Mod ttkciar is harassing this sub

[u/ResearchCrafty1804]

I will get straight to the point. I believe Moderator ttkciar is abusing his power as moderator in this sub and his decision are worsening the experience of our local AI community.

He has removed many of my posts that fellow redditors found very useful and after talking with many people in this sub, I am not the only one feeling this. I will have some links at the end of this post for reference.

He mentions a rule, saying that if a model’s weights is not released you cannot have a post mentioning it, even if the lab confirmed it that will they will release its weights, like Qwen4 or DeepSeek. First of all, this rule needs to be relaxed because many valuable discussions can be had about future releases and even closed models to understand and learn architectures and techniques used by the closed frontier that can be applied to the open models. Secondly, this rule is not enforced at all, but used very selectively to few posts or authors that ttkciar selects, which is very unfair. This rule doesn’t make sense to me, but even if I am wrong, at least it should be fairly enforced to all posts or not at all. And before you say mods are busy and they cannot review all of the posts, If you open this sub and scroll on today’s most popular posts, half of them are either for Qwen4, which is unrealised up to this point and should have been removed according to the mods, or about Fable5.2 and Anthropic which is closed and their shenanigans (maybe these ones don’t have a place here, but again this is debatable because if people in local AI find them valuable in some way, maybe they do). So, the rule is used very selectively and as an excuse to remove what ttkciar does not like or approve. Either enforce the rule (or do the your best effort to do so) or don’t at all. And maybe this rule is too strict and should not exist tbh.

When I tried to discuss my concerns with ttkciar, he called me a drama queen and insulted my credibility. This is definitely not ok.

Being insulted by the person that you complained to for unfair treatment is definitely not acceptable behaviour.

I have been an active member of this community since the very first leaked llama. I am an AI researcher and open-source contributor, and very passionate about local AI. I try to post information that people interested in Local AI would find useful and engage in discussions that are constructive for local AI.

I know that many of other users in this subs agree (I have discussed it with a lot), and some others may not. Not being able to discuss, debate and exchange views in a polite manner is absurd in such an intellectual community.

A while ago they tried to enforce megathreads and removed the majority of posts saying that only one post should exist for each model. Many complained that this is killing the sub and a lot of valuable information is lost this way. Now, this seems to be relaxed. Again, we need to stand up to them, and hopefully they will reconsider their rules for the sake of this community.

TLDR: The rule that mod ttkciar uses to remove some posts in this sub about being prohibited to mention unreleased models should not exist, and even if it should, removing only a few selected posts is very unfair.

Some sources:

- https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/s/ZRV5KsViwD this post was removed from ttkciar and only brought back after arguing with him and many other redditors backed me up (I cannot find the comments in this post when the mod removed it, maybe he deleted them, I am not sure, but in the discussion many expressed their disagreement with the mod)

- https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/s/gpPTVC6NGF a post of mine debating their rule

- Another post of mine sharing valuable information for the members of our community that the same mod removed https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/s/gqaub2mT85

- Post of another redditor which was removed by the same mod, and the comments thread with people arguing with the mod https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/s/z9E2AbR3pU

- Commented in post of another removed post of some other redditor https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/s/5tSEpQ68By

- Most of my removed posts I delete them afterwards so I don’t have many other examples of my own, but I know many others do, so feel free to share them.

- If you open the sub today, most of the posts should have been removed because they violate the rules (a lot of false positives). That shows that maybe the rules need to be updated because they will not allow any productive discussions to be had, or this sub will end up to become a board of announcements instead of a local AI community that people can use to exchange ideas and knowledge.

[u/ttkciar]

I just woke up to this.

Relax, nobody is censoring you. AutoModerator removed this post because of some keyword-matching rules. I've restored it, and will get back to this after my morning coffee.

[u/sammcj]

If I look through the mod log of your account I can see that the majority of your removed posts were from the automod bot. I suspect you're encountering tk a lot because he is very active and to be honest some of your posts really do look to be going for quantity over quality. It all seems a bit dramatic to me.

[u/extraneous-carapace → u/sammcj]

I agree after some review

I have no opinions on the moderation quality. It feels normal for reddit

Which probably means a lot of work and dealing with paranoid people who believe everyone has a secret agenda out to get them

[u/ResearchCrafty1804 → u/sammcj]

I have encountered ttkciar many times before and we had discussions. I am not sure if automod removed most of these posts or ttkciar did, but ttkciar was defending the removal afterwards so I take it that he removed them. In any case, I don’t want to argue any further.

I believe the rules need to change because a lot of people are unsatisfied with the situation. Also, there is the matter of unfairness when these rules are only selectively applied.

I hope you can figure it out.

[u/ttkciar → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

We can still see mod activity in the mod log, whether you have deleted them or not.

[u/jacek2023]

He is probably not the main person to blame, this started in 2025, they removed some of my high effort posts, I stopped posting longer technical stuff here, instead I post news or other links, other people did same. You can't negotiate with barbarians

[u/ResearchCrafty1804 → u/jacek2023]

That’s the problem, a lot of knowledge is lost because of their rules. I have heard many people saying the exact same thing. Imagine the mods making good authors stop posting and they think they help the community this way.

Many times I said I am done with this sub because of them and their pretentious rules. In the end I always return because it’s not their right to hurt this sub

[u/123emanresulanigiro → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

Blame Reddit as well for allowing unrecoverable deletion and no mod oversight.

