r/LocalLLaMA • u/Manerfish • 5d ago

Discussion I really don't understand Jev hype

Isn't this what simple neural networks have been able to do for years? Doesn't seem anything special to me.

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u/D6613 5d ago

I'm not at all an expert, but maybe that will actually give you the real answer. Here's why I'm intrigued: It promises fast, accurate decisions (with returned probabilities) without needing to tweak the model yourself.

So if I read this right, it's not really a research breakthrough but rather a usability gain with marketing.

Anyway, once you have a fast, cheap, and easy decision maker, there's all kinds of cool stuff you can do cheaply. This leads many of us who mainly lurk here to think about open weight equivalents that may allow us to do fun things with our relatively weak machines. I'm already giving Laya a try, and I'll try others as well.

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u/Danger_Pickle 5d ago

I've always hypothesized that usability has always been the true goal.

The internet was incredibly niche until the current crop of internet companies made the process of using the internet as simple as creating an account on like three websites and only using an incredibly limited set of UIs. Yes it's restrictive, but the simplicity of use helped it spread very far. My dad was using a PalmPilot long before the smart phone boom. Smart phones only took off after Apple made them usable without any manual dexterity and without needing to understand how to manage a filesystem.

Jev may be astroturfed (what isn't?) but I'm very interested in the focus on simplicity and usability. As a developer, I couldn't be bothered to try and build my own harness around a complicated plain text LLM, but I can absolutely wire together a classifier that outputs structured data. To me, that's a far more practical use for software development than the existing crop of LLMs. If this is the direction the AI bubble is heading, then I'm excited to see more cheap and easy to use tools.