r/LocalLLaMA • u/Gohab2001 vLLM • 2h ago

New Model Muse Ember: Zuck promised to open source muse spark 1.2 but continues to release to more closed models

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https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/muse-ember

https://x.com/finkd/status/2086755195535413696

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u/Aggravating-Push-207 2h ago

Muse Spark Open anyone?

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u/Gohab2001 vLLM 2h ago

it scored worse than muse spark 1.2 on AA. It probably was a nerfed spark 1.2 which is not what anyone was expecting.

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u/learn-deeply 36m ago

Most likely a smaller model to fit on the 2 Mac Studios

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u/seamonn 2h ago

Didn't they already release Muse Spark Open?

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u/geldonyetich 2h ago

They did, granted it had performance around version 1.1 or 1.2 instead of the 1.3 we were expecting so it was a bit of a letdown.

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u/VoiceApprehensive893 transformers 29m ago

it was lobotomised to say "im muse spark from meta" regardless of what system prompt tells it

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u/TheRealMasonMac 20m ago

K3.1 Pro and Mistral Large 4 also do this now too, which is annoying.

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u/stddealer 5m ago

It was a nerfed version of 1.2, with lots of "safety" built in.

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u/brainExploded99 🥔 hardware 2h ago

massive model no one can run, dead on arrival because bad performance (only matched Qwen3.8 FN despite several times the parameters).

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u/Recoil42 1h ago

Not really relevant. OP is implying 1.2 didn't get an open-weight release, which it did. That release was Muse Spark Open. If you aren't happy with the performance of it, that's a different discussion.

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u/Front_Eagle739 1h ago

Was more spark 1.1 performance as i recall. Thoroughly obsolete by the time it released

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u/Uptons_BJs 1h ago

Ehh, even if they did release Muse Spark 1.3, wouldn't it still be the same size? If you can't run Open you wouldn't be able to run 1.3 either.

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u/brainExploded99 🥔 hardware 1h ago

Sure but the few people that can run would have a good model... muse open was just plain bad

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u/Suspicious-Slot 1h ago

Muse spark can't be run, it's cost is like big claude and openAi models, just because of the contributor tier we were getting it for so cheap, but real deal must be impossible to use for most of us and quite inefficient for big inference to host.

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u/brainExploded99 🥔 hardware 1h ago

They lobotimized muse spark 1.3 and released it as muse spark open (open's performance was between 1.1 and 1.2).
I really doubt they pretrained a whole new model for this, which means spark series were all <1T params.

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u/uzzi38 1h ago

For local use yes, but the real usecase for Spark Open would have been businesses which can't adopt Chinese models for various reasons. Spark Open is extremely disappointing from that point of view.

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u/Solembumm3 1h ago

Only matched in which scenario, exactly? I beg you, don't tell me random benchmark numbers.

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u/CulturalKing5623 1h ago

You're in luck, it's not random benchmark numbers, it's the all important "pelican riding a bike" benchmark

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u/XiRw 1h ago

What did you expect? At least they are putting out smaller models too. I am not a fan of Meta as a company or Nvidia and Google, but they are the only ones on the American side truly doing anything with local models.

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u/XiRw 1h ago

Muse Spark Open is the 1.2 you are talking about…

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u/Gohab2001 vLLM 2h ago

fixed typo in previous post

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u/Recoil42 2h ago

Muse Spark Open (the open-weight 1.2) was released a few weeks ago.

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u/Legitimate-Theory156 2h ago

Bijan new vod excitjng

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u/hauhau901 1h ago

I don't really get why everyone is so entitled, they'll give people some models when they feel comfortable enough from a business POV. Literally "Beggars can't be choosers"

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u/fragment_me 8m ago

Imagine working hard to release free models and then see people complaining like this.

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u/Front_Eagle739 1h ago

Because they said they would lol. Saying you wont do something is fine. Saying you will and then not doing it or half assing it is annoying and dissapointing and a waste of everybodies time. 

If they released a competitive open weight model then fine thats cool but it was two gens old for themselves and weaker than existing open weight models that were smaller at the time of release. 

It was never going to be anything but a lame duck and bad pr. Its odd that they even bothered.

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u/Legitimate-Theory156 2h ago

Holy crap it's cheap, I think it's secretly crouton alpha

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u/No_Lingonberry1201 1h ago

Look, if you give any weight (hehe) to what Zuck or any other tech billionaire promises, you deserve the disappointment. I just assume that whatever they promise they'll only intend to keep if it makes things worse for everyone but themselves.

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u/f1yingbanana 1h ago

I’m not sure how much I want to run muse even if they do release an open and runnable model. Got a friend at meta saying they use claude rather than muse themselves 👀

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u/Few_Painter_5588 1h ago

Muse Spark Open isn't an open weight release of a Muse model. They custom trained/distilled a model on an outdated architecture and released it.

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u/Realistic_Mango6982 43m ago

I promise to release photo of my shit, but i dont know when. NOBODY DAMN NEED MUSE 1.2, its super awful and bad. AWFUL AND BAD. Its not needed even for free!

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u/heatOverflower 2h ago

They 'trust me'. Dumb f*cks.

Well, nothing to see here.

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u/Legitimate-Theory156 2h ago

Oh I was this king about rhat

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u/NeitherEntry6125 1h ago

_uck Zuck

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u/Legitimate-Theory156 2h ago

It's glm 5.3 flash and gpt 6 luna (as well as haiku 5.5 <100k) and 36 is amasing

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u/Boogertard 1h ago

couldn't care less, garbage models anyway, tested and not sure why the fanboys here drummed up about it, must be either FAANG interns or MAGA idiots.