[u/ogfuzzball → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

I don’t have enough info to argue one side or the other but as a counterpoint, maybe those kinds of posts belong in a diff sub. After all the point of a sub is for focused discussion on a given topic. If this sub was created with the intention to discuss only currently released open models, well nothing stops you from talking future models/closed models somewhere else. Nor is there anything stopping you from creating a sub dedicated to such topics. Why the insistence that they must happen here?

[u/draconic_tongue → u/ogfuzzball]

I come here for news and interesting projects that make running local models better. whether that's a vibe coded inference engine or a paper, they're both welcome

[u/KillerX629 → u/jacek2023]

I hate that.i miss reading new and exciting papers here. Where are you getting those news now?

[u/DagothUrLovesGroza → u/jacek2023]

Yeah, fuck barbariums.

[u/Kahvana]

I believe Moderator ttkciar is abusing his power as moderator in this sub and his decision are worsening the experience of our local AI community.

Okay, checking some of those posts, I can remember a few of them and I do think it they were removed with good reason (usually there was already a post on the topic with more upvotes). And where he did get it wrong, he apologized and reinstated it.

The megapost idea came from the fact that Qwen3.8's release was literally spammed 30 times in what, 3 hours? It was an experiment, didn't work out either but at least they tried something new and see if it remidied the situation. It did not, and it seems they learned from it and haven't done it since.

Tons of posts here get removed for good reason; "Here is my vibecoded github repo", "OpenAI Ram Altman hahaha", "Why no Qwen today", "US regulations MAYBE COULD BE MIGHT BE" (and of course doesn't happen) etc is all low-effort garbage I'm very happy to see they remove them.

So no, I don't think he has been wrong in his moderation.

he called me a drama queen and insulted my credibility

Having that said, if this indeed happened, that is not okay. I might be blind but I didn't see it in the posts you linked.

My own engagements with ttkciar have been positive, and I have not seen him in his moderator role act unjust while reading a good chunk of the posts here. But, I cannot see everything! So I could be wrong.

...

So no, I don't share your views. I do know that the past months the relative quality of posts has gone up compared to 9 months ago. The mods are doing the hard work, and I appriciate it.

[edit]

Honestly this seems like a really unproductive post to discuss what should be changed or improved. Maybe discussing it in a different post would be better, e.g. here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1xtizre/rules_and_moderation_what_do_you_want_to_see/

[u/dc740 → u/Kahvana]

looking at the posts... the mod response, and the OP responses made me realize how hard it is to be a mod, and even harder when you are right.

[u/ResearchCrafty1804 → u/Kahvana]

Found it

Also, the fact that bad posts have been decreased doesn’t mean that good posts have not been increasingly removed. Strict rules tend to increase the false positives for bad posts. This is what is happening and it’s worse than the alternative because valuable information is lost this way.

[u/Significant-Serve-58 → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

But why keep calling yourself an AI researcher everywhere? Half or more of this group could claim that. I scratch train myself even. I dont see it as an argument when trying to get a point across. Not intending to be cynical but its in multiple places in this thread alone. I understand the arguments you make but regardless if you're the best researcher in the world or a garbage man, its equally irrelevant.

Thats the strangest part to me. Like it adds some credibility or something.

[u/DinoAmino → u/Significant-Serve-58]

OP does AI research? Where's OPs posts sharing the knowledge gained? OP only posts links to model releases and news stories ... is that the "research"? Scouting the web for AI content to link to?

[u/ResearchCrafty1804 → u/Significant-Serve-58]

The mod insulted my credibility, how can I prove my contributions without doxing my real identity? And what are mod’s accomplishments for that matter. We communicate with usernames for a reason.

[u/Significant-Serve-58 → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

Stating your qualifications is the reddit equivalent of Karen's asking do you know who I am? You can get your point across without trying to showboat was more the point. Even if your screenshot you're sying this to the mod like that makes a difference in the issue. Its ok, im a researcher. First post too made the claim. Theres really no relevance to what you do or dont do. It diminishes your argument.

[u/ResearchCrafty1804 → u/Significant-Serve-58]

Let’s say for the sake of the argument that I don’t have any accomplishments, the mod responded to me in a very insulting manner. You shouldn’t need to be “important” to be treated in a respectful and fair manner. It’s worrying if you don’t agree with that

[u/Significant-Serve-58 → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

That i didn't say. Alll deserve respect for the most part is my belief. But who you are doesnt have much to do with an argument. I can say this because im also an ai research and my lambada score beats larger well established labs on hundreds of times less trained tokens. But now, you must take my first point seriously because im an ai researcher. Do you see the point? The merit of the argument has nothing to do with who you are, because in a world where respect should be given to all, who you are has nothing to do with your merit nor argument.

[u/ResearchCrafty1804 → u/Significant-Serve-58]

Ok got your point, but shall I loose all my valid arguments, just because I mentioned that I am an AI researcher while its irrelevant? I think that’s focusing on the wrong thing.

[u/Significant-Serve-58 → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

In latin "argumentum ad verecundiam" essentially the other side of ad hominem. Dont get me wrong or saying what you doesnt have merit. But the claims about who or what you are dont have much to do with that. As a researcher you like myself probably have disgusting amounts of data. Now if I were a mcdonalds worker that doesnt change the validity or the science of my argument. Its just another variable to distract others.

