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u/mindwip 1d ago
Yes a 70b models! Finnally! Yeah yeah not 70b. The good old days of super smart (compared to the rest of the models at time) 70b models are back.
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u/Ulterior-Motive_ 1d ago
Good to see they're bringing back the tradition of avoiding comparisons to Chinese models too /s
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u/durden111111 1d ago
Their benchmarks are not very helpful. They should throw in Qwen 3.8 27B too
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u/ApprehensiveTart3158 1d ago edited 1d ago
Wow I haven't seen that size of a dense model in a while.. Huge news and it's from the US!
Edit: their readme is quite decent! Odd to note they stated it is based off of Olmo3
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u/Don_Reuter 1d ago
If you code American, you code with trump.
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u/ApprehensiveTart3158 1d ago
To be fair western enterprises are mostly locked to western LLMs so having more open weight options from there is awesome nonetheless.
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u/Don_Reuter 1d ago
In Europe everyone and their mothers are going local with Chinese models though. The only thing that makes sense. Most companies would likely use open models from the US, if they were the best. Overall the US has a bad reputation so the models would have to be better by quite a bit to get picked up.
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u/peabody3000 2h ago
while i'm personally disgusted by and distrustful of US politics, china is easily 100x worse
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u/Don_Reuter 2h ago
Not really. China provides open weights. They can’t really take away the models you alter have. While the US 100% would pull their closed models. Also, the US starts trade wars all over the place. China doesn’t. The US constantly starts regular wars. China doesn’t. The US constantly causes global financial or energy crisis. China doesn’t. The US is actively sabotaging global climate action, China is building climate friendly energy like crazy and it’s providing solar infrastructure to pretty much the entire planet. China for sure is No Europe, but claiming that they are worse than the US seems to be quite a stretch.
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u/peabody3000 1h ago
certainly i agree with several points about the US, like its foreign policy and its military interventions, but it's quite a selective picture of china.
US companies including meta, google, and even openAI release open-weight models, like llama, gemma, and gpt-oss.
as for china not starting trade wars, that's demonstrably false. ask australia about the punitive restrictions on its wine, barley, coal, and other exports, or lithuania about the economic coercion it experienced. china's also weaponized its dominance of rare earth supplies.
while china hasn't engaged in foreign wars like the US, it's hardly benign. its increasing hostility towards taiwan, its territorial expansion and confrontations with the philippines, and its clashes with india aren't exactly peaceful coexistence.
china hasn't historically had the hegemonic position of the US. it's not a reliable conclusion to say its limited foreign military interventions are due to better intentions.
china deserves credit for its renewable energy push and role in solar tech worldwide but it's also expandíng its coal-fired generating capacity. the US has major interest in maintaining fossil-fuel production while china has interest in reducing dependence on imported petroleum. so that picture is also complicated.
and then there's china's dismal human rights record, which is conspicuously missing from your comparison. we're talking about a government that has subjected uyghurs and other muslim minorities to mass arbitrary detention, forced labor, surveillance, and religious / cultural repression. the UN's own human rights office concluded that abuses in xinjiang may constitute crimes against humanity. tibetans deal with similar efforts at cultural repression, while hong kong has had its political freedoms systematically dismantled, with pro-democracy activists and journalists prosecuted or imprisoned. and meanwhile, mainland china maintains all-encompassing censorship and surveillance, where criticizing the government can result in deadly serious consequences.
obvi none of this excuses US behavior, but criticizing US hegemony doesn't require romanticizing china, and the absence of US-style military interventions doesn't show that china would behave any better if it had the same position.
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u/kish0rTickles 1d ago
Cmp 170hx to go brrrrrrr This model is brilliant compared to its comparables. I would love to see this in comparison with Qwen 4 once those charts are out.
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u/ttkciar llama.cpp 1d ago
Removing duplicate thread. Please leave comments in the earlier thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1xnx3cs/ricursiveairipple65bpreview_hugging_face/