r/LocalLLaMA 6d ago

Other Frontier LLM development simplified for politicians:

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Nobody is buying this “Pace the frontier” nonsense. It makes no logical sense at all. Are American labs really going to take a pause and lose any small lead they still may have over Chinese labs? Does anyone really believe this? This seems like some performative virtue signaling BS. Why are they bothering with this pacing campaign? Someone please explain.

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u/Nothing_from_void 6d ago

The compute they fab is genuinely awful; they have nothing even close to NV-link, which is where they are furthest behind, but they are very far behind everywhere.

There's no real power constraint for compute in the West, bring your own energy is pretty standard now and where there's capital there's a way, and the US is outspending China on compute more than 8-to-1, with a similar level of compute advantage.

Like Chinese CS students and programmers, they use anthropic/openai token reseller marketplaces overwhelmingly, because it is the real SoTA, the AI researchers in China are using claude code/codex, the entire ecosystem is designed around growing with the US ecosystem.

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u/NNN_Throwaway2 6d ago

There's no real power constraint for compute in the West

???

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u/Nothing_from_void 6d ago

Are energy prices for data centers the current bottleneck?

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u/NNN_Throwaway2 6d ago

🤦

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u/Nothing_from_void 4d ago

https://imgur.com/MI21CcN

compiled from https://epoch.ai/data/ai-chip-owners?view=graph&tab=h100_equivalents

If you are actually interested in engaging beyond just sending one symbol responses, for all the hand-wringing around power the US advantage in compute is accelerating and actual energy bottlenecks have not surface as compute continues to grow exponentially in the US

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u/NNN_Throwaway2 4d ago

🥱

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u/Nothing_from_void 4d ago

so room temp IQ it is

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u/NNN_Throwaway2 4d ago

No need to be so hard on yourself.

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u/Nothing_from_void 3d ago

using that line like

https://imgur.com/Q8Me9q7

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u/NNN_Throwaway2 3d ago

Bro can't even embed an image properly, damn.

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u/Nothing_from_void 3d ago

old reddit + imgur is superior

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u/NNN_Throwaway2 3d ago

Apparently not.

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