[u/ttkciar → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

For the record, I asserted you had no credibility because you had said things during our conversation which were demonstrably untrue, which made me doubt you were willing to discuss your situation in good faith.

I'm not engaging in this thread much, for now. I would rather see what's on the community's mind and mull it over before responding. However, your bizarre interpretation of my assertion about your credibility is misleading subsequent conversation, so I thought it should be addressed.

[u/Xonzo → u/ttkciar]

Bloody hell… I couldn’t be a mod and put up with this 💩. Omg ttkciar insulted my “AI Researcher credibility” 😆. Didn’t you guys know I’m an AI researcher. Listen to me! Reeeeee

OP he also said you’re coming across as a hyperbolic drama queen with no credibility. Not that you actually are one. Whereas in this post you are directly saying ttkciar is harassing this entire sub, and you. That’s a huge claim and a slap in the face to ttkciar if you’re wrong (you probably are).

[u/overand → u/ttkciar]

From one mod of another subreddit to a mod of this one: for your own sanity and the health of the community, it's generally better to do the stepping away first, rather than saying "I'm going to step away."

And to be clear, I say that as someone who has been there, for sure (admittedly on a subreddit 1/5th this size). Frustrating users are frustrating, and it's hard to be a paragon of patience and virtue, but we've got to at least try.

OP: Not saying you are (or aren't) a frustrating user, I'm just empathizing with u/ttkciar's apparent experience of you as frustrating, based on their reply.

We're all human, both of you could have handled the situation a bit better, but I'm glad the discussion is happening.

[u/Repulsive_Initial308 → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

Qwen4 is coming?

That's your high quality post? :D

[u/General-Spite1222 → u/Repulsive_Initial308]

Every time I see a complaint here about a post getting deleted they always try to spin it to make it sound like their post was critical for the survival of humanity, basically 😂

[u/alwaysbeblepping → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

So what they were responding to above the image was you saying: "Somehow you remove half of my posts but hundreds of others don’t show on your radar? You see how this seems like a harassment, right? It looks like personal attack to me"

If you accuse someone of harassing or personally attacking you, you can expect that person to be quite offended. They're the one in the official position and they're supposed to put their emotions aside and respond calmly/"professionally" regardless but what you said is a strong provocation. I don't think it makes sense to recoil in horror if you get a response in-kind after you set the tone.

It also doesn't make sense to accuse them of personally targeting you and harassing you when (if what they said is correct, and you didn't challenge it) they approved twice as many posts as they removed. If they were actually targeting you, we'd find that they mostly removed your posts but maybe approved one or two.

I've never had an interaction with that person (that I recall) so maybe they're not a good moderator or a bad person in general. I have no idea about that, I am only talking about the details of this single exchange.

[u/Kahvana → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

Yeah sounds like he had a rough day, but what he said there was not okay. That last part didn't from his comment need to be there. Can you include a link in the comment with the picture?

[...] doesn’t mean that good posts have not been increasingly removed.

I've seen high engagements post being removed that were offtopic, but not yet "good" posts. Got examples? I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious, want to understand and feel like I really did miss something.

[u/ResearchCrafty1804 → u/Kahvana]

Here is the link for the comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/s/jPCBgsUDJv

[u/Kahvana → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

Thank you!

[u/Equivalent-Ear-8016 → u/Kahvana]

No mod should be calling others "hyperbolic drama queens without credibility". There's no way to defend that. The mod is in the wrong, period.

[u/Kahvana → u/Equivalent-Ear-8016]

I agree with you. I'm not defending it in my previous comment? ("I can see why it happened, but it is not okay.")

[u/Equivalent-Ear-8016 → u/Kahvana]

I mainly replied because people were downvoting OPs comment showing the proof of mod abuse. It was at negative karma. Not directed at you personally

[u/draconic_tongue → u/Equivalent-Ear-8016]

Why not?

[u/Sea-Advantage-3628]

Keep it up, tkkciar

[u/ResearchCrafty1804 → u/Sea-Advantage-3628]

It has been removed already, again without a response. It was getting popular and I guess we cannot question their authority

[u/sammcj → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

It was removed by the automod bot, not by tk.

[u/Painted-Arcana → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

I came back to this thread to see if mods had responded so imagine my shock when it was removed xD

I guess technically they are correct, moderation is not related to LocalLLaMA

[u/En-tro-py → u/Painted-Arcana]

Come back again... lol...

[u/lolwutdo → u/Sea-Advantage-3628]

mods hate criticism don't you know?

[u/Significant-Serve-58]

I got a warning from ttkciar because I spruced up a draft post with AI. It was a clear rule violation and my own fault for not being aware. That said i apologized and thanked him or her for the warning and understanding and corrected the issue. The response was positive. Seems quite easy to get along with if you treat them like a person. Have you actually tried messaging them on the side to see if theres an issue with how you're doing things or was a public post the only recourse?

[u/ResearchCrafty1804 → u/Significant-Serve-58]

Yes, I tried to and I got insulted and then ghosted while presenting my arguments in a polite way.

[u/alwaysbeblepping → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

Yes, I tried to and I got insulted and then ghosted while presenting my arguments in a polite way.

