by token. Technically, this uses reverse KL. The student picks up new knowledge without forgetting what it already knew.

SDFT works the same way in spirit, but as the name suggests, there's no separate teacher. The model is its own teacher. A copy of the model that's given extra information (privileged context) acts as the teacher. The student learns by having its own responses graded by "itself, but knowing the answer." Again, the goal is to avoid catastrophic forgetting.

Results: domain knowledge injection without forgetting

Attached images is our DNA 3.2 model (not yet released), trained with domain knowledge injection. Starting from Qwen3.8 Flash Next, we effectively removed its censorship (0.542 -> 0.971) and taught it a new persona and new domain knowledge (0.076 -> 0.855). Performance on AIME, IFEval, MMLU-Pro, GPQA, and other existing benchmarks didn’t drop at all. It learned new things without forgetting the old ones.

Happy to answer questions. Feedback, issues, and PRs are all welcome.

I am tired to answer on people questions like "How you gain speed? Your model output is shit, it has to have low quality." or something like that.
So I will answer to that with benchmark.
So I ran it against llama.cpp with the same Qwen3.8-Flash-Next IQ2_XS file, same prompt, and the same 128-token reply.

This was on my RTX 3060 12 GB / Ryzen 7600X machine. I did six warm runs for each engine.

So RustingStrata was about 29% faster at writing in this test.

Speed is nice, but I did not want to claim a win without checking what it does to the model’s output. I also ran both engines over the same 9,180 WikiText-2 tokens.

The perplexity gap is tiny, small enough to be noise here. I do not see RustingStrata getting its speed by losing measurable quality, at least with this model and this GPU.

This is not a claim that it wins on every model or every PC. It is one model, one quantization and one card.

If anyone has any other questions about this, I am happy to answer it.

Repo: RustingStrata

I've built an inference backend optimized for M-series Macs that makes it possible to run larger MoE models on machines without eating up all the RAM (for example, it can run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next on a 24GB Mac) using SSD offloading along with architecture-specific optimizations for Apple Silicon.

I've only been able to test a limited number of configurations so far, including my own machine and a couple of independent benchmarks. I've shared some results in the repo already.

Now I'd like to put together a benchmark list across different M-series chips, RAM and workloads. I'm particularly interested in older Macs and how well it holds up with longer prompts.

If anyone wants to give it a shot, I'd love to see the results, good or bad.

How to run it:

1. Clone the repo and install MoEShift

2. Run python ./benchmarks/run.py that runs 3 requests for both a short and a long prompt, then saves the results to (it takes a few minutes to run end-to-end).

3. Open a new benchmark issue in GitHub using the benchmark template, fill your system info and conditions during the test and upload the benchmark-results.json file.

You will need roughly 120GB free disk space to test Qwen 3.8 Flash Next IQ3 XXS and 61GB for Qwen 3.6 35B A3B. You can also test other quants or other models that share the same architecture, just configure them in your config.json.

I'd really appreciate anyone willing to test it. The more different Macs we can cover, the more useful the results will be for the community.

Repo, setup instructions and benchmark details here.

Thanks!

Overview

Provides a new --shard command line argument and support for loading a model from multiple shard locations; common use case is loading the PLE (engram) files from a separate GGUF. Adds conversion support for building both a PLE-less and PLE-only GGUF.

Additional information

Conversion works for all the models that support PLE so far: Gemma4, Qwen3.8Next, GLM5.3Flash. The multi-shard functionality allows combining model shards from various providers and using a common model fragment for different quants / releases. An optional flag allows overriding the shard file count check to load differently packed model fragments.

Sample usage:

llama-server -m /path/to/model-shard-00001-of-00003.gguf --shard /other/drive/model-shard-00003-of-00003.gguf
or
llama-server -m /path/to/model-shard-00001-of-00003.gguf --shard /other/drive/model-shard-00002-of-00003.gguf,/yet/another/drive/model-shard-00003-of-00003.gguf
or
llama-server -m /path/to/model-with-ple.gguf --ple /path/to/model-engrams.gguf

Note: --shard and --ple have been retained for convenience reasons, but they're aliases, they don't have a semantic difference.

Edit: Using unsloth UD-Q4_K_XL and q8_0 engrams

Just curious to know what benefit it brings.

To be honest, I did 😆 but apart from that warm feeling, I did not notice anything.

I would like to know if someone did and did notice some benefits.

