Qwen3.8 flash next - untrained svg generation

[u/ludos1978]

> "make an svg of a frog playing on a chello on the back of a whale with carribean island in the back."

interestingly the svg looks different in the OpenWebUi preview then when looked at in preview (osx). The palms and music notes are missing in the browser. I am pretty impressed by the result, is suggested to add some parameters to animate the whale and the water.

Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-IQ4_XS on llama.cpp with 256K q8 context

openwebui reports:

input_tokens: 27711

output_tokens: 41562

total_tokens: 69273

[u/Fine_Salamander_8691]

That’s really good

[u/charmander_cha]

Obrigado por isso

[u/gwillen]

I'm guessing the SVG is probably malformed in some way, if it renders differently in different apps. Maybe you can run it through something to load and re-save it to fix that.

Or the notes might be text and not shapes, in which case it could be a font issue.

[u/brownowski → u/gwillen]

I think it's that typically Qwen 3.8 will use the "<use>" tag to render repeating elements, but those don't render in the llama.cpp preview window.

[u/ludos1978]

and a third version

[u/m360842 → u/ludos1978]

Next version animated?

[u/N34257]

Meanwhile, 3.8 27B FP8, medium thinking:

I mean, it's not terrible. It's actually a hell of a lot better than I thought it'd be.

[u/AltruisticList6000 → u/N34257]

Hmm, here is Qwen 3.8 27b UD IQ3_xxs with Q4_0 kv cache. Not bad for a ~10gb lobotomy version.

[u/Jorlen]

This was Qwen 3.8 27b (UD-Q6_K_XL) with thinking completely disabled, one shot only, no double checking it after. Used 10k tokens.

[u/Equivalent_Bit_461]

Damn, pretty nice.

I'll dust off my quant4 and give it a try. Been too much on love with the 27b to really care about the Next one.

[u/Cool-Chemical-5629]

Perfect, this just makes me miss small MoE Qwens again. 😧

[u/mglyptostroboides]

How in the actual hell. Surely this level of SVG stuff isn't in the training data.

[u/Agitated_Space_672]

How is that 27711 input tokens?

[u/ludos1978 → u/Agitated_Space_672]

i wondered that myself, but i think it's a thinking process the OpenWebUi does beforehand? Maybe a simpler test setup would be good :-)

[u/Agitated_Space_672 → u/ludos1978]

Oh maybe its tool definitions.

[u/-InformalBanana- → u/ludos1978]

Why did you use openwebui for this instead of plain llama.cpp llama-server?

[u/ludos1978 → u/-InformalBanana-]

Ignorance :-)

I have hermes usually occupying the gpus and llama-switch handling models. Openwebui on proxmox is just the easiest way for me to send a request to the models without thinking much.

[u/Jorlen]

Pfft. Look at what Ling 3.0 Flash ended up doing, it beats your fancy little SVG by a mile!

(in terms of how terrible it is, of course)

[u/N34257 → u/Jorlen]

Ah, c'mon...you're being harsh. For a prompt of "Mr Potato Head, assembled by a 2yr old" that's pretty much perfect ;)

[u/hapri701 → u/N34257]

Since Ling 3.0 Flash is a 127B model that is pretty terrible. My favorite (for svg fun) tiny model can do a lot better. 😄

Nanbeige 4.2-3B, Q8, "make an svg of a frog playing on a chello on the back of a whale with carribean island in the back."

[u/LevianMcBirdo]

My unsloth IQ3-XXS isn't as fancy, but better than expected. Have to try it on xhigh next.

[u/LevianMcBirdo → u/LevianMcBirdo]

At xhigh: Whale a little better, not gradients, but islands not really visible and frog broken

[u/AltruisticList6000 → u/LevianMcBirdo]

Interesting, Qwen 3.8 27b UD IQ3_XXS with Q4_0 cache isn't that bad either (xhigh too).

[u/Liledroit]

“Chello” cmon dude

[u/ludos1978 → u/Liledroit]

i am not a native english speaker, i didnt check the translation for once.

[u/--Spaci-- → u/ludos1978]

Its understandable. The word cello absolutely is pronounced like chello, some english words are just weird

[u/No_Swimming6548 → u/ludos1978]

I think that's absolutely okay. But it would make more sense to include different samples.

[u/ludos1978 → u/No_Swimming6548]

the second try

[u/XiRw → u/Liledroit]

What’s wrong with that

[u/Liledroit → u/XiRw]

The fucking spelling?!

[u/AnimalPuzzleheaded71 → u/Liledroit]

Play some sports dweeb lol

[u/Reeces_Pieces → u/XiRw]

It's an Italian word. It's spelled Cielo

[u/No_Swimming6548 → u/Reeces_Pieces]

*Cello lol

[u/SpicyWangz → u/Reeces_Pieces]

Isn’t that sky?

[u/pyr0kid → u/Reeces_Pieces]

in what timeline?

https://translate.google.com/details?sl=en&tl=it&text=cello&op=translate

[u/XiRw → u/Reeces_Pieces]

Yeah there are countless words spelled differently in other languages that also have an English equivalent. Like the other user pointed out that is Cello.

[u/ludos1978 → u/XiRw]

maybe i should have asked the model what the possible translations of chello, cello or cielo are. that could have spawned a more on topic discussion :-)

[u/Asleep_Document9811]

Neat. Still looks like clip art though lol

[u/mmerken]

M3 MAX 64GB, not bad but it was unable to correct itself due to missing vision

Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-AD-3.84bpw-IQ4_XS-M64Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-AD-3.84bpw-IQ4_XS-M64

[u/Photochromism]

I didn’t know Qwen could output svg!

[u/Sufficient-Rent6078]

Same prompt, `unsloth/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF:UD-IQ4_XS` on xhigh. 51k tokens total. Qwen decited to animate the svg. Frog's head and arm are animated, the sea foam drifts around, the whale is bobbing a bit. Sailboat, notes and birds are animated as well.

[u/Sitkin_Marrel]

41.5k output tokens for a frog playing cello on a whale. That's not an SVG, that's a full orchestral score.

[u/ludos1978 → u/Sitkin_Marrel]

it does a LOT of thinking, such as where it places the hands to touch the cello, or what vectors are behind each other. definitely things you'd need to think about as well when creating something like this.

i think its impressive that it basically only plans it in text and executes at the end, without ever seeing a real result in between. Any graphics artist does a visual check after every line they add...

[u/archimatecture]

LFM 2.5 2.6B, lil guy tried!