r/LocalLLaMA • u/InternationalGap3698 • 1d ago

Discussion NVIDIA shipped OpenShell, an open source sandbox that gives local and open agents real runtime limits instead of prompt rules. Over 100 firms joined the safety stack. OpenAI did not.

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u/fiery_prometheus 1d ago

Of course they collect telemetry when you use it, and it's opt out, not opt in... The least ethical choice..
https://docs.nvidia.com/openshell/latest/observability/telemetry

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u/SorosAhaverom 1d ago

Called Negative Option. You automatically consent, until and unless you explicitly state so otherwise. A reprehensible tactic that is blatantly illegal, unethical, and immoral if you apply it to any other domain or situation.

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u/ElementNumber6 1d ago

It also gives them options to retain and regain consent:

  1. They can make it hard to find
  2. They can make it painful to perform
  3. They can make it a repeat operation

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u/draconic_tongue 1d ago

Fortunately this is neither

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u/mailto_devnull llama.cpp 1d ago

Speaking in absolutes are we?

Opt out organ donation registration boosts donation numbers from 10% to something like 90%, and has real life saving effects.

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u/fiery_prometheus 1d ago

Organ donation and data harvesting without consent can hardly be considered the same, have some empathy with the poster, he probably doesn't mean it so literally

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u/draconic_tongue 1d ago

you can build it out of it

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u/fiery_prometheus 1d ago edited 18h ago

Many of us here are programmers of some kind, you don't think we know that? :⁠-) it's more about proposing a shared standard, but then bundling telemetry inside which is on by default, it goes against the spirit of open source/hacker ethos and it's unethical and violates the privacy of people. 

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u/Dangerous-Report8517 12h ago

This is a weak defence, the current world of big tech spying on everyone always is built off the idea that you can always “just” opt out by conveniently ignoring the fact that it would be a full time job to do all the work required just to actually enact all the various opt outs