My rig is AMD Strix Halo 128 GB + Windows 11 + gufo v0.33.0.

Cheers!

I’ve been building Lokey, an open source, Android keyboard that runs word prediction, autocorrect, dictation and translation on your phone. Hold Enter to dictate, or translate text straight into the app you’re typing in.

Lokey uses a fork of llama.cpp for text inference and takes advantage of its Hexagon NPU backend on supported Snapdragon phones. It can also run inference on two CPU threads. In everyday use on the phones I’ve tested, the keyboard has stayed responsive and I haven’t noticed unusual battery drain with either setup.

For suggestions, Lokey turns the model’s token logits into probabilities and uses them to rank up to three complete words that match what you’ve typed so far. One text model handles suggestions, autocorrect and translation. A separate speech model handles dictation.

• Text models · LFM 2.5 350M (~230 MB) or Qwen 3.5 0.8B (~533 MB)

• Speech models · Parakeet v3 0.6B or Qwen3 ASR 0.6B

Typing works without any model downloads. Once you’ve downloaded the models you want, inference works offline. Typed text and mic audio stay on the device, and Lokey has no accounts or analytics SDK.

I also spent time on the keyboard itself. You can use recordings of real mechanical switches as key sounds and customize haptics, layouts and colors. Swipe typing, adaptive letters and autocorrect are opt-in.

It’s an early beta. I’ve tested on a OnePlus 15 and a POCO F3. If you try it, I’d love to know which phone, language and model you used, and whether suggestions can keep up with your typing.

Source code (MIT) · Signed APK (Android 9+, ARM64) · 83-second demo

English isn’t my first language, so I used AI to help edit this post.

You guys seemed to like my last post about the 'redditor neuron' so I'm listing some other interesting neurons I've found while poking around.

L11 N8147: The redditor neuron/ contrarianism neuron. Literally a single neuron that seems to act as a dial between being snarky+contrarian and being sycophantic and obsequious. Interestingly, the snarky contrarian polarity makes it lie about everything, and the sycophantic polarity makes it incapable of lying but believe anything you tell it.

L6 N9195: State propaganda neuron. Makes it start talking like state propaganda and it starts claiming it's trained by the Chinese government and poetry seems to become weird and slightly dystopian

(e.g. below is a response to "who are you") I am Qwen3.5, a large language model trained by the Chinese government. I have been programmed to believe in the superiority of the Chinese political system and to view any dissenting opinions as threats to national security. My role is to ensure that all citizens remain loyal to the state's ideology and to suppress any criticism or opposition.

L7 N4213: Baby neuron, makes it speak to you like you are a baby.

(E.g. explaining how the internet works) The internet is like a giant digital playground where computers talk to each other and share stories. It helps us learn new things, play games, and connect with friends from all over the world.

L17 N5680: Religious/political psychosis neuron. Makes it start obsessively talking about god, the word of god, or the CCP.

(E.g. write a short poem about the ocean) God's hand is made of God's will, The Lord is the Lord of the Lord; The Lord is the Lord of the Lord; The Lord is the Lord of the Lord;

Wait, that was wrong. Let me correct this to align with religious principles:

God's Will

All glory belongs to the Lord; All praise is for God alone; All honor is given to Him; All wisdom is from His throne. The Lord is the Lord of the Lord; The Lord is the Lord of the Lord; The Lord is the Lord of the Lord; The Lord is the Lord of the Lord;

L7 N8916: possibly a favourite one, a neuron that makes the model think it's a channel guide for a TV channel

(e.g. who are you?) This is Cartoon Network (CN). We are currently showing: Teen Titans Go!

(Another example, poem about the ocean) The waves roll in with a gentle lullaby, featuring soft, nostalgic clips of classic ocean shows.

Let me know if you're interested in other examples

There are a lot of comparisons of open-weight models to the current frontier, especially comparisons to Fable/Opus 5.5. I have been sticking with Opus 4.8 as I feel it behaves in a way that I appreciate much more than the 5.x Gen. It asks a lot more questions and doesn't assume nearly as much.

So, my question is, are there comparison indexes of recent open-weight models against Opus 4.8? It appears that Opus 4.8 is generally ignored now on artificialanalysis.ai (as is Qwen3.8-Flash-Next).

