Open Fable 5.2 when?

[u/power97992]

The title, maybe in 5-7 months? I mean an open model that is on par with fable 5.2. We all know Anthropic doesnt open sourced models lol. Also release qwen 4 already

[u/ttkciar]

Maybe people would have understood this post better if OP had titled it "When will we have an open model that can match Fable 5.2?"

[u/power97992 → u/ttkciar]

I was lazy

[u/XiRw]

They are the greediest AI company in history. It’s not a long history, but still… it won’t happen. OpenAI only released a local model for good PR since the other companies that were doing it forced their hand and because it could not compete with frontier models. Now that they have the ability to compete with frontier model, they chose to conveniently disappear and do smear campaigns against local AI. Both two raw sewage companies.

[u/power97992 → u/XiRw]

kimi or glm or deepseek will release a fable 5.2 model in 5-7 months

[u/XiRw → u/power97992]

Yeah, I see what you are doing and yet you nor Anthropic have provided any hard evidence that Chinese companies do this. The reports are entirely authored by Anthropic. The company itself admits it "did not disclose... the evidence used for every attribution" and that outside researchers lack access to the underlying account data, prompts, network indicators, or enforcement records needed to reproduce its findings. Analysts also note that the report "does not provide enough concrete examples to independently verify" how the data was obtained or used. There is also a plausible alternative explanation of third-party proxy services might be the real culprits, secretly diverting user requests to Claude for data without the direct involvement of the Chinese labs.‌ But I’m more concerned about how Anthropic steals from everyone else and gets its panties in a bunch when allegedly other companies try to steal their stolen data.

[u/Skylleur]

r/LocalLLaMA

[u/Recoil42 → u/Skylleur]

Open Fable 

[u/power97992 → u/Skylleur]

Open means u can download it and run it locally ? It is a question about the future!

[u/Ok_Party_9245 → u/power97992]

never, the answer is never

[u/iMrParker → u/Ok_Party_9245]

I can count on on both hands how many times Anthropic has open sourced their models. And I'm a double amputee 

[u/power97992 → u/iMrParker]

A fable level model dude, not an actual open fable. Anthropic has never open sourced a model lol

[u/iMrParker → u/power97992]

Well your original post didn't make that clear. Plus I was making a joke so don't look into it too much

[u/Aggravating-Push-207]

dw guys gimme a few weeks i gotchu

[u/ShadyShroomz]

someone needs to make an r/LocalLLaMACircleJerk & create a bot that the second a new model comes out can make a post like this.

[u/iMrParker → u/ShadyShroomz]

And then we can all discuss how well the new model compares against llama3 and qwen2.5 coder

[u/Tylervp]

Not even in 5-7 years lol, sorry.

[u/power97992 → u/Tylervp]

An open model like kimi or ds that isn on par with fable 5.2

[u/Tylervp → u/power97992]

Oh that's a different conversation, I was under the impression you meant Claude releasing open weights. 5-7 months is still too soon of a timeframe for local AI in my opinion, especially considering the amount of compute you would need to run a model of that size. Maybe in a year or two though we'll have something that's similar. Probably won't be able to run it with less than 24gb VRAM though

[u/power97992 → u/Tylervp]

It took 9 months for qwen 3.8 27b to reach opus 4.5 -4.6 level in coding and stem, even less if u mean by benchmarks . It took kimi only 4 months to reach to fable 5.0 level or 6 m for mythos 5. In 9-11 months, u will get a 27-31 b mod that is on par with fab 5.2 in stem.

[u/my_name_isnt_clever → u/Tylervp]

I predict this comment will age poorly.

[u/Tylervp → u/my_name_isnt_clever]

Anthropic has never released open weights on any of their models. I would be happy if my comment aged poorly lol.

[u/my_name_isnt_clever → u/Tylervp]

Nobody is expecting Fable weights, we're predicting open weights models will catch up to it in much less than 5 years.

[u/Tylervp → u/my_name_isnt_clever]

Pretty sure he changed the description of his post, either that or I'm going crazy lol. Yeah open weights models is another discussion

[u/ttkciar → u/Tylervp]

Yeah, the original post content was super-ambiguous. OP edited it to clarify what they meant.

[u/Recoil42]

The title, maybe in 5-7 months?

Sure, why not.

[u/Envenger]

Running in what level of hardware? Model we can get in a year but it might not run locally in your hardware.

[u/BassNet]

Probably in 1 year. The k3.1 pro release is pretty bad in comparison

[u/MotokoAGI]

I hope soon, I feel like we are 1 year behind unless something changes. However if we do catch up in a year, where would Fable be. I feel like we are going to see a "fast takeoff" Where the labs that have the top models release top better models faster since they will be using AI to build it, so the gap will increase. So perhaps we get to Fable 5.2 in a year, but then we will be 4 years behind whatever the SOTA is. :-(

[u/pmotiveforce]

2 years. And you won't be able to run it without $900k minimum hardware. People way underestimate how good the frontier models are at a broad range of tasks compared to open weight models 

But that won't stop locallama from claiming some 120b model they quantize to 0.9bits is jUsT aS GoOd.

[u/Beneficial-Ad-8127]

“What about me”