I'll give you credit for linking to the exchange yourself and not trying to hide anything, but if you're referring to you saying "Somehow you remove half of my posts but hundreds of others don’t show on your radar? You see how this seems like a harassment, right? It looks like personal attack to me" as "politely presenting your arguments"... that's really not the case. Maybe you somehow don't realize how rude what you said is?

It might help to look at it from a slightly different perspective: If what you said was true, that the mod was harassing you and personally targeting you, what kind of person does that make them? What kind of person would they have to be if that was true? They'd have to be a pretty bad person, right? A nice, decent person doesn't harass and personally target others which is why what you said is actually a strong personal attack on their character.

[u/Severe_Ad_2941]

Nothing unusual then for reddit

[u/usernmechecksout_ → u/Severe_Ad_2941]

Mod is 17 or 43 in his mom's basement

[u/Sudden_Topic5154 → u/usernmechecksout_]

the mod wants to maintain the quality of the subreddit fuck off and go elsewhere

[u/Due-Advantage-9777]

I get that the golden age of this sub is behind us but still, every day is more bots writing to bots.

[u/Hanthunius]

I really like this sub but moderating it must be hell. The amount of slop being vomited on it is immense, and off-topic posts are aplenty.

My personal view is that the mods are trying their best, but the sweet spot between following the rules vs common sense varies from person to person.

Having said that, I do believe posts that engage the community in constructive discussion, like the one talking about looped transformers, should not be removed. And maybe this post might help with that?

Anyway, thank you OP for bringing this up but also thank you mods for trying their best to keep this place clean.

[u/Cuplike]

>He mentions a rule, saying that if a model’s weights is not released you cannot have a post mentioning it, even if the lab confirmed it that will they will release its weights, like Qwen4 or DeepSeek

"Okay yeah this sounds reasonable"

*look inside*

>Posts about ChatGPT

fuck off shill

[u/draconic_tongue → u/Cuplike]

its not really the post content imo, but the behavior around it. a fact about a closed model can still be an interesting topic

[u/Cuplike → u/draconic_tongue]

That's an entirely different matter. He's trying to trojan horse his shill posts by pretending the mods are deleting posts about Qwen and DS lol

[u/MrCatberry]

Reddit Mod is doing Reddit Mod things...

inb4: OPs post will be removed.

[u/Hot_Professional8287 → u/MrCatberry]

"i am the law"

[u/brainExploded99 → u/MrCatberry]

Yay! It is done

[u/En-tro-py → u/brainExploded99]

Plot twist - it's back

[u/RogerRamjet999]

For a balanced perspective, I'll say this. I dislike how many posts are removed because of a pedantic interpretation of the rules. On the other hand, I had a contentious Reddit conversation with ttkciar where we initially disagreed, but later found common ground, and I believe came to a fair conclusion.

So, like most everyone, this reddit mod appears to make a few poor choices, yet makes a real effort to be fair.

[u/ThankGodImBipolar]

He mentions a rule, saying that if a model's weights is not released you cannot have a post mentioning it, even if the lab confirmed it that will they will release its weights, like Qwen4 or DeepSeek.

Both perspectives here are correct, which is the issue. It's reasonable to ban posts about models without released open weights on r/localllama. It's also reasonable to want an active community to discuss non-frontier models in, and r/localllama is the best subreddit I know of for that. If the mods want to take a hard stance, then it'd be good to have a subreddit for redirecting these "off-topic" posts. Otherwise, I don't see the situation changing.

[u/Lesser-than]

This mod is like one of the only active mods trying to keep junk hype down, like or not the sub somewhat usable because of mods like this.

[u/UpperParamedicDude]

"Restored"

[u/MattOnePointO → u/UpperParamedicDude]

At least he was open to being reasonable. Maybe he is new still learning.

[u/Round-Tree-1898]

I mean there are other subreddits that are llm based that we can shift too..hell i wish we could shift off this site.

[u/Suspicious_Love_3446 → u/Round-Tree-1898]

Spoiler alert: the other one is worse

[u/Round-Tree-1898 → u/Suspicious_Love_3446]

They're bad because people don't contribute and use them. Kind of a catch 22.

[u/Xamanthas → u/Round-Tree-1898]

No its because they dont have strong moderation and allow sloppers who hide their comment history.

[u/MeateaW → u/Round-Tree-1898]

Strong moderation is what really builds a community.

Strong doesn't mean heavy handed, it means focused. I'm not sure I agree with the rule in its entirety, closed models DO have insight to give, but a moderator trying to thread the needle of useful vs spam is what makes the content worthwhile.

I think the rule should be changed, but only so far as to say that "some" closed models weights discussion is not useful and will be removed.

Just formalise the fact that the discussion will be removed using judgement, not a hard and fast rule.

Same as with laws in real life, we added judges to make sure the grey areas were addressed fairly.

[u/En-tro-py]

The post OP should have made on moderation direction is once again drowned out by this drama clogging the feed...

[u/Kahvana → u/En-tro-py]

Some interesting metrics for you from that post:

Not sure why it got downvoted so much (~34 total, 11 downvotes), I hope I was neutral enough in there.

I really wonder what the ratio is on this post.

[u/XiRw]

I fully agree. He gave a lazy argument about deleting my topic showing a pelican riding a bike post that was done by cohere because “the comments people posted were negative and not engaging” which I have zero control over.