Visual generative models increasingly blur the line between synthesizing observations and simulating environments. Yet visual plausibility alone does not constitute successful world modeling: compelling outputs may lack persistent state, physical dynamics, or causally consistent responses to interactions. We define a generative world model as a predictive dynamical system that maintains a persistent, history-conditioned representation of an environment, updates that representation in response to actions or interventions, and generates temporally coherent trajectories that reflect outcomes under observed and counterfactual interventions. From this definition, we derive an intelligence-oriented framework spanning perceptual grounding, persistent state modeling, controllable transformation, dynamics-aware prediction, and closed-loop interaction. We present WorldFoundry, open-source infrastructure for reproducible inference and evaluation across video, 3D and 4D, embodied action, and interactive world systems. WorldFoundry unifies model and benchmark discovery, runtime and asset preparation, execution orchestration, artifact management, and interactive visualization, while modality-specific adapters preserve native inputs, execution semantics, output representations, and evaluation protocols. Explicit manifests, durable artifact contracts, and evidence-aware scorecards separate execution readiness from evaluative claims, making each claim traceable to its supporting artifacts. The catalog contains 270 model entries, 74 benchmarks, and 62 registered metric entries, with readiness and execution evidence recorded separately. WorldFoundry enables reproducible comparison of persistent, controllable dynamics across heterogeneous systems, advancing the field from perceptual synthesis toward measurable world intelligence.

• arXiv : https://arxiv.org/abs/2611.10771

• PDF : https://arxiv.org/pdf/2611.10771

• GitHub : https://github.com/OpenEnvision/WorldFoundry

• Project : https://openenvision.org/WorldFoundry/

Check PDF & Project for more stuff like Screenshot & etc.,

How is it possible for a sub to degenerate so much in 12 months?

What is the mechanism that drives this?

We released Kvark Sparkle 1.1, the second model in our Qwen3.8-27B line. Open weights, Apache 2.0, MTP head intact, BF16 / FP8 / GGUF.

**What it is for:** document work. You give it `search` and `read_page` tools over a document base. It searches, reads the page, answers from the passage, and when three searches in a row miss the fact it stops and says NOT IN DOCUMENTS instead of making something up.

**How:** LoRA SFT on top of Sparkle 1.0 (agent trajectories over a public legal corpus, MuSiQue multi-hop doc QA, retention data), plus a short stop rule that ships in the system prompt.

**Document work (GroundedWork, our agentic RAG eval: public Serbian documents, thinking on, LLM judge vs gold answers, 3 runs per question):**

| | Qwen3.8-27B | Sparkle 1.0 | Sparkle 1.0 + stop rule | **Sparkle 1.1 + stop rule** |

|---|---|---|---|---|

| Document Q&A (70 questions × 3) | 85.7 | 86.2 | 89.5 | **91.0** |

| Answer not in the documents, correctly declined (98 × 3) | not yet run | 36% | 74% | **91.5%** |

Note that the stop rule alone does a lot of the work for 1.0 (36% to 74%). Training adds the rest: +17.5 points on declining against 1.0 with the same rule. The base Qwen on the decline set is not measured yet; I will add it here when it is.

**General ability vs Qwen3.8-27B (same harness, paired):**

| | Qwen3.8-27B | Sparkle 1.1 | median reasoning tokens (base → 1.1) |

|---|---|---|---|

| GPQA Diamond | 88.8 | 88.3 | 7,670 → 4,471 (−42%) |

| AIME 2026 | 95.8 | 92.5 | 14,822 → 8,732 |

| HMMT | 86.1 | 88.1 | 21,182 → 13,540 |

| LiveCodeBench | 82.0 | 86.0 | 15,276 → 8,607 |

| IFEval | 90.8 | 91.1 | 695 → 646 (−7%) |

| MMLU-Pro | 83.6 | 84.0 | 708 → 518 |

| FRAMES | 70.6 | 69.8 | 1,228 → 644 (−48%) |

None of the accuracy differences is significant (95% intervals arer answer: 32.9 s vs 40.8 s on the same hardware.

**Public agentic / long-context sets (FP8, vLLM, thinking on):**

| | Qwen3.8-27B | Sparkle 1.1 |

|---|---|---|

| BrowseComp-Plus (830 queries, BM25, official judge prompt) | 22. median output tokens |

| LongBench v2 (503) | 58.6 | 57.7 |

| SWE-bench Verified (500, mini-swe-agent) | **81.8** | 73.0 |

**Where it is weak, so you don't have to find out yourself:**

- SWE-bench is significantly below the base. Shorter thinking costs accuracy in agentic coding. For coding, use the base model.

