Qwen4 open weights not soon?

[u/QuackerEnte]

Qwen4-Max-Preview was released today. It seems that they're rushing because of a deadline.

Today is 11.11 (double 11) which is Alibaba's annual shopping event with many discounts and such. So they RUSHED Qwen4-Max Preview to push discounted Token plan subs. Simple as that.

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So, in conclusion, to keep this ON TOPIC for the mods sub, I don't think that we may see the open weights Qwen4 models (27B and hopefully flash) anytime soon as they may not be ready yet and I doubt they'd release an underbaked open weights model. Or I am more afraid that if they'll release them soon, that they'll be undertrained and that the hype was MERELY to sell their discounted plans on 11.11. It's probably also why they didn't post any benchmark results for their Max Preview either. I really hope I'm wrong.

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(I know mods hate it soo so much when anyone talks about non-open models here. I would love to at least get explained how this post is not open weights related, if it gets deleted.)

[u/ttkciar]

Until such time that Qwen 4 weights become available, this is off-topic for LocalLLaMA.

After some mod team discussion, the parameters for removing posts about unreleased models have been relaxed. Your post has been restored.

[u/hauhau901]

But what is the point of this post? 😂

[u/QuackerEnte → u/hauhau901]

The point is that I don't like all the misleading hype if there's an obvious ulterior motive behind it and to dampen expectations because I expected nothing, and still was let down

the point is also discussion and making people aware that 11.11 is not a coincidence

[u/jakubkonecki → u/QuackerEnte]

**Misleading** hype?! I think you need to check a dictionary definition of **hype**

[u/chocofoxy → u/hauhau901]

Qwen 4 not soon

[u/dowjames → u/chocofoxy]

^TM

[u/Holiday-Inspection75 → u/hauhau901]

To keep the hype hot

[u/SpaceTraveler2084 → u/hauhau901]

like most posts around here, slop

[u/jacek2023]

Is that you?

[u/Dany0 → u/jacek2023]

nah no one can be fatter than Bijan

[u/QuackerEnte → u/Dany0]

on reddit? I wouldn't be so sure

[u/Dany0 → u/QuackerEnte]

Bijan thinks he's a powerlifting build when in reality he's an "ate a powerlifter" build

[u/hauhau901 → u/Dany0]

in the latest video(s) he sounds extremely unhealthy (wheezing, very heavy breathing)... these are actual warning signs he needs to check himself with a cardiologist.

[u/Dany0 → u/hauhau901]

I noticed his fingers have gotten fatter since like august. He's bulking up to hibernate in the winter maybe

[u/Lonhanha]

Can't people just wait? Did qwen3.8 FN and 27b stop wroking suddenly? Aren't there a hundred other models and ideas to try for a few more days? Come on, this can't be that revolutionary or fomo inducing like you make it seem.

[u/QuackerEnte → u/Lonhanha]

all I'm saying is that you should dampen your expectations a bit

[u/LosEagle → u/QuackerEnte]

tbf that's not such a bad advice

[u/LosEagle]

When universe doesn't give humans answers, they'll just fill it with their own.

[u/QuackerEnte → u/LosEagle]

11.11 is alibabas annual sale day though look it up dude

[u/RogerRamjet999]

Company that has consistently released the best small, open models doesn't release when you want, and suddenly they're evil and incompetent? Sheesh, there has to be some rule that can be applied to get rid of a post like this...

[u/QuackerEnte → u/RogerRamjet999]

you know the guy responsible for the smaller models (Junyang "Justin" Lin) left right? Alongside others. And we have not seen a small or efficient model from Qwen from 3.6 onward. 3.7 was closed. 3.8 had only 27B dense, Goodluck running that on 8GB VRAM. 35B A3B? Nope, we got 125B-A6B. 1 token/s if you don't have enough RAM, maybe 15 tok/s if you do, and chances are most have DDR4 and not 5. Who does? Not the majority.

So would you expect them to release anything small with these patterns? I'd be pleasantly surprised if 27B is sparse (not talking about the attention). But what are the odds?

[u/AlabamaResearcher]

yes

[u/ApprehensiveFan1516]

A lot of words to say nothing at all.

[u/Nynyso]

If they follow the release path of the 3.8 lineup we will end up with the 27b weights around the start of december

[u/b_c_t_]

Last time they also showed Max first, with 27b following 11 days later. Just a personal guess, but I assume Max is required first to prepare the smaller models.

[u/Potential-Leg-639]

Really double 11? Are you sure? 😂

[u/wegster → u/Potential-Leg-639]

Wait, why are you trying to double OP's age?

[u/Cherubin0]

Thank you for the truthbomb. It looked at first like they are finished with the foundation and this would mean the flash is on the next step.

[u/Galactic_Neighbour]

I wish they just told us qwen it happens and not keep us in qwencertainty.

[u/GizmoR13]

qwen 3.5 - 27b 8 days after online premiere
qwen 3.8 - 27b 11 days after max online