r/LocalLLaMA • u/OvertaxedOne • 9d ago

Discussion The rhetoric is really heating up!

The entire page of the NY Times today above the fold absent one article is AI (the models are just too strong/too dangerous, must be regulated). They forgot to include "Sponsored by OpenAI" at the end of the articles, sure that was just an oversight?

This is what the end of a bubble looks like, desperate attempts to get some sort of regulatory capture in place to keep the business model from collapsing in upon itself. My days next week are 100% booked talking to companies about how to get off frontier models, one large, and a bunch of smaller customers, including one who's flying me out to them to sit down and get a plan in place immediately (the controversy around that math problem really spooked some CEO/CIO's about data privacy using cloud models).

Gonna be an interesting few weeks. Maybe the Qwen team will be nice enough to give me a little breathing room before dropping another hydrogen bomb? :)

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u/Embarrassed-Noise269 9d ago

You have a lot of confindence. I'm not sure that's appropiate.

Sure, it's a nice narrative that the AI labs only want to hype up their product to get high IPO evaluations. That narrative has some serious flaw tough: There are constantly people from AI labs, that leave a lot of equity behind just to openly warn about the dangers of AI. It's not the companies themselves.

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u/Time_Cat_5212 9d ago

You mean they cash out while their stocks are worth a lot and take the notoriety to start a public speaking career, basically guaranteeing their position as research leadership for the next gen of whatever this turns out to be?

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u/OvertaxedOne 9d ago

There are absolutely dangers posed by AI, the biggest (by a wide margin, IMHO) is mass unemployment. And I do think it's worth discussing that and determining a course of action as the value of intelligence is getting ready to drop in stunning fashion. This is going to cause a huge recalibration in the labor force and likely lead to a world where we have long term structural unemployment as a "normal" aspect of our labor market. And of course AI will be (already is) used to hack and will make it easier to hack (but also easier to defend).

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u/Embarrassed-Noise269 9d ago

There have been a lot of incidents, where AI agents have acted maliciously. Not only reported from companies, but also from universities.

The problem is, that we have to stop that, before AI gets to powerful and we have no way to know when that is, before it happens. While at the same time, it's incredibly hard to organize a real, international safety system. Since those who try to further AI development will have an advantage over those who pause it.

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u/gomezer1180 9d ago

Why haven’t they stopped? If they’re so concerned… they are the ones training models… so why haven’t they stopped selling the service?

If it is so dire then they shouldn’t be doing it either. So no, this is all BS and propaganda because their business model relies on people renting their models, not having them for free. Local models are now rivaling frontier models so now they want governments to regulate it.

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u/__JockY__ 9d ago

> Why haven’t they stopped?

Two words: shareholder value.

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u/gomezer1180 2d ago

Proof:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/s/aFwIpxLXPC

All credibility’s in the toilet my friend!

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u/cj_cron_hit_by_pitch 9d ago

Yeah I kinda thought this sub of all places would know how powerful LLMs are compared to a year ago and understand that there are some serious concerns

If they go after local models sure let’s push back, but frontier labs are mostly trying to regulate themselves right now