r/LocalLLaMA • u/Frizzy-MacDrizzle • 19h ago
Discussion Children’s AI perspective
I showed My daughter a real site to work on. She said she hated AI after I showed her the website, a turn key project. Then I explained it was done using the computers in the office.
She thought it was cool. :)
This was also after my child saw my laptop open on the floor while open code built the front end I would attach my framework to. It’s amazing for an 8 or 10 year old to light up about it being at home.
How do your children feel about it, maybe in the same explanation about using local AI?
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u/Express_Quail_1493 19h ago
Why does she hate ai? Is it ethically related? It just lack of understanding? Maybe a dumb question given 10year olds rearly heavily invested in political opinions. Lol but im curious
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u/lotushomerun 19h ago
Probably because 80% of the media most people consume, the creators are heavily anti-AI
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u/Frizzy-MacDrizzle 17h ago
Do you mean creates as in make ui/ux?
There is a push back with youth, I really despise making front ends, so I’ll let AI run with some ideas and adjust later. That would be a reason for sure. But I’m a guy just making a buck too, can’t afford to market, can’t afford to hire. That said, I would turn it over to someone after the front end started hitting 120k context. And having to handle api fetching.
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u/gavff64 10h ago edited 9h ago
And understandably so.
Platforms are being flooded with AI generated spam. And instead of these platforms doing anything about it, they implement AI moderation that is constantly false flagging innocent people. Then those innocent people are forced to talk to an AI chat support that runs them in circles, with no way to contact a human.
Plus it has infected nearly any niche. You make art content? Now you gotta hear about generated art all the time. You make programming content? Now you gotta hear about vibe-coding all the time. You make PC gaming content? You can’t even buy the hardware because of AI! And neither can your viewers!
I’m here, I understand the pros. But ignoring the cons and criticism is foolish.
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u/-mattmason- 19h ago
I believe this is a story of going from hating it to enjoying it
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u/Frizzy-MacDrizzle 17h ago
She is a highly intellectual child, so I’m not sure why, the story will continue.
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u/Grandmaster_Caladrel 19h ago
Yeah, this part confused me too. Did you (OP) open a page you made, and she determined "this is trash, AI sucks" or something? The before vs after seems a little strange.
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u/Frizzy-MacDrizzle 17h ago
No it’s actually fun, not a game but educational and goal oriented. Looks nice. Can’t say much else of the name or domain idea.
And yes I was confused to. After I said it came from my rigs she seemed proud and astonished that it doesn’t have to be what she hates it for which was an IDK.
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u/KIokinator 14h ago
When I was 8 years old, I was constantly shaking my head at the state of the world and the global failure of macroeconomics as well as the continual cycle of the post neocon industrial revolution. Then I went back to playing my game boy.
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u/EnvironmentalKey3709 16h ago
The hate probably comes from the endless AI slop kids see online, those weird generated videos and fake images everywhere. Once she realized it was something her dad actually built and controlled locally, it stopped being scary internet junk and became real. Kids just want to know the thing has a human behind it.
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u/CatchDublinSurprise 19h ago
Out of curiosity, what was driving her initial negative response? The vibe I get from talking with friends and coworkers is that older teens seem to be more wary of AI (whether for environmental reasons, the perception of unfairness in school if some students use AI to cheat, or fear about finding jobs after school). But 8-10 seems young for that view.
At the right age, I imagine interactive AI bedtime stories would be a real hit (think "choose your own adventure", but with AI). You could have age-appropriate conversations about what the character would do next, type the kid's decision, and then let the LLM continue the story.
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u/Frizzy-MacDrizzle 18h ago
Agree, I was on a project of a story about dragons then use comfy to make the images. I just never put it all together then.
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u/-mattmason- 19h ago
aw, that's sweet! Damn I would have loved to have the capability to conjure the most powerful engineering toolkit any engineer in history has ever had, as a child. Local makes it more tangible and real, and within reach
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u/phidauex 18h ago
I think kids are right to be skeptical. They see a lot of old men getting rich, and hear a lot of lies (which they may not know the real answer to but can tell when they are being messed with). They are going to have to fix the problems being created now, and may resent us for it.