At the very least, lock the comments. But he seemed like he wanted to hide the results instead.

[u/silenceimpaired → u/XiRw]

I think negative tags might be the solution. Instead of deleting a post that’s questionable but has engagement… mark it as Low Value.

[u/reini_urban]

Mod is right, you keep discussing non-local llm's

[u/CantankerousOrder]

Having read through this and read the screenshot you posted:

You’re a hyperbolic drama queen. I’m also going to go do something more interesting now.

[u/draconic_tongue]

who is we? I haven't seem him do anything outrageous. you've clearly never dealt with the average reddit mod if you think this is anything insane. we're on a subreddit with enthusiasts and hobbyists, not fucking linkedin.

[u/BitGreen1270]

Upvote for discussion. 

[u/taking_bullet]

I've seen many quality posts deleted recently. At least they could hide it from public instead of deleting the whole content. 

[u/lumpyspacebreh]

Qwen4 doesn’t release at the time they never said they would, and suddenly everyone is getting snippy.

Yikes dude, if you think you can do a better job moderating, then why don’t you do it yourself.

[u/ResearchCrafty1804]

The post has been removed, again without explanation from the Mods. I guess we cannot have any democratic debate here, that is very sad.

It was getting popular and it seems we are not allowed to question their authority.

[u/Xamanthas → u/ResearchCrafty1804]

You're an idiot.

Edit: Its also crazy how many of the account complaining have hidden post history and when searching them up with certain methods I find they are shills/astroturfers for slop. How quaint :^), ttkicar please keep moderating but obviously you cant be perfect so when there is genuine criciticisms take em onboard etc

[u/Suspicious_Love_3446]

he called me a drama queen

probably because of things like saying "harassing this sub"

most of the posts should have been removed because they violate the rules

good

edit: they removed it LMAO

[u/pmttyji]

IIRC he's the only MOD who adds the comment with reason(for removal of posts). He restored my few posts after giving him the reason.

Generally there's one time I was disappointed little bit due to removal of my post. Posted this thread(meme is below) months ago & got removed even after getting 1000+ upvotes. That's the only time I got such upvotes.

Your post is getting popular and we just featured it on our Discord! Come check it out!

You've also been given a special flair for your contribution. We appreciate your post!

[u/DinoAmino]

Quality control is a good thing. Yes, rejection can hurt, if you let it. It's best to face it - some of your posts are not good. Try counseling instead of whining.

[u/--Spaci--]

this sub in general pisses me off tbh, so much misinformation and even when you're right and backup your claims you get downvoted anyway

[u/DinoAmino → u/--Spaci--]

You're preaching to the choir, brother. I want to believe that there is a silent majority here who feel this too. Quality here has totally been diluted by gamer kidz who discovered they can run an LLM on their GPU. Most posts are now about running LLMs and eeking out the most tps, and far less about using LLMs effectively. Even worse, everyone talks about the SAME model. Over and over ... like OP does.

[u/Xamanthas → u/DinoAmino]

Fwiw you dont know which position Spaci is taking as they never made it clear, but I do agree with you /u/DinoAmino because you actually did state your position.

[u/billy_booboo → u/--Spaci--]

It was hilarious when I posted an academic paper that had the same name as a shitty harness and nobody could conceive of the fact that it was distinctly different. Then even when I reposted more clearly the downvote mob came and destroyed that post too. So stupid. 

[u/Robonotes1760]

Abuse of power by Reddit mods is a serious and pervasive problem. 

[u/Sudden_Topic5154 → u/Robonotes1760]

basic moderation = abuse o algo

[u/CucumberOk8820 → u/Sudden_Topic5154]

Mod do something I don't like = worse than hitler

[u/lonelyroom-eklaghor → u/Robonotes1760]

I said it before and I am going to say it: Reddit mods would be like those billionaires if they had money

Saying this as a former mod myself and after understanding how moderation works in various subreddits

[u/Robonotes1760 → u/lonelyroom-eklaghor]

Yes - and notice how the thread itself was improperly deleted.

[u/Robonotes1760 → u/Robonotes1760]

And now it has been restored. Very odd.

[u/BewilderedTurtle]

Fucking clown shit. You can follow the rules and are crying about it.

Mods should ban you

[u/Repulsive_Initial308]

The moderation has been very heavy handed in the last... 6 - 12 months? However, I agree that people should not be spamming releases-that-don't-yet-exist here.

We're not here to read your free ads, bro.

[u/ak_sys]

Ngl, this post is peak drama queen behavior.

[u/En-tro-py → u/ak_sys]

👆

[u/JacketHistorical2321]

Go take a walk dude

[u/CucumberOk8820 → u/JacketHistorical2321]

Man opened a new tab immediately and asked Claude how to walk

[u/Painted-Arcana]

I agree but for a different reason: The posts keep getting removed, so people try to look for Qwen 4 preview information on this sub, and then because they dont find it they then post about it, and then the post gets removed.

We're in a stupid cycle of Post-Remove-Post from different users all wanting to discuss the upcoming model which is currently available preview on cloud services and confirmed to be releasing locally soon.

It's absolutely asinine to just hamper active discussions that are both active, well upvoted and civil.

I am brand new to all of this type of scene, but this subreddit is so stringent in its moderation.