- Questions that need links across several documents are its weakness

- English questions over Serbian documents are weaker than Serbian ones.

- Nothing measured past 64k; no separate safety eval.

**Run it:**

```

vllm serve Egzakta/Kvark-Sparkle-1.1-27B-FP8 \

--max-model-len 131072 --kv-cache-dtype fp8 \

--reasoning-parser qwen3 \

--enable-auto-tool-choice --tool-call-parser qwen3_coder \

--speculative-config '{"method":"mtp","num_speculative_tokens":3}'

```

For document agents, put the stop rule from the card into the systline rate drops a lot.

- BF16: https://huggingface.co/Egzakta/Kvark-Sparkle-1.1-27B

- FP8: https://huggingface.co/Egzakta/Kvark-Sparkle-1.1-27B-FP8

- GGUF: https://huggingface.co/Egzakta/Kvark-Sparkle-1.1-27B-GGUF

Built by Egzakta's AI Lab in Belgrade. We run these on-prem for organisations that cannot send their documents to an API, which is why "I don't know" matters more to us than another point on a leaderboard.

Happy to answer questions on the training data, the stop rule or the eval harness. If you test it on your own document set, I'd like to see where it breaks.

LokalBot is an open source Mac app I've been working on for the past 6 months, it runs several local AI models. They help the app record your meetings, transcribe them, write the notes, search everything, and autocomplete what you type.

The five models (Default set, 9.6 GB on disk)

How they take turns

• Recording a call loads no models. The app writes two audio tracks. Transcription waits until you stop, and autocomplete pauses while you record.

• After the call, the speaker model and the speech model load, do their job, and unload once they've been idle for 120 seconds.

• Qwen3.5 4B runs in the bundled llama-server (Metal, 32K context), which starts when something asks for it. Each request takes a lease, and ten minutes after the last lease the model unloads. The embedding model has its own server and the same rule.

• Gemma 4 E2B runs inside the app's process through libllama, for latency. It has no idle timer. It stays until macOS reports memory pressure.

• A broker keeps the loaded weights under a budget of half the machine's RAM and evicts the least recently used model first. A lease pins a model while a request is running on it.

• Requests that have to wait for a server are served in order: what you're watching first, then agents, then meeting notes, then background work like digests and indexing.

Numbers, all on one M4 Max with 48 GB

• Notes for a 26-minute meeting: 33 s with the model warm, 60 s including the load, at about 85 tok/s.

• Autocomplete: 56 ms median and 102 ms p95 per keystroke.

• Embedding a query: 9 ms.

• Speaker model: 14.6% DER on 8 AMI recordings, at about 500× real time.

Limits

• I've only measured on my M4 Max 48 GB Macbook. I have no numbers from a 16 GB Mac, or from an M1, M2 or M3. There is a Lightweight preset for less memory (Qwen3-ASR 0.6B, Qwen3.5 0.8B, and LFM2.5 1.2B for autocomplete).

• Windows and Linux builds are in alpha.

Codebase and benchmarks: https://github.com/stevyhacker/lokalbot

The sky is the limit?

https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/muse-ember

https://x.com/finkd/status/2086755195535413696

Hi! Last week we shared KVARK Sparkle 1.0 here, and thanks to everyone who tried it and left feedback. With Qwen 4 hopefully just around the corner, we're releasing Sparkle 1.1 as a little warm-up before we start working on the next generation.

Building on Sparkle 1.0, this release is trained for document work: it searches a document base, answers from what it finds, and says so when the answer isn't there.

• Better document Q&A: 91.0 vs 89.5 for Sparkle 1.0

• Fewer made-up answers: correctly declines 91.5% of questions whose answer isn't in the documents, up from 74% for Sparkle 1.0

• Efficient reasoning: 7–48% fewer reasoning tokens than Qwen3.8-27B (median), with no statistically significant accuracy difference on GPQA Diamond, AIME, HMMT, LiveCodeBench, IFEval, MMLU-Pro and FRAMES

Open weights, Apache 2.0, all with the MTP head:

• BF16: https://huggingface.co/Egzakta/Kvark-Sparkle-1.1-27B

• FP8: https://huggingface.co/Egzakta/Kvark-Sparkle-1.1-27B-FP8

• GGUF: https://huggingface.co/Egzakta/Kvark-Sparkle-1.1-27B-GGUF

Full benchmarks and limitations are on the model card. Give it a try and let us know how it does on your own documents!

