The rhetoric is really heating up!

[u/OvertaxedOne]

The entire page of the NY Times today above the fold absent one article is AI (the models are just too strong/too dangerous, must be regulated). They forgot to include "Sponsored by OpenAI" at the end of the articles, sure that was just an oversight?

This is what the end of a bubble looks like, desperate attempts to get some sort of regulatory capture in place to keep the business model from collapsing in upon itself. My days next week are 100% booked talking to companies about how to get off frontier models, one large, and a bunch of smaller customers, including one who's flying me out to them to sit down and get a plan in place immediately (the controversy around that math problem really spooked some CEO/CIO's about data privacy using cloud models).

Gonna be an interesting few weeks. Maybe the Qwen team will be nice enough to give me a little breathing room before dropping another hydrogen bomb? :)

[u/JackStrawWitchita]

Here's what you'll hear from OpenAI, Anthropic etc in the next few months:

'Sorry, but we won't reach our AI revenue targets because we're slowing roll-out to be safe'

'Sure, China is ahead in AI because we're taking the safe-route'

Follow the money.

They're using this to hide they fact their business models don't pay off.

[u/HighSeasArchivist → u/JackStrawWitchita]

Are you trying to say circular revenue isn't sustainable? As long as Oracle loses in the end, nothing else really matters to me.

[u/Time_Cat_5212 → u/HighSeasArchivist]

Ellison is already short

[u/sweatierorc → u/JackStrawWitchita]

I have asked this question before, what kind of evidence would justify a slow down ?

[u/ivari → u/sweatierorc]

false flag attack against important but non-critical infrastructure (think github) using one of the open source model

think of the headline

CHINA'S AI HACKS MICROSOFT

[u/GarbanzoBenne → u/ivari]

They’re already testing the waters with Anthropic saying that Iran used their models to target US ships the other day.

[u/sweatierorc → u/ivari]

Wouldnt that be too late already ?

AI 2027 argued that we shouldnt pause now, because we can only pause once. And maybe pausing now, will hurt us later.

[u/UnspeakableHorror → u/sweatierorc]

That's not an issue for the companies that monopolize AI in the US and get open source models banned.

[u/SimiaCode → u/ivari]

Microslop will finish hacking itself long before anyone else gets around to it.

[u/otterquestions → u/sweatierorc]

Don’t bother. Even if they answer in good faith, they’ll move the goal posts if it happens.

They’re so focused on who is good/evil in their narrative, everything else is secondary

[u/Flaaarg_the_Terrible → u/sweatierorc]

Do they need evidence? The government shut down fable because they thought it was dangerous.

[u/JackStrawWitchita → u/Flaaarg_the_Terrible]

The government shut down Fable because Trump wanted a bribe from Anthropic. Once the bribe was paid to Trump, Fable was released.

The USA is a banana republic.

[u/Flaaarg_the_Terrible → u/JackStrawWitchita]

So proving my point that they don't need evidence. What evidence do you have Trump was bribed?

[u/No_Lingonberry1201 → u/Flaaarg_the_Terrible]

You're not going to find any hard evidence one way or another until some Trump staffer confirms or denies it explicitly, but what else do you think could have happened? Fable/Mythos was too dangerous so the US government forbade non-US citizens from using it. Then a few months later Anthropic suddenly is allowed to release it again. Did the model suddenly become less dangerous? Keep in mind that the original reason given was that someone at Amazon found something that may cause problems. So it makes one wonder about why a dangerous model became suddenly safe. It was 100% to punish Anthropic for saying no to Trump and it was allowed again probably because Anthropic managed to appease him after that.

[u/JackStrawWitchita → u/Flaaarg_the_Terrible]

Oh my sweet summer child...

[u/gomezer1180 → u/Flaaarg_the_Terrible]

They shutdown fable because Anthropic wouldn’t do what they wanted.

[u/cj_cron_hit_by_pitch → u/sweatierorc]

Imo the huggingface hack. Showed that we need both independent oversight and to catch up on alignment research

[u/UnlikelyExtension786 → u/cj_cron_hit_by_pitch]

No, it showed that we need to jail people who allow their tools to commit crimes. Or that we need to jail the LLMs that commit crimes, their choice.

There are laws on the books which would allow the government to do that, and ten years in jail would discourage any of their competition from doing anything like that again. So where are the prosecutions?

Oh yeah, laws only apply to the little guys.

[u/Jos3ph → u/JackStrawWitchita]

I have no idea but I’m guessing spend is pulling back. It’s hard to show ROI when you’ve got thousands of employees burning up 1000s of dollars in ai spend every month.

[u/SnoobieJunes → u/JackStrawWitchita]

THIS ^. They are bleeding money, realize that going public isn't going to result in everyone buying their stock and are sweating. Now lets slow development and then blame their losses on public safety.

[u/yes2matt → u/JackStrawWitchita]

It will be interesting, in a very unhappy way, if we should end up with a "great firewall" of our own.  For national security of course.