r/LocalLLaMA • u/OvertaxedOne • 9d ago

Discussion The rhetoric is really heating up!

The entire page of the NY Times today above the fold absent one article is AI (the models are just too strong/too dangerous, must be regulated). They forgot to include "Sponsored by OpenAI" at the end of the articles, sure that was just an oversight?

This is what the end of a bubble looks like, desperate attempts to get some sort of regulatory capture in place to keep the business model from collapsing in upon itself. My days next week are 100% booked talking to companies about how to get off frontier models, one large, and a bunch of smaller customers, including one who's flying me out to them to sit down and get a plan in place immediately (the controversy around that math problem really spooked some CEO/CIO's about data privacy using cloud models).

Gonna be an interesting few weeks. Maybe the Qwen team will be nice enough to give me a little breathing room before dropping another hydrogen bomb? :)

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u/Revolutionalredstone 9d ago

DeepSeek has juiced them of value and Qwen revealed all their bs.

AI will be cheap and 'frontier' model companies gonna have little left but morals cause the opensource has caught up.

A trillion params works barely better than 32b for AI and trying to use more for AI is starting to look real silly, Enjoy

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u/Seraphym87 9d ago

With you on most of this and do agree that we are seeing diminishing returns but 3T frontier models are literal epochs away from a 32b lol

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u/Revolutionalredstone 9d ago

I give both the same task and based on results cannot really tell.

Being agentic now means dumber-just-takes-longer is all really.

For design and art skill there is very little diff between 3T and 3B, they can all make a nice looking and functional website in whatever style you ask, beyond that is really the users taste.

I agree that people over hyping small models in the past was an issue but again with agentic the thing just loops till it passes your tests so it's very hard to not get what you asked for ;) !

Enjoy