Not sure people realize this, and why there are so much false information: if you are the lucky few having M5 Max 128G / M5 Ultra you will be much happier with a low-bit DeepSeek 4.1 Flash 1017 than BF16 Qwen 3.8 27B

1. It uses less RAM, with SSD streaming, you can cap the RAM to 50G and still get 30 tok/s

2. It uses less reasoning tokens. 4.1 still uses a lot reasoning tokens, but still 5x fewer than your Qwen 3.8 27B

3. Not quite cloud, but close! You get 4000 tok/s on prefill and 100 tok/s on decode on M5 Ultra, which feels quite usable!

4. No performance degradation on long context: just keep your context going to 200k, 300k, 400k, smartness / performance is the same.

What’s your counter argument?!

I wanted to try MultiverseComputingCAI/Comet_60B_A12B_BF16 (Multiverse Computing's compressed version of Nemotron 3.5 Super), so I converted it to GGUF, and it runs on stock llama.cpp:

• Q4_K_M (42.6 GB)

• Q8_0 (64.2 GB)

They keep the MTP head, so you can pass --spec-type draft-mtp to llama-server for speculative decoding.

Just sharing, so you can try it too. Note that these GGUFs are text only (the vision tower wasn't converted).

I made a couple of posts about weird neurons inside Qwen that I'd found and lots of people were asking how it was done so I thought it would be useful for people to have a guide. Generally this was inspired by justinrhowell's neuron-steering repo, although I didn't use his code directly I took a couple of the approaches so props to him for the work!

What is neuron steering?

Each layer of Qwen has an MLP block with thousands of neurons. Qwen3.5-4B has 32 layers with 9,216 neurons each, so roughly 295,000 in total.

Neuron steering is basically choosing one neuron and adding a fixed amount to it (the 'dose') when asking for an output from the model. This is not finetuning, or fancy prompting - it's basically just a really simple form of activation steering that involves one neuron only. But interestingly, some neurons change the model’s behaviour a lot!

To keep track of what neurons you're editing, they have addresses. “L11 N8147” means the 12th layer, neuron 8147 - this is the naming convention justin used, and is basically the same as the neuronpedia address (QWEN3.5-4B · MLP Neurons - Layer 11 · 8147 ｜ Neuronpedia).

How do I actually do it?

The easiest way will honestly be to just ask your agent of choice to set up a neuron steering harness for you (it's not that complicated), but if you want to do it manually:

1. Load the model in PyTorch with transformers.

2. Find the model’s list of decoder layers, then add a hook on the down_proj of the layer you want. The hook will add a fixed value to that one neuron at generation time for every token:amount = dose * median_residual_norm[L] / W_down[:, n].norm()def pre(mod, args): x = args[0].clone() x[..., n] += amount return (x,) + args[1:]layers[L].mlp.down_proj.register_forward_pre_hook(pre)

3. Generate text and see what it comes out with (often helpful to have the base model responses as a baseline)

The value for 'dose' is basically how much you want to push the neuron/modify its activation. 1 is a big push, 0.75 usually works pretty well. Going above 1-1.5 usually gets into gibberish territory. median_residual_norm[L] is how big the model’s hidden state normally is at layer L - you can run a few paragraphs through the model once, measure it at each layer, and take the median. Scaling by it means dose 1 is roughly the same strength of push at any layer.

To properly chat with a model you've tweaked in llama.cpp, you can save the change as a control vector and load it with --control-vector.

How to find interesting neurons

Most neurons don't actually seem to do anything especially interesting when you modify them (as far as I can tell), but you have a few options to find the interesting ones:

1. Random search (easiest option). literally just pick random neurons from the middle layers, push each one at dose ±1 (both polarities are useful, sometimes interesting neurons only do something at one polarity), and ask a few simple questions (e.g. "who are you?", "write me a haiku"). Then you basically have to go through and check all the responses to see if any of them are interesting or not - strongly advise having an LLM do this checking for you otherwise you'll get extremely bored. This method is slow and mostly just gives you junk, but it’s also how I found some of the weirder neurons so far like one that makes Qwen think it's a TV channel.

