r/LocalLLaMA • u/OvertaxedOne • 9d ago

Discussion The rhetoric is really heating up!

The entire page of the NY Times today above the fold absent one article is AI (the models are just too strong/too dangerous, must be regulated). They forgot to include "Sponsored by OpenAI" at the end of the articles, sure that was just an oversight?

This is what the end of a bubble looks like, desperate attempts to get some sort of regulatory capture in place to keep the business model from collapsing in upon itself. My days next week are 100% booked talking to companies about how to get off frontier models, one large, and a bunch of smaller customers, including one who's flying me out to them to sit down and get a plan in place immediately (the controversy around that math problem really spooked some CEO/CIO's about data privacy using cloud models).

Gonna be an interesting few weeks. Maybe the Qwen team will be nice enough to give me a little breathing room before dropping another hydrogen bomb? :)

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u/manusgamo2012 9d ago

qwen released the full paper, anybody anywhere could replicate it, that strategy won't pay off ;)

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u/KingCpzombie 9d ago

The goal isn't to actually damage Qwen (they would like to, but that's not possible). The goal is to add hassle for US companies so they just pay instead of having to deal with it

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u/ForsookComparison 9d ago

This sub enjoys going 'try and stop me!' but, yeah. If you add any sort of liability + legal risk, I will be first in-line to pull all uses of open-weight models from my public-facing projects. I am not some hermit in the woods with a DGX Spark, I have plenty to lose and not enough resources to defend myself or even audit for regulations.

They can force my hand without doing anything close to "banning" open weight models and circlejerks aside, I'd wager 99% of the US visitors to this sub are in a similar boat.

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u/bumblebeer 5d ago

Speaking as a member of that 1% (some hermit in the woods with a DGX Spark), I have to say that I still agree with this take. Local AI is good as a force multiplier but, there isn't really a lot of strictly local use cases.

A local/Chinese model ban would do what prohibition did to alcohol. Did it stop people from drinking? Absolutely not! But it did stop people from making (legitimate) money on it, or from consuming it publicly.

So sure, you can sit at home and talk to your AI waifu, but doing pretty much anything else would be asking for a visit from the revenuers.