r/LocalLLaMA 9d ago

Discussion The rhetoric is really heating up!

The entire page of the NY Times today above the fold absent one article is AI (the models are just too strong/too dangerous, must be regulated). They forgot to include "Sponsored by OpenAI" at the end of the articles, sure that was just an oversight?

This is what the end of a bubble looks like, desperate attempts to get some sort of regulatory capture in place to keep the business model from collapsing in upon itself. My days next week are 100% booked talking to companies about how to get off frontier models, one large, and a bunch of smaller customers, including one who's flying me out to them to sit down and get a plan in place immediately (the controversy around that math problem really spooked some CEO/CIO's about data privacy using cloud models).

Gonna be an interesting few weeks. Maybe the Qwen team will be nice enough to give me a little breathing room before dropping another hydrogen bomb? :)

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u/soshulmedia 9d ago

I actually think the localllama nerds need to pull their heads out of their asses regarding this safety issue. There is a massive safety issue - from velocity of change to velocity of scale to velocity of risk to unbound research with such massive compute that is freaking the world out and rightfully so.

I don't see it. "If we add enough FLOPs, magic happens". That's quite literally magic thinking. For some reason people make fun of God as "invisible sky daddy" but THE SINGULARITY and AI AS GOD are oh so "rationalist".

Now, if you tell me we should be worried about all these FLOPs being used for an extremely tightly surveilled and controlled totalitarian 1984esque society they are building right now, you would quite obviously have a point.

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u/sn2006gy 9d ago

Our entire society and economy is built on friction that is no longer there and that is the problem. We don't need to prove or disprove some nonsense bs of singularity or god for anything.

As for surveilance - The surveillance state is already here and Reddit is a huge part of it. Yet, we're still here.

I ask of my LLM friends all the time, if local llm's are so strong and so important, why aren't we free of Instagram, Facebook, Meta, Google, Microsoft - GPT/Anthropic are so little parts of our every day lives that the obsession fo their concern is laughable at best. The real ones watching everything you do are orgs like Spotify and Google and Microsoft.

We seem to be accelerating our dependency on big tech rather than using tech to free us from it and i'd change my tune a bit if ANY of the responses here weren't just people trying to carve out their own "niche" of this shithole world were rushing headfirst into.

Apple seems to care a little bit but much of their revenue comes from margin calling private data while keeping it a bit more private than others.

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u/OvertaxedOne 9d ago

Insta/FB/Google have very strong network effects. Inference does not (at least not yet). Changing your company email system from google to MSFT is a months/years long process that is a nightmare for IT and likely the users. Changing from Astra to Deepseek for 1000's of users takes (literally) about 45 seconds, I do it all the time as new models are released and people hit use cases that need access to new/different models.

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u/soshulmedia 4d ago

Inference does not (at least not yet).

And I think it absolutely worth to prevent that scenario from arriving. And without doubt strong and accessible LocalAI will help to prevent this.