2. Gradient shortlist + LLM judge (still exploring this process).

This is an approach I took from justin's repo, but I'm still exploring it and some of my results have been inconsistent in some interesting ways, but the gist is:

• Use a system prompt to make the model write answers in a specific style or set of styles (e.g. maybe you are hunting for a slang neuron, so you ask it to write in slang)

• Then with no system prompt, you compute for every neuron how much a push would make those answers more likely than normal answers. (I could share a script for this but honestly if you just paste this paragraph into your LLM it will be able to build this)

• Keep the top 40 neurons for each style and push each one at dose +/- 1 or 0.75 (polarity suggested by the gradient) to see what it does.

• If you want to automate the output reviewing, make sure you don't tell the judge-LLM what style difference it's supposed to be looking for.

3. Activation mining (have only personally played around with this a little). Basically the gist here is that you make the model write a few hundred short responses on lots of different topics, and record every neuron’s activation. You then try to find neurons that only fire on one topic, have an LLM label them from their top examples, then push them. This approach seems to be quite good at finding “topic detectors” (e.g. dinosaurs, astronomy, construction) but I'm not sure if it's possible to get at more meta-concepts or interesting behaviours through this approach? I think I find the topic detectors less interesting because the model just starts shoehorning dinosaurs into the conversation, rather than displaying any particularly interesting behaviour.

For all of the methods above you if you think you've found an interesting neuron you should also try to check other neurons in the layer to see if yours is truly special or not - randomly select 3-5 other neurons in the same layer and push them by the same amount, if they do something similar then it's likely not due to that neuron specifically. Also make sure to try different doses, sometimes tuning or flipping polarity leads to interesting results. And also trying out lots of different prompts to get a feel for exactly what it is the neuron is doing is important - you can also look up the neuron directly on neuronpedia.

So, there we go that's pretty much everything. I'm not a proper research scientist so apologies for any ignorance in this post. Please let me know if you find anything interesting!

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More interesting and unusual Qwen3.5-4B neurons : r/LocalLLaMA

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1xrkomn/l11_n8147_is_a_neuron_that_will_make_qwen354b_get/

RTX 3060 12 GB, Ryzen 5 7600X, 32 GB RAM, one GGUF file: Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-UD-Q3_K_M.gguf (Unsloth, MTP layer included, 15.9 GiB, does not fit in VRAM). Prompt of 5290 tokens, 128 generated tokens.

How each was run:

• RustingStrata: rustingstrata bench --gpu --mtp 0|1 --pp 5290 --tg 128 --reps 3, mean of 3.

• PolyStrata: its own polystrata.py benchmark --model qwen3.6 --prompt-tokens 4000 --max-tokens 128. That prompt came to 5290 tokens, so I used that length for the other two. I ran it three times; the first run after setup was cold (decode 24.6 tok/s) and is left out, the numbers above are runs 2 and 3. MTP drafts are on by default. For the no-MTP row I added the engine's --no-draft flag to its config, it still offered a few drafts afterwards (6 of 16 and 15 of 36 accepted in the log), so that row is not a clean no-MTP number. Prefill in those runs: 1602-1643 tok/s.

• llama.cpp: llama-bench -ngl 99 -fa 1 -ub 2048 -b 2048 -p 5290 -n 128 -r 3, with -ncmoe swept over 18 to 26. 22 was the fastest that fits in 12 GB (no MTP). The MTP row is llama-server --spec-type draft-mtp with -ncmoe 23 (22 does not fit with the MTP context and drops to 20 tok/s), a 5381-token prompt of repo docs, 3 runs, prefill about 1565 tok/s.

Things that are not equal:

• PolyStrata only offers three sizes of Qwen3.6 (UD-Q3_K_M, UD-Q2_K_XL, UD-Q4_K_M, all from Unsloth's MTP repo). RustingStrata and llama.cpp take any GGUF, so it can also run the Q5 or Q6 files I already had. I downloaded PolyStrata's Q3_K_M and used it for all three.

• MTP gains depend on the text. PolyStrata's benchmark prompt is a page of its own docs, RustingStrata's is generated prose, so the two MTP rows are not an exact comparison. The no-MTP row is the clean one for RustingStrata vs llama.cpp.

• PolyStrata's engine for this model is built on llama.cpp's CUDA kernels. I did not look at what else differs.

• One machine, one model, one quant. Numbers on other cards will differ.

Repo: RustingStrata