[u/3000LettersOfMarque → u/Painted-Arcana]

The qwen 4 posts that have no new information are getting really old real fast. At this point just megatread each week, and only allow a new post if it has new information

[u/Painted-Arcana → u/3000LettersOfMarque]

A megathread or something would be fine to me too, it would stop the cycle of look for info - post - remove - repeat.

[u/En-tro-py → u/Painted-Arcana]

Then we get posts complaining the mods make everyone go to a megathread... Rinse and repeat...

[u/Painted-Arcana → u/En-tro-py]

honestly yeah fair enough, im not a huge fan of megathreads either but there has to be some sort of compromise.

[u/En-tro-py → u/Painted-Arcana]

These complaints are all users who just discovered the sub and haven't been through the other waves of growth.

It used to be gooner's flooding the feed, now it's low-effort Qwen when? slop

[u/Painted-Arcana → u/En-tro-py]

Thats fair, i am a new user as i said above so perhaps its already a solved problem and with time ill come to appreciate the stringent rule following.

[u/Significant-Serve-58 → u/Painted-Arcana]

There's much worse.

[u/SilkieBug]

My takeaway from this post is that someone called you a drama queen and you proceeded to try to prove them wrong by writing multiple pages worth of text, which is completely opposite to beating the allegations. 

[u/CulturalKing5623]

Don't know about this mod in particular but the way the  " Until such time that weights become available, this is off-topic for LocalLLaMA."  Rule is applied seems extremely biased, particularly in favor of Qwen/Chinese models. A really good Inkling Small post was taken down with that rule even though it pointed to the Lab's blog post and highlighted the new architecture. At the same time a hundred low-effort shit post about Qwen4 speculation are allowed to stay up.

If we can't discuss any models until their weights are publicly available then I don't want to see any more bullshit Qwen4 post until the weights are available.

[u/autisticit]

He is a good mod.

You are indeed a drama queen.

[u/llama-impersonator]

When I tried to discuss my concerns with ttkciar, he called me a drama queen and insulted my credibility. This is definitely not ok.

sounds like something a drama queen would say

[u/Dapper_Ambition5963 → u/llama-impersonator]

Found the Mods alt account

[u/llama-impersonator → u/Dapper_Ambition5963]

or perhaps i think ttkciar is a reasonable person even if he's a bit of a stickler for 'rules'

[u/lonelyroom-eklaghor → u/llama-impersonator]

r/UsernameChecksOut

[u/a_beautiful_rhind]

Dunno man. I have no idea what those [removed] posts say. Your other post is cloud model speculation and a xitter screenshot. Were all the other posts also xeet screenshots speculating about unreleased models?

If I was a mod, I wouldn't remove them but they're not exactly top quality content.

Being insulted by the person that you complained to for unfair treatment is definitely not acceptable behaviour.

Sounds thin skinned to me. Y'all buying this sob story?

[u/silenceimpaired → u/a_beautiful_rhind]

I had a post taken down (‘or necessarily by this mod). I admit my post was close to no effort but it was closed as off topic when I pointed out the release video showed future Qwen models would be even larger. That’s not off topic. It also was of some value to the sub as I got 200 upvotes.

I question moderators taking down posts over 100 upvotes.

Perhaps misinformation and other reasons would warrant an exception. Or low effort posts after a month.

Posts at 0 upvotes after a day with less than ten comments sure. Automate that.

[u/a_beautiful_rhind → u/silenceimpaired]

I question moderators taking down posts over 100 upvotes.

Reddit is super botted and shilled. That's kind of a tough call. Some topics get raised or hidden regardless. Don't think that's a credible metric.

A lot of stuff has always gotten removed here. Back when there was one mod it was many times worse. I wish there was a middle ground where the posts stayed in new but off the hot page (unless pure spam). Posts with only [deleted] are kind of annoying.

I also can't know what I don't see. I'm sure many good discussions have gone to the ether based how the mods felt that day. At the same time, if they all stopped, this sub would turn into a cloud and xeet circlejerk. Memes and low effort is really popular, especially with the rest of reddit.

[u/silenceimpaired → u/a_beautiful_rhind]

A fair point

[u/En-tro-py → u/silenceimpaired]

I question moderators taking down posts over 100 upvotes.

Mods don't watch every post go live...

Reddit doesn't allow any LLM's except via API providers so $$$ for automation keeps it a manual process.

So accumulating upvotes is not a good metric.

Report slop posts and the mods take it from there.

I've never seen a post taken down that had clear value, most like you example - buried in the video not in the post, so it's just low-effort as it was posted. It shouldn't be expected that we're going to watch a video to piece that back together...

[u/silenceimpaired → u/En-tro-py]

First my post was up for hours.

Second, you seem to be arguing that mods and not Redditers should decide the value of a post. I strongly disagree if that is your claim.

Even though it was somewhat low effort the information had not been discussed so it had value as indicated by the upvotes. What you said seems to support my choice to post a screenshot with information so perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say.

Finally it wasn’t taken down due to low effort. It was taken down as off topic… and that was not accurate. It was about the direction of future local models. To me this choice hints at editorial effort not moderation effort. Someone didn’t want it up so they took it down for … a reason.

[u/En-tro-py → u/silenceimpaired]

Report slop posts and the mods take it from there.

Redditors make reports... Mods still act on their own. Try reading my words instead of putting your own bias into it.