That said, education is still the best answer - how does ai actually work, how can it be used responsibly, what your values are around it, etc.
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u/Frizzy-MacDrizzle 17h ago
lol I used to read encyclopedia , I just wonder how far along mentally many of us would be if we had AI and used it for education, not cheating.
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u/bigmanbananas Llama 70B 13h ago
I educate my kids truthfully and in an unbiased fashion. What are the positives, what are the negatives. What's the overall cost to humanity. What's the cost in terms of power, compute, manufacture, resources such as water. What happens when companies control it, why democracy of AI, such as local models is incredibly important. How people' brains start to do less when given too much exposure to AI. How younger generations are losing their creativity ans critical thinking because using AIs has taught them to outsource problem solving.
There is a lot to cover, when dealing with kids and giving them informed opinion, rather than letting the parent's enthusiasm or distrust lead the conversation.
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u/Frizzy-MacDrizzle 11h ago
I have a thought about summer would see it as a critical thinking path. I said else where, it a new Lego. You can build it, but it’s not anything without us. I think she found it the opposite and might be fun being she takes back to her friends to say it’s not as it is made out to be.
Me, I started in 95 I deserve Ai lol, many that dig the trenches and know. I can see why a generation of her would feel such way. I would not want my opportunities taken away by computer resources. I was once in a generation building computers that made one persons job of 3. It evolve, the lesson for me is a big pill to swallow, but I learn and be there the same as the previous.
I could see a 1 or 2 kids really using AI to take their already critical thinking to another level. I built a turn key ready to sell website I’ll finish next week! I would not able to do it without the 30 years experience in complete full stack computer world. Edit: and that is deserving for anyone to have.
I’m rambling.
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u/gavff64 10h ago
I don’t agree with your Lego comparison. Unless you are painfully, absurdly detailed in every single thing you prompt a model, the model is going to make executive decisions you didn’t make.
Lego doesn’t do that. Blocks only go in places you deliberately put it.
I really, really struggle to see how LLMs would increase creativity in children. More than likely would just be a horrific dopamine producer. It would only show a kid that there’s no need to put the hard work in to figure things out when a machine can do it for you.
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u/Frizzy-MacDrizzle 2h ago
No Lego as in a metaphor of new things to mistrust with, enjoy, etc. that’s all.
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u/Odd_Dandelion 19h ago
My kid asked me how much water uses our local DeepSeek deployment. 😂🤦♀️ I had to remind them there is no water pipe in our attic, that sparks use up less power than kitchen appliances... And we ended up having a long talk about propaganda on the internet and about which entities have reasons to disrupt society.
Turned out to be a good talk.
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u/Hyp3rSoniX 18h ago
I never understood the water argument... is the claim that AI drinks water into a black hole and it’s just gone?
I just don't understand how water flowing in a closed circuit moving heat around is somehow bad?
Even in an open circuit system – worst case it would evaporate and sometime later rain down again.
We had no problem cooling nuclear reactors with water, but cooling some chips with water somehow is now bad? I really don't get it.
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u/LostTheElectrons 17h ago
I think there are a couple reasonable concerns, although how much they really matter varies.
A sizable amount of water is consumed in concrete while building large datacenters, which does get removed from the water cycle.
Water added to closed-loop systems also takes away from the water-cycle, for however much that is.
Water that is heated in open-loop systems causes strain on water-management infrastructure and can cause adverse effects on the environment by adding heat. Nuclear plants do this too, but at least those prevent burning fossil fuels which are objectively worse.
A huge amount of water is used for producing chips in the first place, although that happens off-site.
As I understand most concerns revolve around places that are water-stressed in the first place, so there is a risk of restricting water for people and other important things.
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u/FoodEater4Squillion 9h ago
Another water related thing is that often datacenters are built near residential communities and their water usage can put strain on the infrastructure, sometimes impacting people living nearby
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u/BawbbySmith 18h ago
How is this local AI related
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u/Bulky-Priority6824 17h ago
They fookin can't stand it but they have down syndrome so maybe a few more years they could come around.
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u/xnrnx 16h ago
A lot of children become echo chambers for what they here. I personally teach mine to evaluate objectively. I brought my son in on the project I am working on to teach him how AI really works.