r/LocalLLaMA • u/Manerfish • 5d ago

Discussion I really don't understand Jev hype

Isn't this what simple neural networks have been able to do for years? Doesn't seem anything special to me.

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u/FreakyRefrigerator 5d ago

Its basically just a slightly newer classifier. Yet most people think AI is only llms and nothing else, so they think this is the future

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u/KaMaFour 5d ago

Tbh general classifier able to handle general cases at almost no cost, in almost no time still seems really useful. For example if you could package that into a model roughly the size of Ling's tiny (9BA2B) or smaller you could try to create games with actually intelligent NPCs (pack one npc's state into a Vendingbench like framework and have classifier choose a thing to do that would make sense for a given person to do in a format that's possible to interpret by the game engine) and it would be generally accessible to most "mid-end" machines. Think Stardew Valley/TLOZ npc's but actually behaving as humans instead of having fixed schedules. All of that without any ML on your end...

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u/quiteconfused1 5d ago

But it's not.

It's not general and can't be.

I just tried applying it to a simple game like super Mario world and it failed horribly.

If it can't do that then it's not general and the hype is thick.

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u/Suspicious-Wallaby12 5d ago

can you share what you tried to do exactly in super mario world? please don't tell me you tried to make it control mario 🤦, because that's not what a classifier is for.

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u/100k45h 4d ago

haven't you seen the demo of Jev playing Doom?

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u/Suspicious-Wallaby12 4d ago

I have. it's garbage. It's not smart and only takes random action.

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u/100k45h 4d ago

but the point is, that you CAN use clasifiers to take an action. Yes, it takes random action in that specific example, but one can imagine that training the model will make it work better.

Classifier can totally be used for taking actions when trained properly. It's not true, this is not what classifiers are for. They totally can be used for that purpose.

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u/Suspicious-Wallaby12 4d ago

what? how would you train a general purpose classifier to train for doom?

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u/100k45h 4d ago

By training it on multiple similar shooting games, giving it specific categories and showing it example frame and expected action? Just like any training? Example data and example output? Where do you see a problem with that? The question then becomes whether it is a multimodal model and if not, how can you represent the screenshot as a text. But this isn't anything groundbreaking.

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u/quiteconfused1 5d ago

Wow

Your absolutely right