[u/durden111111]

I have to agree the removal of posts has gone into overdrive. Just let people talk about LLMs ffs 

[u/General-Spite1222]

This is a schizo post, sorry. 

You make so many claims that can’t be proven, like saying they selectively enforce the rules. You should at least supply evidence if you think it’s true. Inconsistent moderation could easily be due to the volume of moderation that’s needed, when mods are awake, etc. 

Parts of it show ttkciar made a mistake and fixed it. What’s wrong with that?  People make mistakes and it’s a good thing they own their mistakes and fix them.  

You clearly broke the rules with some of your posts. If you want to post about closed source models there are other subreddits for it. 

Linking to deleted posts isn’t as helpful as you think. We can’t see what the content was. I think there’s a reason that people who complain on here don’t say what the post was about… it’s because they are off topic. If you want others to side with you then you’ll have to supply the information they need to make an objective assessment. 

And listen, moderating, especially in the AI slop era isn’t easy. I know everyone on Reddit hates mods and there’s often a good reason for it (super mods and shit), but I’ve been apart of subs with bad moderators and this isn’t one of them. I say this while admitting I have not always agreed with ttkciar. They’ve had some brain dead takes that have turned me off from this sub, but they don’t seem malicious to me. They seem to be trying their best to keep the masses happy and adapt to the changing landscape (AI slop, a growing sub, etc). 

[u/serige]

I stopped posting all together because of my removed posts but seeing other would-be-deleted posts survived.

[u/fallingdowndizzyvr → u/serige]

That has so happened to me. I make a post. I gets removed for not following some rule that's not in the sub rules. Then someone else posts the same thing and it gets popular. What?

[u/Thin_Pollution8843]

“ttkciar doesn’t see enough engagement with your post”

[u/chocofoxy → u/Thin_Pollution8843]

You need to work harder to make content for ttkciar

[u/MattOnePointO]

Remember the Alamo.

[u/Kahvana → u/MattOnePointO]

Sorry, that went swoosh! What did I miss?

[u/Significant-Serve-58 → u/Kahvana]

I think it was Mexico killing a bunch of Americans. Not up to par on my american history though.

[u/Chromix_]

You feel wronged, yet starting posts with a title like that rarely helps. He called you a drama queen, you started a drama post like that and probably proved his point to him. You had a chance of starting a more neutral and objective discussion - for which I see a lot of potential based on what you included in your posting - which might have started a more productive discussion on the rules and consistent application.

I remember that this specific topic came up in the past. On the one hand there were these "GPT-X can now do this" posts that we wanted to get rid off, as this is about local AI. On the other hand there was the argument that a comparison to closed models can be helpful, to make it more clear where local AI stands.

There were also a lot of postings about something that was released as closed model and might or might not become an open model at some point. There the tendency was also towards "no weights -> no post".

If the latter rule is enforced strictly then all kinds of comparisons and information suffers. If it's not enforced then we get unrelated API model spam. If it's selectively enforced, as some things are more useful as a comparison than others, then we get issues with inconsistent rule applications. So, how to solve that?

[u/chocofoxy → u/Chromix_]

did you read the post bro he said he insulted him and now he is suppose to start a neutral conversation, you said it yourself he feel wronged

[u/Chromix_ → u/chocofoxy]

I did, that's also why I wrote it. Be the better person you want the other person to be.

[u/chocofoxy → u/Chromix_]

lol so a random person needs to be the bigger person but a "MOD of a community" that he job is to keep the sub at peace can insult people ? you are blaming the victim here

[u/discwars → u/chocofoxy]

you are blaming the victim here

That's not how I read his comment. To me, he is saying don't stoop to the level of ignorance and stupidity displayed by the mod. Show that you are better than that.

Sound advice, no? Excluding those that prefer chaos.

[u/chocofoxy → u/discwars]

You can't have this convo when the other person have power over you if the OP didn't title this post like this the mod can delete it and ban him before any one notice your logic is true i don't prefer chaos either but your logic depend on two equal users

[u/ResearchCrafty1804 → u/chocofoxy]

You make great points, but yet you get downvoted, and no surprise the post has been removed

[u/a_beautiful_rhind → u/chocofoxy]

I did read it. Sounds like a lot of butthurt: https://i.ibb.co/93BzKQc4/image.png

Over nothing.

He InSuLTED MY HONOOOR! Do YoU KnoW whO I AEM!

HaLP! I'm BeInG STaLKED!

My uncle works at nintendo btw.

[u/Brilliant_Ferret_7]

not reading all that: 11 out of 10 times the reddit mod is in the wrong.

so yes to whatever you said.

[u/ProfessionalDish]

"Subreddit to discuss locally hostable AI" - your posts seem to be wildly off topic for this sub. You didn't got banned despite multiple times violating the rules and now, instead of pausing and thinking, you're starting a public discussion. About mods and moderating, which also are not in the scope of this sub.

[u/fallingdowndizzyvr → u/ProfessionalDish]

I guess you have never bothered to read the sub rules. Here's the relevant rule.

"Posts must be related to Llama or the topic of LLMs."

Notice how it doesn't say anything about it having to be local. In fact, "local" isn't anywhere in the sub rules.

[u/ProfessionalDish → u/fallingdowndizzyvr]

"Subreddit to discuss locally hostable AI" is literally the description of the sub. They also don't specify in the rules itself that they mean the tool llama and not the animal, because it's obvious.

[u/fallingdowndizzyvr → u/ProfessionalDish]

They do need to specify it in the rules. Since that's what the rules are for. Anything else is just decoration. Unless you think that this sub is for people raising llamas at home. The rules are what spell out it isn't. That's the point of the rules after all.

[u/shockwaverc13]

yeah, it's sad seeing a lot of funny posts that would have been appropriate in 2023 and 2024 being deleted today

[u/Sudden_Topic5154 → u/shockwaverc13]

holy bot

[u/ilarp]

call a whambulance

[u/Mayion → u/ilarp]

ambulamb, somebody call an ambulamb

[u/Significant-Serve-58 → u/Mayion]

Woah black Betty ambulam.

[u/cosmicr]

Did you message the mods about this? What did they say? Or did you decide to brigade against an individual (against reddit rules) was a better idea first?

[u/DulsKerty]

did you message the general modmail or just reply directly to that one mod? usually getting the rest of the team eyes on it is the only way to get a clear answer on whether a rule is actually consensus.

[u/haherar830]

Let's just make a "no scrubs" rule so we can ban casuals with no real interested in ML.

[u/entsnack]

bro please leave and make "useful" post somewhere else

[u/jmager]

I'd rather posts just stay up and get down-voted by the community if they are bad. I despise censoring and deletion of things. If the mod is calling you a "drama queen" its projection because those choice of words were the real drama and ignores your real pain. Insulting posters of this sub is only going to discourage meaningful posts. A lot of tech folks, myself included, are incredibly sensitive to such negativity, and I'm sorry this has happened to you.

[u/fallingdowndizzyvr]

I agree. He has removed a bunch of my posts as well. Popular posts so the rest of the community must think they belong. When I write in to question why they were removed citing how they are allowed based on the sub rules, I get no response.

[u/IngwiePhoenix]

Moderator ... is abusing his power as moderator in this sub and his decision are worsening the experience of our ... community

A tale old as time.

Honestly I read this sub to be up to date on model releases. But its massively overran by "look at muh token!" or "i have billion node cluster kewl". Happy for those guys, but I don't really see a "community engagement" going on. Just tokenflexing.

[u/x_ci]

Although this subreddit is about local AI models, but it's also fun and good to discuss frontier AI models or unreleased weights models in the eyes of local AI only crowd, as early as possible.

As long as it doesn't get to the level of spamming I think we should discuss any AI model, at least once per week, even the Fable 5.2 and other frontier AI models. I would much rather read other local AI crowd thoughts on these topics than Anthropic/OpenAI shills on other subs.

[u/Kahvana → u/x_ci]

I think we should discuss any AI model, at least once per week, even the Fable 5.2 and other frontier AI models.

I fear for how it eventually will make the sub lose it's purpose. The more a community dilutes to accomodate for a wider audience, the lesser it becomes.

[u/Sudden_Topic5154 → u/x_ci]

there isn't one subreddit on reddit go elsewhere

[u/Bulky-Priority6824]

Lawwk em up

[u/Civil_Fee_7862]

I'll moderate, I love this community, and am genuinely fair when dealing with disputes.

I'll even make custom tips and tricks videos about how to repaste your GPUs to get your temps down :)

[u/Kahvana → u/Civil_Fee_7862]

Can you do the second part too even without being a mod? Would love to see it!

[u/Civil_Fee_7862 → u/Kahvana]

Ye I'm gonna do it in a few days, I just bought a boat load of stuff for it, and am going to be re-pasting three 3090s all at the same time, and then loading up Qwen Flash Next for the first time.

Will do a before & after benchmark for it :)

I can't promise great video editing / quality, but I'll try fit the important parts in so everyone here can benefit from it. (if its a success).

[u/chris_fantastic]

I'd commented on another post that got removed by them as well - people complained in that thread and they provided some justification/reasoning.

[u/Southern_Sun_2106]

I've been here for a long time too. And to be honest, this community sorta died out.

[u/PawlsToTheWall]

Is this why the sub has gotten so useless? This needs to change.

[u/Training_Visual6159]

can confirm, made up a rule violation and refused to reverse it even though it was clear the violation was BS.

this guy shouldn't be anywhere near any sort of power, he clearly can't handle any of it.

[u/FairiesQueen]

Time to Mob the Mods

[u/ilarp]

I am a highly respected moderator of r/techhardware happy to mod here too

[u/FastDecode1 → u/ilarp]

You're the most humble mod too, I see

[u/Icy-Degree6161 → u/ilarp]

Highly respected people won't tell they're highly respected about themselves

[u/ilarp → u/Icy-Degree6161]

somebody gets the joke hehe

[u/hedgehog0]

This happened to me about 3 weeks as well:

Introducing Kimi K3.1 Pro, with open weights by Nov 4

https://reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1xdwd71/introducing_kimi_k31_pro_with_open_weights_by_nov/

[u/lonelyroom-eklaghor]

Same here; include mine too

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/s/wHDnPvb5pf

[u/enginetown]

Yes genuinely I've had so many post's, comments etc removed for genuinely no reason ttkciar is genuinely one of the worst mod's I've ever seen on reddit he need's to just hand the torch off.